MLB Season...

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Starting to wind down. Handful of weeks left in August combined with September. With the Sox, I've always been like most, doom and gloom and again I have to stand by that.

The Gagne trade has been a disaster. He hasnt had a clean inning of work since the trade. He's blown 2 saves and lost 3 games for them. Especially after a doubleheader where you had a chance to sweep and you come back only to watch him throw 50 pitches and give up a lead because they guy cant throw anything but a meatball fastball.

Oh and the Willy Mo trade a year ago, a waste even though Arroyo has come back down to earth. The lead is at 5 games but unless it gets bigger I expect the Sox like clockwork to fold vs. the Yankees when they meet if not before then.

But eh

Fans will always have 04 I suppose.

[skybrick]

huh, If i know Sox fans theyll say "we'll get those fuckers in the playoffs", take a swig of Sam Adams, "ARod chokes dick along with cluth at bats".

[Cannibal]

Gagne has been a waste. Whatever the problem with him is, he needs to get it in check and turn things around.

[Joker]

My Twins arent doing so good just hovering around .500 just not playing good enough for a playoff spot.too bad I guess,I had high hopes this year too.

What really makes me mad is that you would think they would bring in some talent and reward the fans for the new stadium they are getting from tax payer dollers,but no.

[skybrick]

My Twins arent doing so good just hovering around .500 just not playing good enough for a playoff spot.too bad I guess,I had high hopes this year too.

What really makes me mad is that you would think they would bring in some talent and reward the fans for the new stadium they are getting from tax payer dollers,but no.

The problem is that Johan wasn't dominate at the start of the season, and Liariano is still hurt. If the keep those two pitchers, Mauer, Hunter and Morenau, I expect them to make the playoffs next year.

[Get Some]

sox lead is 7.5 games now and depending on the outcome could be 8 going in the series so i highly doubt you'll see the sox fold

[H78]

Can't wait to see Clemens get owned by Beckett tonight.

Perfect way for the bastard to end his career - going back to NY only to have the Yankees miss the playoffs for the first time in over a decade!

[loversdie]

F the yankees. They're not making the playoffs. Go Mariners!

[Il Duce]

All i know is that the Phils swept the Met's for the second time in a row this year only 2 gamesback now.

[koolmike]

:mecry:

[H78]

:mecry:

M-E-T-S: Must End The Season

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Cant say I didnt expect the Sox to be swept in NY. I thought they would atleast take 1 game but to leave in a sweep was pretty pathetic. The same reaccuring problem happened again throughout the series. The Sox are pathetic vs. lefties and in general, are capable of being shutout by anyone. Granted Pettite and Clemens are no slouches but the Sox hitters looked baffled.

Drew is turning out to be a 14 million dollar a year failure while Manny is hurt and they have very little power numbers from the lineup. If the Sox choke up the division and a chance at the playoffs, it will be because of the aenemic lineup which they've failed to tweak.

You're still up 5 games with 20 plus to play. Nevertheless, they need to fix it fast and when the Yanks come back here in a couple weeks, the lead must expand.

[Scaremonger]

Unfortunately the Brewers were officialy denied post season play after last night. At the very least, they were in the hunt up to the end. The Cubs tried very hard to give the division to them.. Brewers just couldn't take it in the end, blowing it against Atlanta and San Diego.

Lots to look forward to though - Prince Fielder knocks out 50 ding dongs, and many of them absolutely monstrous. Then there's Ryan Braun with a shot at Rookie of the Year. He got called up after the start of the season - late May, and his numbers were very impressive, and comparable to Barry Bonds in his prime. The bullpen needs some upgrading, but the starting pitching should be pretty solid. I expect to see some reconfiguring in the batting line-up, with Geoff Jenkins and a couple others probably gone.

Though in the end an overall average season record wise, things are hopefully looking up a bit more around here.

[Joker]

Disappointing season for the Twins,and now I dont know whats going to happen in the off-season are they going to resign fan favorites Hunter and Santana both are very much needed for future success as well as a top notch DH.
What really pisses me off is the Twins have one of the richest owners of all sports and one of the cheapest.He is going to get a brand new stadium built for him,so the least he should want to do is reward the fans with bringing in top talent.

I just dont understand it,a person has more money than they could possily spend,and they own a team and they still dont want to spend any money so it can compete.I guess thats why they're multi billionaires and I am not.

[skybrick]

You know the Twins through think and thin have always found the best pitchers and Kevin Slowley will be top notch and theyll bring in other guys like they always do. Sign Hunter and trade Santana thats what I say.

[H78]

*Waits for KMike's reaction to the Amazin' New York Mess* :wideeye:

[Max Payne]

Tori Hunter or Arod will be a Red Sox next year, maybe both.

[koolmike]

There's always next year.

:die:


Seems like I gotta say that every year.

F Bosox :D

[koolmike]

*Waits for KMike's reaction to the Amazin' New York Mess* :wideeye:


<---still in shock.

[skybrick]

The Rockies and Padres are playing a one gamer to see who goes to the playoffs.
How exciting is that?

[cmurdur]

well, because there is only 3 or 4 nameable players on both the teams combined, I don't care who wins.

[H78]

Tori Hunter or Arod will be a Red Sox next year, maybe both.

I'm going to go ahead and say you're wrong on the Hunter thing, and I'm willing to put $20 in it.

