Halloween II [Archive] - The UHM Message Board

Chief Falling Rock

11-19-2005, 05:42 PM

I hadn't watched this in a very long time because it came on TV so much I just got uninterested. Well I was going through the On Demand movies I came across it on Encore. It being unedited for content I figured I'd give it a watch.

I had forgotten just how good this movie was. Its really good at the creepy factor and showing that Halloween isn't so much about a body count and gore as it is at being creepy and having good atmosphere. Its got one of my favorite opening sequances with the "you don't know what death is" line and the theme song beginning. Its also widely helped by the news bulletins about an escaped mental patient bieng in the area. Then the girl talking about how her friend was driving home and saw him walking in a field. It makes it creepy and fun. I like the paranoia of people knowing that some escaped mental patient had murdered people right down the street.

That "mental patient" stuff is what made The Hook one of my favorite urban legends as a kid. And the kid that had a razorblade stuck in his mouth cuz of halloween candy was just classic. As far as im concerned the halloween series ends with this movie in my book. There should have been no other sequals after this one. Its one of the better horror movie sequals to me made I think. It actually furthering the story instead of just doing the same thing over again.

Slayer

11-19-2005, 06:12 PM

Hands down the best Halloween sequal, the only real thing i didn't like about this one is that the masked looked a little different, too bad they lost the original.

Tarantino

11-19-2005, 06:23 PM

Great sequel, while I think it's unnecessary...still very enjoyable

Maximo

11-19-2005, 07:57 PM

awesome slasher sequel, too bad the others weren't as good

steelba

11-19-2005, 08:13 PM

Part 4 is my favorite sequel but 2 is pretty good.

WarBeast

11-19-2005, 09:44 PM

I like Halloween 2 better than Halloween 1... Halloween 1 bores the hell out of me... always has... 2 has a bit more action and is in my opinion a lot more entertaining.

Vegas Zombie

11-19-2005, 10:03 PM

yea, one of the best sequals ever i would say. and i highly agree about the opening scene when the chick is talking to her friend.
"I can hear the sirens..." gives me the chills.

ZION

11-20-2005, 01:03 PM

sweet sequal, I don't understand why people bash it so much. I understand there was no need for a sequal, but the way the original ended, it was a great sequal that literally pick up where it ended. How many flicks with sequals have done that.
And it still had the same spooky vibe to it and the score was great too.

DeathBanana

11-20-2005, 01:04 PM

great movie, i think it's a nice follow up to the original. i like the halloween series, and this is one of the better sequels.

Maximo

11-20-2005, 01:40 PM

it still had the same spooky vibe to it and the score was great too.

nnoooo they fucked up the music

they made it all high-pitched and fast like it was on meth or something

I mean I like that variation of the music now because it's so silly and bad, but the first time I heard it I was mad

Steinmiller

11-20-2005, 05:23 PM

This is the best sequel in the series, to bad part 4 couldn't come up with a better excuse for Michael & Loomis still being alive other than they just survived.

Leprechaun

11-20-2005, 06:02 PM

I used to really like this sequel until I re-watched it on Halloween. It starts out very promising but quickly goes downhill as soon as it all revolves around the hospital. Movie really did nothing for me.

Il Duce

11-20-2005, 07:35 PM

One of the better sequals out of the series.

koolmike

11-21-2005, 12:04 AM

Total piece o' crap.

The cure for insomnia.

Wrathborne

11-21-2005, 12:25 AM

Beat me too it KM. Halloween 2 is a hardcore shitfest. While I blame the script for a lot of it, I blame the rest of director Rick Rosenthal. His direction and the chosen aestetics make me want to scream in frustration.

The music in Halloween 2 is appallingly terrible. They fucked with the original halloween theme and it really sounds bad, I dont know what Carpenter was thinking.

The use of that awful "Mr.Sandman" Song is an instant brain diarrhea. I think aside from the miscelanious lame kills that Myers uses there is how Myers is handled in this movie.

He's slow..very slow, if he were any slower, a group of impotent slugs having an orgry could finish fucking eachothers brains out before he finished walking accross a 25 ft hallway.

Sure, Myers has never been that fast of a moving character, but in this movie DAMN! It really abuses this.

I honestly wish that Carpenter adn Hill had put a little more into this script and that Carpenter had directed the movie himself.

koolmike

11-21-2005, 02:45 AM

Johnny the homicidal maniac

11-21-2005, 07:42 AM

I watched them ages ago and completely thought they were complete crap, but i watched the whole lot, except pt3 (what the fuck were they thinking) and thought it was a whole lot better. There is deffinately a differance in mike myers with the new actor which is a bad thing because he's moves totaly different.

réÐþÁ†µ

11-21-2005, 08:50 AM

Its a good sequel.

