General Wrestling Discussion (WWE,TNA,NJPW,etc)

[Aurone]

Batista should turn Heel and screw HHH over. He hasn't been a full fledged villian since the late days of Evolution. I could also see Batista and HHH fueding where HHH has to face the fact that Batista has never lost to him, which he hasn't, HHH has lost at WM, Backlash and at Vengence in the HitC to Big Dave.

Orton meanwhile could get a title run and possibly build Legacy more with another Second Generation superstar, like British Bulldog's son who isn't doing anything the company right now, maby his cousin, Natalie Niedhart as well. Legacy could grow into new Evolution and 4 Horseman in a sense.

[LordofDarkness]

Yeah, I'm thinkin Batista will turn Heel as well. I think he's better as a heel.

[Darkgod]

IM a huge Orton fan, and this looks like the rock all over again. I don't think orton would go the way of Austin, but I see a forced face turn ala The Rock.

[koolmike]

Wrestling sux.

[Darkgod]

Yeah we know... you've told us a lot.

[Wally The Cannibal]

That HHH vs Orton main event at WM25 was the most formulaic and boring main event I have seen in ages.

[darkoverlord]

The supplemental Draft is officially today unlike this past Monday where the loss of the Tag Team of Miz and Morrison was coming Now we have the loss of Tag Teams such as the Unified Tag Champs also got shuffled in the draft.:die: except now it is now no more Hawkins and Ryder

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/102094/411%5C%5Cs-LIVE-WWE-Supplemental-Draft-Coverage.htm

[Aurone]

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2009/04/15/2009-04-15_a_9yearold_wrestling_fan_jumped_off_his_brooklyn_apa rtment_roof_wearing_a_homema.html


Here we go again.

[darkoverlord]

:die: The parents knew when they bought the kid the game that it was rated Teen why do they not watch there kids instead of buying them this game to copy off of prowrestlers:nervouswreck:

[Aurone]

"I could have turned everything into a crime scene, like O.J., cutting everybody's throat. You live half a mile from the 20,000-square-foot home you can't go to anymore, you're driving through downtown Clearwater and see a 19-year-old boy driving your Escalade, and you know that a 19-year-old boy is sleeping in your bed, with your wife…

I totally understand O.J. I get it."


These are the words of the Immortal Hulk Hogan about Linda. I Shit you not.


:axekill:

[darkoverlord]

Hopefully TNA will capitalize on having Bobby Lashley as talent as well as bringing in Tazz but not sure why TNA decided to bring him in for Samoa Joe as a consultant seeing how it may not work out so well.

[Aurone]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/103270/Playboy-Buddy-Rose-Passes-Away.htm

Buddy Rose passed away.

RIP. :sadbye:

[CMax]

Hopefully TNA will capitalize on having Bobby Lashley as talent.

Or, in typical TNA fashion, Lashley will fall in love with Awesome Kong, and then have to face Suicide in a Kong-on-a-reinforced-pole match.

[ReD]

We're about a week away from the 10 Year anniversary of the death of Owen Hart. Arguably the toughest loss the industry ever faced. For those who haven't seen it. Here's something to watch.

"The Life and Death of Owen Hart"

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Looking back on it.

It surprises me to this day that this single event did not derail that era for its duration.

For me it signified the end of the Harts and their significance in the WWE. Sure Bulldog, Jim, Natalie, etc have been there since but I doubt it will ever be the same as it was once was in the 90s with the Harts in the WWE.

I remember talking about Owen the day after in school. Everyone in the school knew about it. Course back then some of those kids were wrestling fans who some of probably still watch today while others were there for the era. Nevertheless the event impacted everyone one way or another.

I wish he were still here.

Besides Bret coming back ever.

Owen vs HBK was a feud I would have loved to see again.

Non DX HBK vs Owen.

Another Wrestlemania Classic for sure.

[Aurone]

For one night only, the Monday Night Wars will revive. Only stepping in WCW's place will be the Denver Nuggets!

If you havn't heard, WWE and the Nuggets/Pepsi Arena in Denver have been in a heated rivalry for the last week as the Nuggets have forced Raw out of the Pepsi Arena, an event they signed months in advance before the Nuggets made the playoff and now WWE had to re-locate to L.A. this Monday. Since they signed a contract and didn't pay, there's talk the WWE could sue for millions and have a legitimite case to win. There was also talk of WWE actully going to the Parking Lot of the arena and doing Raw there (they should of done that, DX style man!).

[darkoverlord]

For one night only, the Monday Night Wars will revive. Only stepping in WCW's place will be the Denver Nuggets!

If you havn't heard, WWE and the Nuggets/Pepsi Arena in Denver have been in a heated rivalry for the last week as the Nuggets have forced Raw out of the Pepsi Arena, an event they signed months in advance before the Nuggets made the playoff and now WWE had to re-locate to L.A. this Monday. Since they signed a contract and didn't pay, there's talk the WWE could sue for millions and have a legitimite case to win. There was also talk of WWE actully going to the Parking Lot of the arena and doing Raw there (they should of done that, DX style man!).

I would agree some what until i read this. http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/105299/Mr.-McMahon-to-Confront-Denver-Nuggets-Owner-Stan-Kroenke-on-Raw.htm Vince is really trying to act like the good guy and then he pulls this stunt.:dsp: Note the fact that he had to go and pull this off just so he can try to get viewers. IF he did this to MNF he would never get far in publicity.

[Darkgod]

Old news, but Ken Kennedy got fired.

[ReD]

There were times when I thought Kennedy had a chance to be a legit upper card guy but he was too injury prone and reckless in the ring. Of course he almost took out the top guy arguably in the company with a botched move.

He was given plenty of chances and he blew it.

Orton is another story though. For a year and change they book him as this monster heel then they botch it by having him lose at Mania and then they give him the strap only to make him look boring and weak and his legacy stooges have zero credibility as legit heels.

Legacy will probably end up being another flash in the pan stable if it is not already. Even though Evolution was an excuse to keep HHH on the top, it served its purpose whereas Legacy is a jobber stable with a main event top talent floating around looking weak.

Flair is another guy. Entertaining but the guy needs to give it up. It's believed that he is done wrestling in the states and the WWE but will take his act overseas. I just thought his farewell tour last year was perfect but to each is own.

Soon enough Hogan will be coming out of the woodwork again soon. With his ugly legal battles with Linda. He'll be looking for some work.

[Darkgod]

Orton is still a top guy and looks anything but weak... the heel is always suposed to be psycholohically stonger, but physically weaker,

[Wally The Cannibal]

Flair is another guy. Entertaining but the guy needs to give it up. It's believed that he is done wrestling in the states and the WWE but will take his act overseas. I just thought his farewell tour last year was perfect but to each is own.

Soon enough Hogan will be coming out of the woodwork again soon. With his ugly legal battles with Linda. He'll be looking for some work.

Flair can't give it up. First of all he's bat shit insane, and he's also paying around $25,000 a month in alimony (I think that's the figure I read). This guy will be Terry Funk'ing until the end my friends.

PS: Chris Masters is back bitches!!!!! HAHAHAHA!

[ReD]

Dunno what to say about Masters.

Its debatable whether or not he'll be another muscle guy that Vince gushes over only to be released after they have him squash people with no response or do they give him something good to do to get him over.

Given Vince and his track record with big men, he'll be a powerhouse to start then fade away into obscurity.

Khali - can't wrestle and he's a castaway yet a former champion
Kozlov - another stiff, I recall a PPV title match with HHH that was disastrously boring and bad
Lashley - another powerhouse with no mic skills

Vince thinks these guys can just get over with physique and muscle. More often than not especially recently it has not worked.

[Wally The Cannibal]

Time for the full nelson to get monopolized by one man again, boys!

[Darkgod]

hes nowhere near the size, so hes useless

[Darkgod]

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=39367&p=1

RIP JAPANESE LEGEND MISAWA

[ReD]

The Donald Trump fiasco was not entertaining when it happened a few years ago and it won't be entertaining now. I know what Vince is thinking but the quick fixes don't work for ratings when by and large the mainstream world does not give a shit about wrestling anymore.

Its the same thing with competition. Even if TNA were to compete head to head on Monday Night. That does not mean all of a sudden all the mainstream lackies will latch on again.

He has to focus on good wrestling with good rivalries. He seems to have everything working that way on Smackdown but on Raw its all gimmick and repetitive.

[Wally The Cannibal]

The Trump shit was so obviously pre-taped too. Vince had to word all his talking to the titan tron very carefully so there wouldn't be any miscues. It was awful.

[ReD]

I've seen this brought up a couple times on other sites.

Jeff Hardy's tenure in WWE is set to expire and many within the industry question whether or not he will re-sign with the company.

Say what you want about him, no doubt he's a valuable asset to the company more so now than his first run in the company before his hiatus between 2003-2006.

IMO I say if he wants to take time off to recharge and come back later. Im all for that approach rather than seeing him re-sign only to burn out and end up with a 3rd wellness violation and an embarrassing exit from the company.

He's a champion, he's a good worker in terms of keeping people interested and excited throughout a match, not necessarily a great move set but an exciting move set. He's average on the mic but has worked on it.

IMO I'll miss him because as it stands Smackdown is superior to Raw in every conceivable way. Better matches, better workers, etc.

[Wally The Cannibal]

He's already started a count down to when his contract is up on his Twitter.

[Darkgod]

Good... go. I can't stand him. His stupid face painting, and dumb dancing. he is unsafe in the ring.

[Wally The Cannibal]

Yeah, if I hadn't been a Hardy fan since I was a kid I probably wouldn't dig him as much. He can look awfully sloppy and his weird dancing has never made sense, nor has it looked good.

[ReD]

Matt without a doubt is the superior worker of the two but the guy will likely never get the accolades that Jeff gets and really they fucked him over with the whole Edge/Lita fiasco years back.

It made one guy a clear cut main eventer and the other guy forever stuck in midcard mediocrity.

I like Matt better as an in ring wrestler but he'll never be Jeff IMO.

He's the Marty Jannetty of that duo. Every time they try to do something serious with Matt, either they fuck up or he comes off boring.

[Darkgod]

yeah he had his chance a few years back, but he blew it

[3/6]

http://www.crazedfanboy.com/npcr07/images/bret_hart.jpg

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr112/mauricegyl/aj5brethart2.jpg

:stare:

[ReD]

Raw over the last month has maybe, being generous. Just maybe been 5% watchable.

The celebrity guest hosting is a disaster and is an obvious attempt at mainstream plugging.

Shaq to host next week.

Smackdown has been the A show for the duration.

[ReD]

Not sure how long this celebrity hosta-thon for Raw will last but IMO it adds nothing to the product.

Shaq, ZZ top, Seth Green hosted and Jeremy Piven to host next. I've read rumors on Robert Englund to possibly host soon. Begs to question what Vince is paying these guys.

[Nightmares]

I've read rumors on Robert Englund to possibly host soon.


:hmmm:

[Nightmares]

Not sure how long this celebrity hosta-thon for Raw will last but IMO it adds nothing to the product.

I agree,ZZTop...I love the band,but their time on RAW...ridiculous.

Only thing Shaq did that made me chuckle was kiss Jericho on the forehead.Thats was freakin funny as fawk.

[Darkgod]

The Englund thing is cool for us fans, but it has nothing to do with wrestling

[Nightmares]

The Englund thing is cool for us fans, but it has nothing to do with wrestling


True,very true...but these days...even wrestling has nothing to do with wrestling.

[Darkgod]

Also true

[ReD]

Another brutal celebrity guest host Raw. When will it all end.

Token asian being unfunny.

More commercialized than ever.

Plugging Piven's movie forever and ever.

Only one decent TV match that being the handicap match in which HHH actually put other guys over which you never much of anymore.

[ReD]

Well I thought Summerslam 09 was one of WWE's better shows in the last few years. Sure it had some filler but I thoroughly enjoyed most of the show including the two main events.

6/10

[Nightmares]

Yeah,it was pretty good.The DX vs Legacy was my fave.

[ReD]

SD certainly has fresh air surrounding it.

Hardy leaves for a while but put Punk over before leaving. People either love or hate Jeff for any number of reasons but putting over peeps is always a good thing IMO. Something other guys need to do more often instead of getting ridiculous booking like Super Cena or HHH, etc.

Hopefully Taker stays healthy this time around because I think if not this year then next year will be his last year. He can put Punk over unti Edge returns as a face and feuds with Punk/Jericho.

Raw on the other hand has been booked like shit since Mania IMO.

[Aurone]

Rey Mysterio has been suspended for Wellness Violation. Look for him to drop the title on Smackdown, hopefully to Ziggler.

Now, while it's sad to see that he's done it, I think WWE could use this. They could do a Punk/Rey fued and this could just give Punk ammunition to be a Dick Heel to Rey. The fans love Rey, especially kids, Punk could not want the kids liking a druggy.

[FeindMummy]

Punk is a cunt and not that good of a wrestler...

I am sorry but if you want wrestling look at old school NWA or ECW before it went public... The crap that they got now is for the freaking pussy assholes that don't want dodge ball in the schools and sugar to be taken out cause it could effect their kids...
I like TNA they have some good matches... But even they are trying to be all about the gimmicks and feuds...

[ReD]

I think the idea of wrestling being simply an attraction is over.

Can't be that anymore because both the business has changed and the audiences have changed.

I think both WCW and WWE are guilty of that change. I think others have mentioned it before but it all comes down to good booking.

The WWE has nothing to lose because there is nobody out there to lose to IMO. TNA will never be WWE if anything their WWE lite with ex WCW/WWE guys who have monopolized the top spots in wrestling for a good decade and a half now. Along with a guy (Jarrett) who will only be king in his own mind.

That's the problem with the Raw scene. Its a revolving door of the same faces while SD is considered the B show, the booking on that show is superior.

I'll agree the product is tamer but they were TV 14/more mature for years prior and the only thing different between this and that is language and blood. It still comes down to booking.

[Darkgod]

Punk is a cunt and not that good of a wrestler...

I am sorry but if you want wrestling look at old school NWA or ECW before it went public... The crap that they got now is for the freaking pussy assholes that don't want dodge ball in the schools and sugar to be taken out cause it could effect their kids...
I like TNA they have some good matches... But even they are trying to be all about the gimmicks and feuds...

I think your a little rough an the assertation of punk... take it from someone who does this... he's a very talented wrestler. He makes others look good. Just look at the TLC match... smart marks even liked it, and they despise hardy. Look up punks iron man match... a 93 minute match. Out of curioisty who do you think is a good wrestler?

[Misfit]

punks top rop pedigree for the win:greetings:

[Darkgod]

The pepsi-plunge

[BigFatOgre]

I used to watch wrestling with my dad. Now I can't stand it. I try to get into it still every now and then. My father's been a fan forever and even he's been changing the tube quite often. Most of it looks far too choreographed (badly).
I know it takes a lot of talent being a wrestler. But alot of it these days looks fake.

[TheRedBengal11]

Right now there isn't much going for the WWE. I think Chris Jericho and CM Punk are the best in the biz right now. They are always great in the ring and they are able to get a lot of reaction out of the crowds. I miss the old heel jericho that would throw huge temper tantrums. If he loosened up and went back to that kind of a character I think it would be better. I've never been a big fan of Jeff Hardy. I think he's better suited as a tag team kind of guy rather than a singles wrestler. By the way, have any of you seen the rise and fall of wcw? I was thinking about getting it but I didn't know if it would be worth it or not.

[Darkgod]

its not bad, and actually does a pretty good job of showing the good along with the bad... but since its wwe... don't look for any mention of Benoit.

[ReD]

Yeah the Benoit thing seems a bit over blown these days in terms of no mention from the WWE.

The guy was a great wrestler and the fact that they can't seem to separate the man from the wrestler is fault on their behalf.

At the same time the celebrity guest themed Raw and its booking has been more bad than good IMO while SD consistently has been the superior booked show for months.

The flag ship show has been in a funk since Wrestlemania IMO.

With Jeff gone for the immediate future and Punk being put over like he has with Taker coming back and a thin main event roster. They now have the chance to move a guy like a John Morrison up the echelon. Hopefully SD continues the upward trend.

[Darkgod]

Hardys done with the company for a long time. He hasn't signed the contract, and this si the second time he is walking out when he is in a main event. WWE isn't gonna look to favorably on that in the future.

[ReD]

SD Spoilers 9/4/09

Sounds like another good show especially with the way they handled the Rey suspension for the Wellness Policy Violation.


Full spoilers

Rey Mysterio will be defending the IC Title against John Morrison. Dolph Ziggler wrestled in tonight's dark match.

Smackdown opens with CM Punk coming out wearing face painted and dressed like Jeff Hardy. Punk is getting major heel heat and calls out The Undertaker. Matt Hardy comes out instead and referees have to break them apart.