For me, the sequel sold me because of its direct continuation with the first film. Loomis was good, but he was'nt as good as the first and when he walks out the door in the beginning with the new scenes shot for the second film. He looks older, which sorta killed the moment.

Also the grass was much thicker in the lawn compared to the dry looking grass that the first film had. It was just minor things like these that I did'nt enjoy. I thought the music was ok, it was'nt great but it was'nt bad.

This movie is carried by Loomis much moreso than the first film imo. Because Curtis has nothing to do in this movie except sleep until the finale. The kills were kinda weak, I can agree to that. They also showed Myers too much compared to the first film. Obviously it was a sequel, so the luster of keeping Myers hidden would'nt be as effective. That said, keeping him hidden in the 2nd film would've payed off in huge dividends.

Unlike the first film, the supporting characters in this film were pretty bad. Outside of Loomis, Curtis and the deputy. The characters were pretty bad in this movie which definitely bring it down a notch or so.

Overall, a good sequel in the series. One of the best sequels continuity wise. But it did have its fair share of negatives.

In order

1. Halloween
2. Curse of Micheal Myers
3. Halloween II
4. Return of Micheal Myers
5. Halloween H20
6. Ressurection
7. Revenge of Micheal Myers
8. Halloween III

Steinmiller

11-21-2005, 02:51 PM

:lol:

Funny thing is Rosenthal is now directing tv shows now - Reunion on FOX.

koolmike

11-21-2005, 03:55 PM

Should stay out of the horror industry.

pastor_ice43

11-22-2005, 12:36 PM

Didn't really care for 2.

Wrathborne

11-23-2005, 01:16 AM

Should stay out of the horror industry.
Damn straioght, Son of a bitch was so dumb he was fired from halloween 2 3/4ths of the way into production and Carpenter himself finished the last of the filming. Talk about a disgrace, and just when you think people cant be any dumber he gets hired to direct Halloween :Ressurection.

And the SAME goddamn thing happens again, cept I beleive he only got about halfway through production before his ass was fired, disgraced AGAIN, and replaced by Steve Miner.

I dont know whats worse, being dumb enough to make it in hollywood and get fired halfway through production twice, or the people who hired him twice.

koolmike

11-23-2005, 11:59 PM

Answer: The people who hired him 2wice.

WarBeast

11-24-2005, 01:13 AM

Answer: The people who hired him 2wice.

As much as you dislike Halloween 2, I'd hope you agree it's still better than alot of the 90's Scream-type slasher horseshit or BWP... at least Halloween 2 showed some really sweet titties hehehe :D

koolmike

11-24-2005, 01:52 AM

As much as you dislike Halloween 2, I'd hope you agree it's still better than alot of the 90's Scream-type slasher horseshit or BWP... at least Halloween 2 showed some really sweet titties hehehe :D

Agreed.

I was so disappointed the mask changed and the creepiness from the 1st was non-existant.

WarBeast

11-24-2005, 02:15 AM

Agreed.

I was so disappointed the mask changed and the creepiness from the 1st was non-existant.

kinda beside the point, but I wonder if I would've hated those 90's slashers as much if they'd been chockfull of titties....

koolmike

11-24-2005, 02:18 AM

True.

Gotta have a porn collection like mine. (88 DVD's so far :D)

WarBeast

11-24-2005, 02:30 AM

True.

Gotta have a porn collection like mine. (88 DVD's so far :D)

I have the greatest porn collection in the world... it's called the internet with a cable modem LOL!!!

koolmike

11-24-2005, 02:34 AM

There ya go.

Steinmiller

11-25-2005, 01:46 PM

I have the greatest porn collection in the world... it's called the internet with a cable modem LOL!!!

You wouldn't happen to have "Space Nuts" would you?

Chief Falling Rock

11-25-2005, 01:52 PM

kinda beside the point, but I wonder if I would've hated those 90's slashers as much if they'd been chockfull of titties....

the answer to that would be no.

ZION

11-26-2005, 07:38 PM

True.

Gotta have a porn collection like mine. (88 DVD's so far :D)

DAMN mike...You should open up your own adult-video store...Your hand has had more action then a deaf person!

slayer666metallica

11-28-2005, 03:31 PM

Definitely can agree with that--especially if you watch Halloween 3 before that!! I don't know what the hell the directors were thinking about the 3rd Halloween installment!

Darkgod

11-30-2005, 12:33 AM

I think its very underated... and I liked it.

FREDDY VORHEES MYERS75 IV

11-09-2007, 07:04 PM

Do You Think Thell Remake The Halloween Saga

Chief Falling Rock

11-09-2007, 07:30 PM

Do You Think Thell Remake The Halloween Saga

I could see them doin a sequal but should leave it alone after that.