Teddy Long announces CM Punk vs. Matt Hardy in a non-title match later on the show.

- The Great Khali and Finlay defeat Kane and Mike Knox

There is a backstage skit with Vince McMahon and Teddy Long. This is followed by a backstage vignette with Maria and Michelle McCool.

Michelle comes up and says that Dolph will leave her. Melina comes up and threatens Michelle with a knuckle sandwich. Maria tells her to stay out of her business.

John Morrison vs. Rey Mysterio for the Intercontinental Championship is up next.

- John Morrison defeats Rey Mysterio to win the IC Title in a 20+ minute PPV quality match. Lots of pro-Morrison and 619 chants.

R-Truth comes out to the ring. He is attacked by Drew McIntyre who is wearing a dress shirt. After the attack, McIntyre cuts a promo.

- Maria & Eve defeat Natalya & Layla after Eve gets thew in with the pin on Layla.

Josh Mathews is in the back interviewing Matt Hardy. The lights go out... An Undertaker promo is shown and the lights come back on.

- Matt Hardy vs. CM Punk ends in DQ. CM Punk is out first followed by Matt. Slow action throughout with several long two counts. CM Punk goes for a chair shot when the "gong" hits and Undertaker appears. He chokeslams Punk through the announce table to end the show.

[FeindMummy]

I think your a little rough an the assertation of punk... take it from someone who does this... he's a very talented wrestler. He makes others look good. Just look at the TLC match... smart marks even liked it, and they despise hardy. Look up punks iron man match... a 93 minute match. Out of curioisty who do you think is a good wrestler?

I do wrestle for one for a little company in PA, and he is a all show. My personal favorite all time wrestler? Wow I love 3D, I have always loved them since they were Bubba Ray and Devon in ECW. But I am sorry but I think Punk is a good showmen but to actual wrestle he sucks on so many levels, it is suppose to be hands on not some BS jumping shit.

[BigFatOgre]

Tried watching ECW last night. I watched almost half an hour of an hour show and saw one 3 minute match. It was 24 minutes before another wrestler headed for the ring.
This is my issue. I want to see people beating each other up. Not a bunch of BS.
I understand there has to be some show, there always has been, but i want to see some wrestling when i watch wrestling, not a fricken talk show!!!

[FeindMummy]

Tried watching ECW last night. I watched almost half an hour of an hour show and saw one 3 minute match. It was 24 minutes before another wrestler headed for the ring.
This is my issue. I want to see people beating each other up. Not a bunch of BS.
I understand there has to be some show, there always has been, but i want to see some wrestling when i watch wrestling, not a fricken talk show!!!

I agree! I use to go to the ECW arena in Philly all the time to watch them. I saw wrestlers before they were even known by name. I saw matches that should be considered the greatest of all time, hell RVD against Sabboo... Those matches owned. The pit bulls! The show now just sucks. I am sorry, they are trying to get story lines and get people to like the wrestler cause of the stories rather then the actual matches.

[DMHead777]

I don't see how you guys can :fapper: to wrestling. I used to be big into it, but not anymore. What's going on now that everyone watches?

[ReD]

It all depends on preference.

IMO

Raw is poorly booked shit

ECW is hit and miss.

Superstars is decent

SD is the best show out of the lot but their is some transition going on in its future.

Punk is the top dog with Taker chasing him and likely Matt Hardy with Jeff Hardy on hiatus and Edge injured. Contrary to what the smarks may say about Jeff, most reports say he left on good terms with the company on his own accord and they are willing to open the door for a return whenever he decides he wants back in much like Jericho within the last couple years.

He's not as good a wrestler as Matt but he's over, sells a ton of merchandise and keeps crowds into matches and puts over people. All the equations needed to be a like able guy in the wrestling community even if he does have his critics.

After them the talent pool is pretty heavy with Morrison, Ziggler, etc. Rey was suspended however for 30 days for violating the wellness policy.

[ReD]

In what was probably one of the biggest fuck ups any wrestling company has ever committed. TNA was forced to release Knockout Angelina Love after she had been working for two years illegally with an expired visa that she had when she was with WWE.

Considering the Knockout Division garners good ratings and she was one of the faces of that Division. It ends up being a disastrous blow to TNA. Not only that she faces a potential 10 year ban from the US as she is a Canadian.

I think she is a good worker and if she somehow gets out of trouble. I can't see her going back to TNA without being a face to go against the stable she helped build in the beautiful people. If not that then she will probably end up back with the WWE.

In the end, massive fuck up both on her part and TNA.

[Darkgod]

I do wrestle for one for a little company in PA, and he is a all show. My personal favorite all time wrestler? Wow I love 3D, I have always loved them since they were Bubba Ray and Devon in ECW. But I am sorry but I think Punk is a good showmen but to actual wrestle he sucks on so many levels, it is suppose to be hands on not some BS jumping shit.

What company do you wrestle for in Pennsylvania. I've wrestled for a lot out there, and where were you trained. You sound like one of these backyard guys who never trained, and wrestles with friends in an undergournd show. You say Punk isn't a good wreslter but then put over 3d? Odd to say the elast

[Darkgod]

In what was probably one of the biggest fuck ups any wrestling company has ever committed. TNA was forced to release Knockout Angelina Love after she had been working for two years illegally with an expired visa that she had when she was with WWE.

Considering the Knockout Division garners good ratings and she was one of the faces of that Division. It ends up being a disastrous blow to TNA. Not only that she faces a potential 10 year ban from the US as she is a Canadian.

I think she is a good worker and if she somehow gets out of trouble. I can't see her going back to TNA without being a face to go against the stable she helped build in the beautiful people. If not that then she will probably end up back with the WWE.

In the end, massive fuck up both on her part and TNA.

Yeah thats rough

[Darkgod]

WWE pulling a wcw move, and signing two ROH former champions.... Nigel mcguiness and Brian Danielson.

Danielson signed about a week ago, and Nigel this past sunday. nigel has all the tools, and I could see as a champion in the future. Daniels is the best pure wrestler in the world today (think Benoit) but also has no mic skills.

[ReD]

Yeah those signings are interesting.

Either they plan on utilizing them or they took them away from ROH because they think ROH is a bigger threat than TNA. I think they should because TNA outside of a handful of guys is monopolized by some of the same faces WCW had before its demise.

[ReD]

So Jeff decides to leave WWE because he needed down time.

So he snowballs himself into this big shit.

http://rajah.com/base/node/17129

Former WWE superstar Jeff Hardy is in the Moore County jail this afternoon after being arrested on charges of trafficking in controlled prescription pills and possession of anabolic steriods.

Hardy, 32, was arrested on Friday after a search of his home yielded 262 Vicodin prescription pills, 180 Soma prescription pills, 555 milliliters of anabolic steroids, powder cocaine and drug paraphernalia. His bail has been set at $125,000.

Hardy had been under investigation by the Moore County Sheriff's Office narcotics and select enforcement units and the Fayetteville Police Department led to Friday's arrest.

The charges against Jeff Hardy include:

- Felony trafficking in opium
- Two counts of felony possession with intent to sell or deliver a Schedule III controlled substance
- Felony maintaining a dwelling to keep controlled substance
- Felony possession of cocaine
- Misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia.

[Aurone]

Drugs in the wrestling industry has been a problem for years, they most of the Von Erich family, they killed Eddy Guerreo, Bulldog, Brian Pillman, so many. Jeff Hardy's just an example that its still a problem today as it's been for so many years.

[Misfit]

:straightface2: r.i.p british bulldog....still missed


....also the perfect one, mr perfect

[Bedogsexor]

I have been getting into it recently since nothing else is on Monday nights...

I guess it started with meeting Randy Orton outta nowhere in May, wanted to see him on tv...got interested in the show again.

I know its fake and corny, but it provides entertainment for 2 hours every monday.

I was actually really into it when it had stone cold and the rock on it.

[Nightmares]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f388/heatfan/IMG000005.jpg

[Natasmai]

I have been getting into it recently since nothing else is on Monday nights...

I guess it started with meeting Randy Orton outta nowhere in May, wanted to see him on tv...got interested in the show again.

I know its fake and corny, but it provides entertainment for 2 hours every monday.

I was actually really into it when it had stone cold and the rock on it.

I've been the same way as of late. I loved it back when stone cold had his fued with the Mcmahons, and what not, but lost interest for quiet awhile, and lately, I just started watching again. Not too bad of a RAW tonight, with Trish Stratus as the Guest Hostess.

[Darkgod]

Drugs in the wrestling industry has been a problem for years, they most of the Von Erich family, they killed Eddy Guerreo, Bulldog, Brian Pillman, so many. Jeff Hardy's just an example that its still a problem today as it's been for so many years.

Pillman died of a deformed heart

Death

Some time during the night or early morning prior to the October 5, 1997 In Your House: Badd Blood pay per view in St. Louis, Pillman died in a Bloomington, Minnesota, Budget Inn hotel room. He was 35 years old. An autopsy found that Pillman had a previously undetected heart condition - arteriosclerotic heart disease - had led to his death (Jim Ross said that in his mind Pillman died of a broken heart). Pillman did not know that he was about to become a father once again when he died. On Raw the next night, he received a ten-bell salute. Vince interviewed Melanie Pillman on the same night. She stated she wanted him to be remembered as "A great father, and the best husband."

Sad things was how talented he actually was. In my eyes even more so then guys like eddie and benoit, ( i know im in the minority) He was ahead of his time in wrestling, being one of the first guys to be a light heavyweight style in america. His matches with Jushin Liger are phenomanal. He also was the first guyt to be a shooter, meaning he did some written shoot skits, actions etc... i,e the shoot on eric bischoff in ecw

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or his worked shoot at the signing
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BTW his signing was the first Guarenteed signing ever.... no one got a guarenteed contract till he signed. And the fact he did after his leg was destroyed, and wwf still wanted him. Unfortinitly it lead to signings like hall and nash in wcw.

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watch at 1:55, that was originally unedited.

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2:55 a quote from Austin... which if you don't know was Pillmans best friend. The chain Austin wears was given to him by Pillman.

or exposing the bussiness and calling Sullivan Bookerman

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And probally the best story ever

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And he was given the ed block couorage award in the nfl

http://www.edblock.org/pdf/alum-31st.pdf

1984 Cinicinatti Bengals

And not that it matters...he was my favorite wrestler ever.

[Aurone]

http://bthroughz.com/sept09/mschif.html

My interview with MsChif, who's most well known right now as the Shimmer Champion.

[Darkgod]

Pretty cool interview... Shimmer has some damn good matches, and anyone who knocks female wrestling should check it out. I know a few of the girls personally, and even used to travel with Alexa Thatcher.

[ReD]

Pillman was a great talent.

Along with Taker, Foley, Austin, Rock and HHH. I think he could have been one of those guys who carried one of the two biggest boom periods in wrestling history.

No doubt about it, he gave the 97 version of the Hart Foundation an edginess to it.

[Darkgod]

hell yeah, unfort. he was more of a mouth piece. he lost a lot when his leg was fused in 1 position. I mean you watch wcw of 95 and see him, and compare to wwe 96... and its a big difference. His upside was his mic skills, and his psychology

[Aurone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGOnSaqlRBw

GOd Japanese Wrestling is insane, if an american promotion tried that entrance, they'd have dozens of lawsuits and would problebly be shut down.

[Lemmywinks]

Best entrance ever.

[ReD]

That's some crazy shit.

[koolmike]

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:lol:

[FeindMummy]

Has everyone heard that Booker T is leaving TNA and that Jeff Hardey got busted for drugs? Yeah.. There goes his life and I think that Booker T is going back to WWE.

O and is anyone else psyched about this Monster Balls?

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, I also heard that about Booker T. It was said that he's unhappy with TNA and has alot of backstage heat. Most recently Booker refused to put over Matt Morgan at the last set of Impact tapings.

I got this off from NODQ.

[psycho]

Has everyone heard that Booker T is leaving TNA and that Jeff Hardey got busted for drugs? Yeah.. There goes his life and I think that Booker T is going back to WWE.

O and is anyone else psyched about this Monster Balls?

no i didn't hear that. im surprised vince will take booker T back.

[Darkgod]

its not definite if hes going back to wwe....

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, it was jus rumoured backstage.

[FeindMummy]

Yea, I also heard that about Booker T. It was said that he's unhappy with TNA and has alot of backstage heat. Most recently Booker refused to put over Matt Morgan at the last set of Impact tapings.

I got this off from NODQ.

Yeah I was kinda of hoping that Jeff Hardy would be going back to TNA, he was damn good in that ring and was able to do somethings that was great. i think that TNA needs to make a Hardcore belt and have the old rule that it is 24/7.
I miss the hardcore title...

[Darkgod]

Hardy sucked in the ring

[MrNobody]

Ever since this WWE went to this PG thing, it completly sux!!!!! It was bad enough before, but now, DAMN it sux.....
Hopefully Linda will lose and Vince will get pissed and the WWE will be filled with blood baths and all sorts of craziness......
Probably not though..
DX can SUCK IT!!!

[Aurone]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/119099/Captain-Lou-Albano-Passes-Away.htm

:sadbye:

[FeindMummy]

Ever since this WWE went to this PG thing, it completly sux!!!!! It was bad enough before, but now, DAMN it sux.....
Hopefully Linda will lose and Vince will get pissed and the WWE will be filled with blood baths and all sorts of craziness......
Probably not though..
DX can SUCK IT!!!

HUH? what is going on that you hope Linda loses?

And RIP Captain Lou

[Darkgod]

She's running for Senator in Conn.

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[FeindMummy]

She's running for Senator in Conn.

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I would vote for her...

[Darkgod]

I wouldn't

[Aurone]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/119306/Shane-McMahon-Quits-WWE.htm

SHane McMahon is quitting WWE, I Shit you not.

[ReD]

He's talked in the past about a possible venture into some MMA type of situation though who knows he may just end up doing something totally different. Non associated with WWE or MMA.

I hope he comes back and takes the the place of his father because as much as I like HBK. I don't think the company can prosper twenty years down the line being funneled through a buddy system of Stephanie, HHH and HBK.

Only guys who are friends of them are going to get a pat on the back and a proper push in the company and that's going to be counter productive all the way around unless someone comes along who can sell a bunch of t shirts and play the superman role like a Hogan or a Cena. Those will be the exceptions.

[FeindMummy]

Hell that is what is going on now. When was the last time that anyone new has come and actually done anything without being buddies with the McMahon's now.

[Aurone]

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Batista's gone Heel! He hasn't been Heel since his first push back in 05 for Mania. He was a bit of a Tweener with his rivalry with Undertaker, but never full fledged.

[Nightmares]

Should post a spoiler alert next time :bitchslap:

[Darkgod]

wow thanks for ruining that

[Aurone]

:( Sorry, got excited at the moment and forgot.

[Aurone]

Mickey James might leave wrestling. Guess why?




She wants to be a country singer....

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/120254/Mickie-James-Set-To-Start-Country-Music-Career.htm

[ReD]

She's been around for a while.

I think they tried their best to groom her as the next Trish/Lita but it never really materialized. The only time she was ever really interesting was during the whole psycho Mickie stalker angle with Trish and that was years ago.

[Aurone]

It's official, TNA is WCW Light.


According to Pwinsider.com, TNA President Dixie Carter and several top flight TNA officials are at Hulk Hogan's press conference in New York City at Madison Square Garden today. Hogan has signed a deal to join TNA, and Eric Bischoff joining him in the company as well. More on the story as it comes.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/120273/Hulk-Hogan-Signs-With-TNA.htm

I give the company about 5 years before Vince buys it and around 10 years until we see "The Rise and Fall of TNA" DVD in Blu-Ray.

[ReD]

Good call Aurone.

Hogan right now is a guy in need of dollars. Bischoff I always thought was limited in creative at best. The only two things he ever did which he deserves a lot of credit for is the Hogan heel turn. Arguably the biggest moment in the industry and the NWO stable.

[Darkgod]

Sad as it is... this will actually help tna get some publicty and some viewership.... however it will kill the company from within

[psycho]

Sad as it is... this will actually help tna get some publicty and some viewership.... however it will kill the company from within

I agree, now that hogan and bishoff are in charge.

[Halcon Loco]

Well I wonder what Ozzy and Sharon will plan on RAW.

[Jamie_By_Design]

I have only started watching wrestling in the last year or so, but I have really gotten into it and have been viewing a few of the older matches from back when it was still called the WWF.

My favourite wrestler is, by far, The Undertaker, but I also like Batista and Triple H.

As for Ozzy and Sharon on RAW? Well...I think the good thing is that when Ozzy is involved, there's no telling what he will come up with.

[Halcon Loco]

Undertaker is one of my favorytes as well.