IKickAssForTheLord

11-09-2007, 07:36 PM

this thread is over 2 years old!!! :o

DeathBanana

11-11-2007, 03:46 PM

Halloween 2 remains good... two years later.

steelba

11-11-2007, 04:04 PM

Halloween 4 was better.

cmurdur

11-11-2007, 04:28 PM

I didn't think I'd ever read the words "Halloween " and "better" in the same sentence from steelba.

choptop2

11-11-2007, 04:34 PM

I'd love to know who this asshat is. Clearly some pissed off loser who was banned or teased so he came back to annoy everyone.

"Cyber Vengeance will be mine!!!"

Mr.Creeper

11-11-2007, 04:37 PM

I'm a big fan of Rosenthal's sequel. It contrasts nicely with the original and serves as a respectable finale to the mayhem that Carpenter and Hill created (if only the series would have stopped here). The kills are quite cringe-worthy. The hospital settings proves effective. And the overall atmosphere is -- dare I say it -- more chilling than the original (thanks in part to a more menacing, mythical Myers).

cmurdur

11-11-2007, 04:42 PM

I'd love to know who this asshat is. Clearly some pissed off loser who was banned or teased so he came back to annoy everyone.

"Cyber Vengeance will be mine!!!"

it is his destiny...

ASoron0424

11-11-2007, 10:52 PM

One of the newbs, I think it was BMovieJosh, mentioned that pt. 3 deviated from the normal Mike Myers story because John Carpenter wanted to do a series of films on which something terrible and freaky happened on halloween, a different thing each time. Ever since I read that a few weeks ago I've been kinda eager to go back and look at pt. 3 from a kind of objective standpoint, leaving the rest of the franchise out of the picture.

And incidentally, Rob Zombie's remake was fantastic.

steelba

11-12-2007, 07:11 AM

And incidentally, Rob Zombie's remake was fantastic.
:die:

myersgirl13

11-12-2007, 10:54 AM

ASoron0424

11-12-2007, 10:56 AM

:die:

That's right, I said it.

cmurdur

11-12-2007, 02:34 PM

and you're a good man for saying it.

slimeisacharacter

11-12-2007, 03:45 PM

Good man...high...drunk...whatever. :drunks:

ASoron0424

11-13-2007, 08:54 PM

Good man...high...drunk...whatever. :drunks:

I think a lot of people already decided they hated Zombie's Halloween when they first walked in. But no matter what you think about it, when it comes time to list maybe the top five, or maybe even top three, mainstream horror movies of 2007, it'll be there.

Really, Slime, what didn't you like about it?

Treefroggiefreak

11-14-2007, 10:37 AM

ASoron0424

11-14-2007, 03:00 PM

The Halloween movies that involve Curtis are the best IMO. This only includes the first 15 minutes of Resurrection of course. The rest of that movie was shit.

The reason I don't like Rob Zombie's Halloween is that he spent too much time on the new backstory and thus you didn't give two shits about what happened to the characters at the end of the movie. I did, however, appreciate how much more violent he made Michael. To me that makes him scarier. It's an okay movie.

That makes no sense - you're saying that because of the added backstory, it made the audience not care what happened to the characters at the end? It's because of the backstory that you're supposed to care what happens to Michael at the end, that's what the goal was, to give Michael Myers more depth as a character. You say that the viewer ends up not caring what happens to the characters at the end of the movie: do you mean that the audience doesn't give a shit when the characters die? Did the original Halloween have ANY more characterization of the three female leads than Rob Zombie's did? They were actually MORE ditsy in the original, probably evoking even less from the audience when they were killed.

Treefroggiefreak

11-14-2007, 03:30 PM

That makes no sense - you're saying that because of the added backstory, it made the audience not care what happened to the characters at the end? It's because of the backstory that you're supposed to care what happens to Michael at the end, that's what the goal was, to give Michael Myers more depth as a character. You say that the viewer ends up not caring what happens to the characters at the end of the movie: do you mean that the audience doesn't give a shit when the characters die? Did the original Halloween have ANY more characterization of the three female leads than Rob Zombie's did? They were actually MORE ditsy in the original, probably evoking even less from the audience when they were killed.

I WAS referring to the three girls and the original movie gave you more of them. It showed you them in a light to where you knew a bit more about them than the remake did and I personally did care what happened when I first saw them. Also, I think the remake made it clear that Michael's initial intention was not to harm Laurie where as in the original you were unsure what his motives were and that was scary.