Well Ozzy is goin to have to keep it PG. And I hope he doesn't put Hornswoggle in a match or attack Chavo.

[Aurone]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/120826/WWE-News:-Undertaker-Origin-Film,-CT-Democrats-File-Complaint-Against-Linda,-More.htm

I love Undertaker, but do we really need a movie about him?

[Halcon Loco]

I heard about that like four days ago. The origins where Undertaker came from??? I myte check it thoy, it depends...

[Nightmares]

:fapper:

[Jamie_By_Design]

Just been to see The Undertaker's Rest In Peace Tour tonight. It was awesome!

[Aurone]

Shimmer DVD tapping is tonight, I hope they can salvage some of the matches as they've lost a few performers. Daffney broke her arm when she was chockslamed through a barbwire table by Abyss at Bound for Glory and Portia Perez has Swine Flu and won't be there.

[Halcon Loco]

What was it like Jaime, what all happened?

[Halcon Loco]

R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero 1967-2005 :mecry:

[Nightmares]

:scratch: does that mean today is the anniversary of his death...or you just behind on the times?

[Halcon Loco]

The Anniversary of course.

[Jamie_By_Design]

It was very good thank you Halcon. The audience was really very active and vocal which was fun.

Some of the best matches included:
Dolph Ziggler Vs John Morrisson
Michelle McCool Vs Beth Phoenix
A Triple Threat MAtch between Matt Hardy, Rey Mysterio and Batista
and the best match by far was A Casket Match between CM Punk and The Undertaker.

The audience went absolutely wild during that match and it was a very exciting match. I remember there was one moment of shock when The Undertaker picked CM Punk up to perform the Tombstone, he tripped on a steel chair and almost dropped him!

But anyways, it was a very good night and I would certainly like to see it live again some time.

[FeindMummy]

I hope that the Chic that is running TNA gets eaten by an alligator that would make the company a little better. I think that all she is going to do is line her pockets and run it to the ground.

[Nightmares]

good God...Piper is losing it more and more everytime we see him these days :whew2:

[Aurone]

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The most deadly attack in the history of wrestling!

Seriously though, I'm quickly learning to love that company.

[Aurone]

I wish I had bought Survivor Series tonight, a lot of reports are saying that it was a pretty damn good show.

[Nightmares]

I always catch it the next morning on movie forumz...it was a pretty good ppv.

[Nightmares]

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The most deadly attack in the history of wrestling!

Seriously though, I'm quickly learning to love that company.

wtf dude :nono:

[Aurone]

Have a sense of humor Nightmares.

I've really liked Sheamus, truly. He's got a unique look, pretty good in the ring and has awesome music....but they are really pushing him too fucking fast. I'm partly worried Vince will again try and rush the creation of his own home grown Goldberg like he tried with Lesnar and Lashley.

[Nightmares]

http://wrestlingtruth.com/wrestlehost/images/y1xstj6dv5w0ha7lxtpj.jpghttp://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lb/metallica_claridges_050409/james_hetfield_2318032.jpg


Scary...isnt it?

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, he's being pushed to fast. Same thing will probably happen to Drew McIntyre.

[Nightmares]

funny...Drew's been out before,and I dont remember him...seems like his accent gets shittier and shittier everytime he gets on the mic.

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, he was released to get more training and brought back up. I don't care for the guy thoy.

[Aurone]

Here's what annoys me, they could of had Kofi Kingston face Cena at TLC, he's had a shit load of momentum going from his Orton fued and while I want it to continue, he would of made a better choice for a short time contender, and if anything test to see if he's truly main event material as a match against Cena at a PPV would of been perfect.

[koolmike]

Wrestling sux.

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, I agree with you Aurone.

[Halcon Loco]

Eric *Whispers Escobar* future endeavored soon lol.

[Aurone]

Former WWE star Umaga is in some serious health shit....


Former WWE star Eddie "Umaga" Fatu has been hospitalized in an ICU unit in Houston, TX. Reports are going around that he is now brain dead, but that has not been confirmed by his family. WWE called it a "grave situation." His condition is thought to be life-threatening and his family was told to get into town and to the hospital right away.

Details are a bit sketchy at this point, but he was apparently found by his wife this morning, not breathing with blood coming out of his nose

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/123702/Umaga-Hospitalized,-Seriously-Ill.htm

[Shreds_of_Flesh]

that grenade video :suicide:

Umaga was pretty funny :getsome:

[Aurone]

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=37578

It's Official, Umaga was only 35.

[ReD]

Never cared much for him outside of his programs with Jeff and Cena.

Still its tragic. He had a chance to be one of the more successful monster heels of his time, he may already have been.

[Halcon Loco]

I was never a big fan, but this is saddened to hear.

R.I.P. Eddie Fatu "Umaga"

[Nightmares]

I was never a big fan, but this is saddened to hear.

R.I.P. Eddie Fatu "Umaga"


same here...but still sucks.
RIP

Wonder if it was drug related :stare3:

[Halcon Loco]

Not sure, guess we'll have to wait to hear the autopsy.

[Halcon Loco]

I think it was thoy, because I think I heard that he turned down free rehab that the WWE provided for him.

[Nightmares]

I think it was thoy

:scratch:

[Darkgod]

been a while since i been on here... so

Chikara sucks... always has always will. Quackenbush thinks lucha still gets over.
Sucks for Umaga... but you pay the price for drugs.
Mike still chimes in everyonce ina while to let us know he hates wrestling

[Aurone]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/tv_reports/124399/411//s-WWE:-TLC-Report-12.13.09.htm

Results of TLC tonight, read if you want to know. All I can say is my jaw dropped.

[Gilly]

Fucking delighted Cena lost, I hate that bastard.

[LordofDarkness]

Guest host shit needs to go. Also, PG needs to go.

[3/6]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/tv_reports/124399/411//s-WWE:-TLC-Report-12.13.09.htm

Results of TLC tonight, read if you want to know. All I can say is my jaw dropped.

only thing i saw on that link was another link to this
http://www.411mania.com/music/news/124487
:fapper:

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, i'm also glad Cena lost. I depise the guy. Hopefully he doesn't get it back.

[FeindMummy]

Amen that Cena lost! I am also happy that Big Slow and Jerrygirl lost the belts...

[Halcon Loco]

I don't mind Jericho but I don't like heel Bigshow. I wish Chickenheart Randy and McIntyre lost.

[Aurone]

Yea, i'm also glad Cena lost. I depise the guy. Hopefully he doesn't get it back.

The dude has sold more merchandise then Hulk Hogan and is second only too Stone Cold, and he's insanly over with kids (a huge market for them) and women. What are the odds they'll keep the title from him in the future? I do however think the best route is to finally have the due go full blown Heel, he hasn't been that since 2003.

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, I heard from alot of other people that they want him to make a heel turn.

[ReD]

This is probably the best time of year for the WWE.

From the Royal Rumble through No Way Out until Wrestlemania with the Royal Rumble being my favorite of those 3 events. The last 3 years have seen established stars win. Hopefully this year someone new breaks through the glass. I'd like to see Kofi, Miz or Morrison pull it out.

If Edge returns early, I could him being a candidate but Jericho is a good choice as well.

[Aurone]

So looking at everything, this is how I think Wrestlemania could play out. Key word, "Could".

Sheamus vs Kofi Kingston for the WWE title.

John Morrison vs Batista for the World Heavyweight title.

DX vs The Hart Dynasty for the Unifed Tag Team titles.

Edge vs Chris Jericho.

John Cena vs The Undertaker.

Money in the Bank Match: CM Punk, Drew McEntir (However his name's spelled), MVP, The Miz, Kane, Evan Bourn, Randy Orton and Dolph Ziggler with The Miz or Drew being front runners to win.

Some Diva's shit that'll be rushed and no on will care.

Something with the ECW Title that'll have the same affect as the Diva shit.

[3/6]

kelly kelly :fapper: :fapper2:

[ReD]

I think the biggest thing for Mania this year is it needs to stop being a 1 match show IMO.

Last year it was HBK/Taker and the rest was mediocrity at best. For a card that was as stacked as it was last year, the show underperformed in all areas except Taker/HBK which was really the only match the crowd was hot for.

With the tease on Raw last night (HBK/Taker part II), it would be a shame if that match happened again AND was the only top tier match on the show.

With that, the Rumble is as wide open as its ever been IMO unless they take the WWE/World title matches and make them lame triple threats or fatal four ways and take the anticipation out of the main Rumble match.

Even though it won't happen I bet. Another thing that could bring the Rumble more unpredictability is having one of the titles up for grabs in the Rumble itself much like 1992 which is why 1992 is considered by many as the best Rumble of all time outside of the fact that the booking was great and the roster was stacked.

[LordofDarkness]

Money in the Bank Match: CM Punk, Drew McEntir (However his name's spelled), MVP, The Miz, Kane, Evan Bourn, Randy Orton and Dolph Ziggler with The Miz or Drew being front runners to win.


No Shelton? He makes this match what it is. Dude deserves to win one. I know he isnt great on the mic, but he's not as bad as people make it. They could give him a short title reign, just to say he won it. He deserves it for his ability alone and he has put in the time. He should win MITB and then go to Raw or SD in the draft for a short title reign. Him and Christian stole the show at TLC in the OPENING.


Also, I'm all for a Cena heel turn. Maybe him and Orton team up and be the two man power trip version 2.

[ReD]

Maybe the biggest news in the industry in a long time. Outdoing Hogan going to TNA.

Bret Hart returns home.

http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/14494

One can finally put an end to the speculation regarding Bret Hart returning to WWE--it is going to happen.

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter confirmed that Hart has signed a deal with WWE that makes him available as an on-air character from 1/1/10 through 4/10/10; it essentially means he will work with WWE until just past WrestleMania.

When asked about the situation, Hart "simply told us that he wasn’t going to lie about anything and thus wasn’t going to say anything on the story," noted the Observer.

Talk within WWE circles about bringing Bret Hart back hit a high point earlier this year. Though it is not known if The Hitman ever actually expressed interest in the idea, one storyline plan called for Donald Trump to name Hart the permanent general manager during the period in which he "owned" RAW.

At press time, the belief is that Hart will first emerge on television under the guise of a RAW guest host. A storyline would then result in him working for several months, with the latest indication being that he will work at least one actual match.

[Darkgod]

I heard the rumor is of him being a mentor to the hart dynasty. BTW between me and my friends I called Sheamus being a HW champ within the year. I said it six months ago, and low and behold I was correct.

[voodoo]

I was out of touch with pro wrestling for quite some time now...and couple of days a go i started to get back in touch a bit and holly shit was I in for a surprise when i found out that not only did Umaga died but Bret Hart is signing a deal with the WWE and Hogan is now doing TNA????

[FeindMummy]

Your Signature Voodoo is hot and it creeps me out all at the same time.

[voodoo]

Your Signature Voodoo is hot and it creeps me out all at the same time.

I'm experiencing the same mixed feelings myself :D

[Halcon Loco]

*Laughs like Tony Atlas* That is a bit creepy lol.

BTW guys, who do you want see win the Royal Rumble.

[Aurone]

If the WWE are honest about building new stars (they seem to be, look at Sheamus, McIntyr, Miz and Kingston), I say either they'll have Kofi Kingston who's been on Fire with his fued with Orton, or John Morrison who since going face has become a huge favorite. The question is who would they face at Wrestlemania?

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, cause I don't think Sheamus will be champ at Wrestlemania, as of now anyway.

[Aurone]

I could see Raw's title match being Sheamus defending his title against Kofi Kingston.

[ReD]

Keep Bret away from Santino or anything involving a piss poor 'comedy' segment please.

I don't expect perfection with this angle (though its as big as the invasion or Hogans WWE return) but I think if he's involved in anything regarding what I mentioned above then this has no hope of being good.

It strictly has to be a combination of Bret/Vince or Bret/Shawn or some form of Bret/HD vs DX/Vince. Anything else especially anything involving 'entertaining' comedy segments and it will be a huge fail.

Basically I want a 1997 feel to this angle but that might be too much to bargain for so I'd just hope for something good with no comedy involved.

[Aurone]

If I was doing Bret's return, I would have him shockingly return to the Royal Rumble with no announcment at all. Have him come out, clear the ring, have the Big Show come out next and try and destroy him, only to fall out of the ring by Bret's cleverness. Then HBK comes out and we have a stare down for several seconds. Bret slaps HBK, HBK slaps back, then the fight begins.

Atelast 1 person comes down and gets knocked out of the ring, the fight continues. Shawn manages to get Bret into a Sharpshooter and Bret actually taps. Shawn tries to eliminate him, but Bret breaks free and gives SHawn the Sweet Chin Music and falls on him for over 3 seconds (both having beat the other with there signiture move. Next comes out the Miz and he sneeks to the ring slowly. Eventually, they begin to fight again and when they get to the Ropes, Miz sneeks in and eliminates them both.

Miz then gets the mike and is about to say he's awesome when a PO'd Shawn superkicks him and leaves, then Bret comes in and puts him in the Sharpshooter.

But that's just me.

[voodoo]

Thaat's a bit of a strech i have to say :straightface:

BTW. I herd The Rock is supose to host January 4th's RAW!That true?

[Aurone]

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/43972/steve-dr-death-williams-passes-away.html?p=1

Shit....at 49 years old...I didn't see a lot of his matches, but I remember the ones I did. I think he once tagged with one of the former Freebirds, I remember seeing them face The Eliminators in ECW.

[IrishG3nt]

I HAVENT REALLy WATCHED WRESTLING SINCE....Tatonka...123 kid...ahmed johnson...yuko...BUSHWHACKERS!!...and hacksaw jim duggin..my friend told me about this new dude....Sheamus...fuck all he is a BEAST!!! hahaha


http://sheamusfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/sheamus-238x300.jpg

[Nightmares]

ehhh...he'll be transfered to ECW soon

[FeindMummy]

How do you think this TNA vs. WWE is going to do on Monday? Espically with Brett the Hitman Hart going to be the guest host?

[Darkgod]

ehhh...he'll be transfered to ECW soon

not a chance... not only is he one of the quickest to win the heavyweight title, he is also buds with HHH.

[Darkgod]

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/43972/steve-dr-death-williams-passes-away.html?p=1

Shit....at 49 years old...I didn't see a lot of his matches, but I remember the ones I did. I think he once tagged with one of the former Freebirds, I remember seeing them face The Eliminators in ECW.

he was huge in Japan, his matches there are legendary. IN america his best run was around the time of late 80's for NWA, early WCW. He did an in ring lecture around here about 3 years ago, and its truly one of the things Im pissed I missed.

[FeindMummy]

not a chance... not only is he one of the quickest to win the heavyweight title, he is also buds with HHH.

O snap than you know that he ain't going anywhere.

[Nightmares]

I still doubt so...he'll be gone before you know it...(Sheamus)

[Darkgod]

This Monday is probally the biggest day in wrestling since the purchase of wcw.... can tna do anything?

[3/6]

This Monday is probally the biggest day in wrestling since the purchase of wcw.... can tna do anything?

ya im prolly gonna watch, Just wanna check the hitman.
was a huuuuuuuuge fan of him growing up. Easily my all time favorite wrestler.
I pretty much stopped watching wrestling when Bret left for WCW. Vince :mad:

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, i'm also pumped to watch RAW, it'll be epic. A tear may drip down from my eye lol.

[Aurone]

TNA's not pulling any punches though, I think both Knockout Titles are on the line tommorow night and they're even pulling out the Steel Asylum for live TV.

[FeindMummy]

To be honest I am recording both and I will be in my room watching Secret Life of an American Teenager... It is the season premiere and I will have nothing else to watch cause my husband will kill me if I watch either without him. And to be honest I doubt that Raw is going to be anything special.

[ReD]

Concerning Monday Night. I'll be honest I may watch a few minutes of Impact but if the guys show up that are being tossed around out there then I have significantly less interest in watching.

If TNA is to become a big thing. It has to be TNA being TNA and not being WCW version 2 when its hot initially in the Monday Night Wars then becomes a total crapfest due to the politics inside.

Bret Hart interests me more than any of those guys. Bret Hart IS the bigger story.

All that said, im not expecting perfection but fuck if they put him out there with any of their 'entertaining' aspects such as Santino or Hornswoggle. Those two should have fucked off long ago, I don't care if one is presumably funny and the other has a fanbase of kids.

[Halcon Loco]

I agree with you Redpath, they better not have him do a segment with those two or the Bella Twins. They should've been released along tyme ago IMO, I can't stand them.

[FeindMummy]

The only reason Bret Hart is bigger is because he told Vince where to go after the screw job. The poor guy is beyond his freshness date to wrestle; just like Hulk Hogan. I am sorry but I think that they should be pointing more power on the new guys in TNA rather than getting has beens and big names.