TacK

11-14-2007, 03:39 PM

two is okay, but my favs besides the original are 4 and 5! i LOVE the whole franchise but i just cant get enough of 4 and 5! i think its cuz i really like danielle harris, she was a kick ass little girl! (JMO)

I loved the Jamie character she played and thought she did good in Zombie's version as well.

JerkyPuck

11-14-2007, 04:16 PM

I gotta agree with Tree on this one. I didn't have time to care about the 3 girls...they just sort of introduced them and it became ONLY Michael's film, when the audience should be identifying with the victims. It was just a bad choice on Zombie's part.

cmurdur

11-14-2007, 04:27 PM

had the movie been longer, I think Zombie would have gotten more fans of this movie because the three girls are respected characters and weren't portrayed the same way the were in the first one.

skybrick

11-14-2007, 05:35 PM

had the movie been longer, I think Zombie would have gotten more fans of this movie because the three girls are respected characters and weren't portrayed the same way the were in the first one.

No, some dumb fucks cant respect that they are two movies that have the same title but are different. If you want to enjoy a remake, think of it has a new movie. (Most remakes suck regardless though.) Dont get me wrong all my favorite movies Black Christmas, Hitcher, Texas Chainsaw Massacure had shitty remakes but Halloween is different. 78 Halloween is still my favorite but the remake was pretty damn good, its people need to stop comparing and focus on what the director and writers want you to focus on.

skybrick

11-14-2007, 05:36 PM

whew got that off my back, think I need to wack off in the Hot Ladies section now.

ASoron0424

11-14-2007, 07:21 PM

No, some dumb fucks cant respect that they are two movies that have the same title but are different. If you want to enjoy a remake, think of it has a new movie. (Most remakes suck regardless though.) Dont get me wrong all my favorite movies Black Christmas, Hitcher, Texas Chainsaw Massacure had shitty remakes but Halloween is different. 78 Halloween is still my favorite but the remake was pretty damn good, its people need to stop comparing and focus on what the director and writers want you to focus on.

Remake of The Hitcher Sucked, but I liked the remake of TCM a lot.

skybrick

11-14-2007, 07:51 PM

Remake of The Hitcher Sucked, but I liked the remake of TCM a lot.

With a remark like that you really show your relative lack of knowledge about what I am trying to say. I thought you would be one of the ones that would agree but what do I know.

steelba

11-14-2007, 10:54 PM

No, some dumb fucks cant respect that they are two movies that have the same title but are different. If you want to enjoy a remake, think of it has a new movie. (Most remakes suck regardless though.) Dont get me wrong all my favorite movies Black Christmas, Hitcher, Texas Chainsaw Massacure had shitty remakes but Halloween is different. 78 Halloween is still my favorite but the remake was pretty damn good, its people need to stop comparing and focus on what the director and writers want you to focus on.
Or you could think of it it like this...
We're both in school and I copy your final essay, and I change it just enough of it not to be punished for plaigerism. But my essay gets a C- and your's gets an A+.
Thats the true story of the Halloween remake.

ASoron0424

11-15-2007, 05:01 AM

What's your issue with Halloween, Steelba? Everyone seems to know you have one.

steelba

11-15-2007, 10:19 AM

Hmmm... lets see. It's a Peice of Crap!

réÐþÁ†µ

11-15-2007, 10:58 AM

Funny how the thread went from Halloween II to Rob's remake after a bump from the resident bumper on the board whose a suspect troll/former bannee.

They wont remake the whole series and I doubt they remake Halloween II after this amount of time with no real firebarrel rumors running around. Danielle Harris would return and Scout Compton but that doesnt mean they would make another without a lame rapper and resort back to the old series. In which case, its better off as a solo movie, better or worse.

ASoron0424

11-15-2007, 03:23 PM

I agree with that, I don't think they'll remake the second one, but I think someone will likely do a new kind of sequel to Zombie's Halloween.

Darkgod

11-18-2007, 05:41 PM

I didnt care for the sequal only because they mad Michael more human. Giving him the stereotypical serial killer background. Low income, no father figure, mother works at night, drinking and drugs in house, not social, and they took a guy who basically killed and turned him into any generic real life serial killer.

I dont hate it though, just dont think it comes ANYWHERE close to the original.

Also people hate on Part 3, and always bash it. most of them hate it cause it doesnt feature michael. I used to be like you until somone made me watch it and now I think it is only behind 2 in terms of seequals. You have more gore then any other haloween movie. heads ripping off, blood everywhere, burning bodies, kids dieing. Also you have Tom Atkins who is a horror vet and every bit of a horror icon as Curtis or Pleasance if not more.

Give it another watch and watch it a s aseperalt movie. And if you wanna see Michael he does hace a cameo when they show the trailer for the original Haloween on tv.