[ReD]

Reasons why Bret Hart IS bigger IMO.

1. The screwjob as pointed out.

2. His rivarly with HBK that went back before the screwjob

3. The first time in 12 years Bret will be stepping foot inside a WWE ring, something he said he would never do again.

4. More of a statement than a reason. He may work one match being at Wrestlemania presumably with Vince in a street fight in which in all likely hood it will be a squash fest much like how HBK/Vince and Hogan/Vince were at Mania

I'd agree with Feind that pushing young talent will be the key but seeing Bret on WWE tv again WITH Vince and/or HBK will be enough at least initially to bring back both fans of Bret and fans of the Attitude Era.

Hogan on the other hand has over saturated himself over the years and if they decide to say dismantle one of their proven ratings winners (the knockouts division) over guys like Hall, Waltman and the like then that won't be the answer either.

They need to have faith in Styles and not make guys like Joe look weak. Moreover both companies need balance at this point.

[Aurone]

I think above all else, WWE has a more historic wrestling event tommorow. Sure, Hogan and the first ever Monday Live TNA show is memorable as the company grows, but the fact that we're seeing Bret Hart in WWE again is honest to god going down in wrestling history for the ages.

[Freddy316]

I might actually watch RAW tomorrow night for the first time in about 6 years.

Bret Hart. :rockin:

[Aurone]

I was in shock and disbelief at the opening for Raw tonight. That was history, plain and simple.

[ReD]

Yeah that was a monumental moment.

Rest of the show was about by the numbers.

TNA was largely hit and miss leaning more towards miss.

[FeindMummy]

TNA sucked so bad last night. I am sorry but why is it even trying with all the big has beens? They are trying to bring back the wheel chair wrestlers that should just stay in the retiring homes. I am sorry but Hulk Hogan was a face and that was it, never really that great of a wrestler and I am having flash backs to WCW with Bishoff and the NWO. I am sorry but I have to say that since Dixie Carter got on the kick of being the face of TNA it is going down hill fast.

I hope that something happens where they kick her the hell out of TNA and they go back to the actual talent in the locker room.

[ReD]

Yep

TNA felt a lot like WCW outside of Styles/Angle and the knockouts.

Its obviously premature but unless TNA decides to be TNA and not WCW or a poor mans version of WWF Attitude then they will follow suit.

[FeindMummy]

I agree. It is sad because they have talent; I fell in love with TNA because of AJ, Joe and all of them. Hell I love Abyss and Tomko as well. I just hope that they don't mess it up...
But I would love to see some of the guys keep wrestling but I mean does anyone but me fell that Hulk Hogan wasn't that great of a wrestler? I mean he never did it for me... He was like a wanna be Ric Flair that just happened to have had sex appeal at the time. It is sad that they are talking about him being so huge more than Ric Flair...

[Aurone]

I said it before and I'll say it again, if TNA dosn't change soon, we will see The Rise and Fall of TNA DVD this decade.

[Halcon Loco]

True that Aurone.

[Aurone]

WWE just announced Feburary 1st's guest host and here's a hint:


KHAAAAAAAAAAN!

[Halcon Loco]

William Shatner lol.

[Greedope]

Yeah, I totally got to meet the Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiasi on Monday. It was Awesome! He is, in my opinion, the best WWF villain ever.

http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/uhm/picture.php?albumid=601&pictureid=11162

[Nightmares]

Yeah, I totally got to meet the Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiasi on Monday. It was Awesome! He is, in my opinion, the best WWF villain ever.

http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/uhm/picture.php?albumid=601&pictureid=11162

:2thumbs:


as far as TNA...the sooner they go under,the better

[Greedope]

Just letting everyone know, I just put up a top ten wrestlers list on my podcast. Click the link in my signature if you feel like checking it out.

[Nightmares]

:negative:

[Aurone]

While it didn't make TNA skyrocket, there 6 sided ring is what made them unique and different compared to other companies. Well, they're losing it tonight for the standard 4 sided ring at there Genesis PPV.

[Halcon Loco]

Jerry Springer is hosting RAW on Feb. 15th, Suhweet. Be cool if Steve Wilkos joins to.

[Aurone]

They should get Bruce Cambell to guest host.

[Halcon Loco]

That would be cool, tyme will tell.

[Misfit]

words cant describe bret harts return

[Halcon Loco]

It is rumored that Edge is returning at Royal Rumble

[voodoo]

While it didn't make TNA skyrocket, there 6 sided ring is what made them unique and different compared to other companies. Well, they're losing it tonight for the standard 4 sided ring at there Genesis PPV.

Hogan&Bischof are forcing that change

[Halcon Loco]

Wow. I saw a guy that looked like The Skinner today at a In and Out Burger.

[Aurone]

Awesome Kong might be gone from TNA. Bobba Love Strange or whatever the fuck his name is, was at TNA and said some shit about Haiti, she beat the holy piss out of him. She was sent home at yesterday's Impact taping and hasn't been seen at todays. While I will admit some professionalism wouldn't hurt, losing Kong could be one of the worst things they could do, she's one of the best woman workers they got.

[Halcon Loco]

I doubt she'll get released. She'll be on the nxt show or two.

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, nevermind. She wants to leave the company.

[Aurone]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/128249/Chris-Jericho-&-Gregory-Helms-Mug-Shots.htm

Jericho and Hemsley where both busted in Kentucky for DUI. Is it just me or does Gregery look like Jesus in that pic? I think I know a new gimmick for him.

[Halcon Loco]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/128249/Chris-Jericho-&-Gregory-Helms-Mug-Shots.htm

Jericho and Hemsley where both busted in Kentucky for DUI. Is it just me or does Gregery look like Jesus in that pic? I think I know a new gimmick for him.

Eh I see why you would say that he looks like Jesus lol. And CM Punk already has that gimmick :nono:

So what are your predictions for the Royal Rumble?

[Aurone]

A lot of people are looking for either Cena, HHH or Micheals to win, I say John Morrison shocks everyone and wins.

[Shreds_of_Flesh]

http://www.wrestlingnewsdesk.com/WND/images/stories/story%20files/1227/SO%20CAL%20VAL%20Naked.jpg

Makes me wanna watch TNA :pcjerk:

[ReD]

Going with the safe unfortunate bet that its going to be HHH but I hope im wrong.

[Aurone]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/tv_reports/128566

There's all that went down tonight, check it out if you want to know.

[Halcon Loco]

This Royal Rumble was a fun watch. What did you think of it Aurone?

[Aurone]

Havn't seen it, but from what I heard, it was a bit surprising.

[TacK]

Wrestlemania 2011 in Atlanta WOOOOO. I do not watch wrestling at all anymore but I have waited for years for Mania to come close enough to me for me to attend. I would have went to Orlando when it was there but at that time I didn't have a job.

[Halcon Loco]

Tonights ECW, Vince McMahon will give a speech about the future of ECW.

[Darkgod]

Hint: Its shutting down after mania.

[DMHead777]

Sigh, I remember the days of WCW, WWF, and ECW. Wrestling was shit when the WWF bought WCW and ECW. Terrible..

[Halcon Loco]

ECW being called NXT Wrestling... Hmm.

[Darkgod]

fucking dumb

[Halcon Loco]

And your new NXT Champion... Yoshi Tatsu!!!... Yea sounds dumb.

[Nightmares]

I personally dont see the need for ECW...it lost all its glory years ago.

[Halcon Loco]

Yea, true that, at first I was excyted about it, but now, it has to go.

[Darkgod]

yeah i agree with that, but nxt is even dumber

[Aurone]

Vince McMahon never intended to have ECW be what it was, it was just his means of getting back the cash and TV time he gave out to ECW when he let Heyman and the extremists have some time on Raw.

Anyways, here's my current predictions for Wrestlemania.

Chris Jericho defends his newly won World title against Edge.

Randy Orton defends his newly won WWE title against Ted DiBiase

Shawn finally snaps completly and turns on HHH which leads to a 1 on 1 match.

John Cena steps up for Bret Hart and Batista sticks with McMahon, and the 2 have the rematch with Hart and McMahon in opposing corners.

Undertaker will challenge some younge guy, maybe Sheamus, John Morrison or CM Punk.

No idea on the Money in the bank match yet.

This is all still speculation, anything can change by Elimination chamber.

[Halcon Loco]

Vince McMahon never intended to have ECW be what it was, it was just his means of getting back the cash and TV time he gave out to ECW when he let Heyman and the extremists have some time on Raw.

Anyways, here's my current predictions for Wrestlemania.

Chris Jericho defends his newly won World title against Edge.

Randy Orton defends his newly won WWE title against Ted DiBiase

Shawn finally snaps completly and turns on HHH which leads to a 1 on 1 match.

John Cena steps up for Bret Hart and Batista sticks with McMahon, and the 2 have the rematch with Hart and McMahon in opposing corners.

Undertaker will challenge some younge guy, maybe Sheamus, John Morrison or CM Punk.

No idea on the Money in the bank match yet.

This is all still speculation, anything can change by Elimination chamber.

Those are good predictions. And for the MITB, we all know that Shelton Benjamin will be in it.

[Halcon Loco]

After hearing about NXT, it has me interested in watching it. You guys read about it?

[LordofDarkness]

WM card prediction

Edge vs. Jericho for the World title
Sheamus vs. HHH for the WWE title
John Cena w/Bret Hart vs. Batista w/Vince McMahon
Legacy triple threat Orton vs. Dibiase vs. Rhodes
HBK vs. Undertaker
Dont care about the womens matches
Miz/Big Show vs. MVP/Mark Henry for the Unified Tag Titles
MITB - Benjamin, Kofi, Punk, Kane, Swagger, Morrison, McIntyre, Truth, Ziggler

I would say an ECW title match but I'm not sure about the direction they're gonna take the title in once it's gone in a couple weeks. Christian will be on the card some where. Im not sure how many people are gonna be in MITB. I think it was 9 last year. HBK vs HHH also might be a possibility, but i dont think they would be building up HBK's "do whatever it takes to get Taker at WM" angle, and then not deliver. Michaels will somehow cost Taker the title at EC where Jericho will pick up the win. I dont think Taker is going to face someone young, who would obviously lose. I think he'll retire with the undefeated streak.

But the card above is just my prediction based on what they're building up. Also might not be a Tag title match, Miz could be in the MITB. Seems like theyre pushing him to the sky to be holding 3 belts (actually 2 but you know), also Mysterio is missin from the card, but like i said I dk how many people will be in MITB or who. Just my guesses.

[Halcon Loco]

Good predictions. And for a tag team match, it myte be only seen in Arizona. Because I remember last Wrestlemania, Carlitos and Primos tag match was a dark match. We'll have to wait and see what happens with Rey Mysterio and Christain. I can't wait for Wrestlemania, because I live in AZ and attending it.

[ReD]

I've been enjoying the intensity so far from the Vince/Bret feud. I know many people across the wrestling community bitch about the crowds more or less not giving a damn about Bret. Could it be because time has passed Bret by or is it because its a different generation of viewers who pop big for a guy like Cena but have really no idea who Bret is or was.

Either way, I could give a fuck because I think the feud has worked well so far because its being treated seriously. Possibly bringing Cena and Batista along the way is probably done to kill two birds with one stone. Setup a feud between them while keeping the workload to a minimum for Bret in case he can't really give it a complete 100%.

On a side note, Raw over the last two weeks or so has been good.

[LordofDarkness]

I agree red. Then again Vince usually straightens up and puts out a better product right before Wrestlemania to try and get more viewers. He was going no where with the Hornswaggle BS. Also, the crowds dont just suck in the Bret and Vince capacity. They suck every show just about. No big pops what so ever. The ONLY decent pops ANYONE gets, is Cena, Orton, DX(sometimes not even them), and Taker. They are the only ones who get any kind of pop weekly. CM punk, Jericho, and Miz get some good heat most of the time, but not always. Fans just arent the same as they used to be. For Bret though would probably be a different story if they were in Canada. Hell the Rock could come back tomorrow and he wouldn't get the pop he used to get. (Which he is supposed to come back some time this year)

[Aurone]

After last monday, I think WWE will go with HHH vs Shawn Michaels. As to weather or not it's for the title is questionable, but I think they're gonna go in that direction.

[ReD]

Fans just arent the same as they used to be.

Without a doubt.

A lot has been made of it over the years and many reasons come about as to why that is.

1. Repetitive in nature.

2. No feuds that really establish even the low/midcard guys as legit threats that the fans can get behind to cheer or boo. Back in the Attitude Era, fans were electric for even the biggest of scrubs. Some of it was gimmick but some of it was just utilizing the talent in the company to the best of their ability. Nowadays the faces give off the same look and gesture. The heels for the most part do the same with small differences (Jericho being an elitest, Punk being a straight edge and Orton being a maniac).

3. The buzz simply isn't there anymore. Back in the Attitude Era. Half the reason people got involved was because the volume of the product went way up and it caught a generation of fans by surprise that stood by for a good 3-5 years. Now you watch 2010 WWE and you go back and watch 2008 WWE. You have mostly the same shit over and over.

People like to put the blame on the PG era of doing things but I honestly don't believe that going back to TV-14 would solve the problem. The product started eroding back in late 01.

Then you have TNA and well even when they go to Monday Nights permanently. I'm not sure that Hogan and Bischoff will put up with much failure before they decide to make it a reality for them to be involved more often than not on TV.

[Edge]

WWE is ok as of right now. They for once are changing things up, and Cena is not in the title run really(Unless he wins at the elimintation chamber.....which he better not), They have Sheamus the WWE champ, they got rid of ECW, and Bret vs Vince is actually exciting. I am going to Wrestlmania in may and I am really excited.

TNA was great up till when Hogan came into the picture. Hulk kinda killed what made TNA compete with the WWE. TNA has great young talent which is not being overshadowed by all these old people hulk is bringing in. I mean who cares about the Nasty boyz? Scott Hall is out of shape, I have lost my respect for Jeff hardy, and Mick Foley is a joke now. I am glad AJ Styles is the Champ, I love Daniels, and Somoa Joe. Focus on the young talent or TNA will fall just like WCW.

[Halcon Loco]

Yea the crowds are pathetic, i'm gonna try to start up some chants at WM, see if the crowd follows or not.

[Edge]

Yea the crowds are pathetic, i'm gonna try to start up some chants at WM, see if the crowd follows or not.

Where you seatin

[Aurone]

You guys want to see some awesome women's wrestling? Look up IWA Queen of the Deathmatch. Someones got the entire 2006 tournament in videos and.....you will not see the Diva's bleed like that ever. I shit you not. The best match was the first one between Mickie Knuckles and Ann Thraxxx in a Un-lucky 13 staples match. Plus, Sexxxy Eddie fills in for a woman, damn that guy is funny as hell, and can take some hits.

[Halcon Loco]

I think I heard of IWA. And lol Sexxxy Eddie, I remember him from CZW.

[Halcon Loco]

What the Hell is Vince thinking. Survivor Series has been dropped and the plan is to do more themed PPV's. WWE currently has a survey where they ask interest in the following themed events:

http://www.wweresearch.com/se.ashx?s=0B8801401E2BC294

Tournament Event (Single elimination "bracket style" where Superstars would compete in multiple matches during the night to become the Tournament winner.)

Battle Bowl Event (Random tag-teams compete together - sometimes arch rivals - with the winning teams being put in a 2-ring Battle Royal. The winner could potentially receive a championship title match.)

Money in the Bank Event (The main event match requires Superstars to climb a ladder and retrieve a briefcase hung high above the ring. The winner can "cash in" the briefcase for a championship title shot throughout the year. Qualifying matches earlier in the event will determine participants for the "Money in the Bank" match.)

Legends Event (Match participants would include WWE Legends from the past.)

Roulette Event (Main event match stipulations would be determined by the spin of a roulette-type wheel.)

War Games Event (Teams of 5 collide in 2 cages. 2 participants begin the match with a new participant added every 5 minutes. This process is alternated between teams until all members from both teams are present.)

WWE Draft Event (WWE's annual Draft where Superstars and Divas learn which brand they'll be a part of for the next year. The Draft is often the beginning of new conflicts and matchups.)

Street Fight Event (Main events would include"street fight" matches where there are no disqualifications and pin-falls count anywhere. Superstars often compete in normal street clothes.)

[Nightmares]

I must admit,Survivor Series is my least fave of the WWE PPV's

[Edge]

Survivor Series is one of the top 4 ppv of the year for the wwe, I have no idea what he is thinking. I always wanted a war games, but change another ppv instead. This is WWE trying to be more like TNA, which right now they don't need to do.

[Misfit]

bring back the king of the ring tourney and make it the full ppv not just the final round which they started to do last going off