We have two center fielders. We don't need three.

I'm willing to bet that Crisp will be a Brave and Ellsbury will be patrolling CF at Fenway.

[Max Payne]

Yea but the Twins want a good young CF on the cheap, no one fits that bill better then Coco Crisp, overall he's been quite the disapointment.

Also Andrew Jones wont be back in ATL, thats another option availible to the Red Sox

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Well Yanks are gonzo.

ALCS

Sox over Tribe in 6

NLCS

Rockies over D'Backs in 6

[Joker]

ALCS

Tribe over the Sox in 6

NLCS

Rockies over D'Backs in 7


Good to see the Yankees GONE!

[Joker]

Well I thought Torre would have been fired by now,I say by the end of the week for sure.


215 million dollar payroll is insane-baseball needs to be capped.

[Max Payne]

Lugo and Crisp both have to go.

Drew is borderline, he has the talent and might be worth taking one more year on him.

Need two more pitchers.

Youk is a good blue collar guy but they gotta find someone with more pop, these guys all are folding in the big time and some of them have sucked all year.

Joe Torre will be the Manage of the Boston Red Sox if the Yankees fire him, if the Sox do not get to the Series it will happen this year, assuming the Yankees are dumb enough to fire him and let him have that opertunity.

[DeathBanana]

Damn, my boys need to do a 3 game sweep... hey, we've done better than that before so it's possible.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

oooh its gonna be good laughin' in the Fans Of the Sox's when they lose.

[Max Payne]

If Beckett gets them a win, then anything can happen coming back to Fenway.

[DeathBanana]

That's right. I do have a much higher confidence in Beckett than in Wakefield... someone tell that guy to get another pitch to mix things up a bit!

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Doesnt really matter how well Beckett pitches because since Game 2, the Sox bats outside of Ortiz, Rameriz, Youk and Lowell have shown no ability to hit with guys on base.

Dont score runs you dont win ball games, you dont score runs for your pitchers. You dont win ball games.

If the Sox get it back to Fenway, anything can happen but I dont think they want to trust a Dice K starting in Game 7.

[koolmike]

:lol: @ Bosox

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Bosox were probably overrated all year as usual.

Beckett was the only consistant pitcher they had.

And their bats were putrid at the backend of the order. JD Flop in particular.

[Max Payne]

Not sure about overrated considering they finished tied with the best record.

Lets do a quick run down

Lugo
Crisp
Drew
Pedroria

sometimes

Youkilis

most times

Varitek

Those guyd are either down right terrible or not very good offensivly and it's showing in the playoffs because pitching it better.

Arod wont be with the Yankees if there serious about not signing him if he opts out, and it's a good sign that the Red Sox pushed real hard for him in 2003 before the Yankees were even in the pitcher, and with Manny on the decline and in his last few years of his contract, Im not sure they can afford to let a offensive talent like this pass them by.

Why Give Lowell a contract of 4 years at close to 100 Mil when you can have Arod who is younger for longer and you know he will give you the nuembers, in Fenway he might hit 75 home runs in a single year.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Overrated pitching wise.

My bad.

Good team they were, but the pitching as shown here and the last two months of the season or so has been suspect to putrid.

[cmurdur]

I heard that Beckett's ex will sing the National Anthem tonight.

[Max Payne]

Even though he rejected the offer the Yankees gave him, he was still pushed out.

Joe Torre was offered a deal the Yankees knew he wouldn't accept and thus he rejected it and they save face of firing him instead.

Like I said, if the Sox don't win the WS Torre might be a possibility for them, if he is availible next year and they have another disapointing ending, I think if Torre isn't the manager then someone other then Francona is.

[Max Payne]

Sox just got robbed on that non home run call and there trying there fucking hardest to detroy Manny character.

Obvioulsy there trying to sell the Indians right now because if they goto the WS they need someone to watch.

Bullshit and that better not cost them the game.

EDIT

It's gonna be hard not to kill someone if Lugo and Crisp are on the Sox roster next year.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Sox can still probably win tonight but they wont win the series because Cleveland will score runs either off of Schilling or whoever isnt named Beckett in Game 7.

Once you get past Lowell, the lineup is pretty bad. Tampa Bay Devil Ray bad.

[Max Payne]

Other then the two 7 run innings, the series has been fairly even so I dont think it's over yet.

Need 6 more outs and Schiling needs to go out and be the guy were use to him being and if you have game 7 anything can happen.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Outside of the middle 3 guys in the lineup.

I dunno how any Sox fan can feel confident in anyone producing runs. All Cleveland has to do is score 5-6 guns and its game over barring a sudden surge or maybe an Ellsbury playing in game 6.

[Max Payne]

Because there going home to Fenway where all these line drives that hung in the air would fall and thus the batters won't look at pathetic.

Not to mention I wouldnt doubt if we see Cora for Lugo and definitley Elsbury for Crisp and you gotta believe it's not going to be worse then what weve seen so far.

If Schiling goes 7 giving up 2 or less then that's all you can ask for him and hope everyone else does there jobs, so really if they win this game and get to game 6 it all is on him.

[DeathBanana]

Well, the positive way to look at things would be to say that the line-up outside of the core are due for a shit-load of hits. I mean, they have to step it up eventually, right? So why not when the games go back to Fenway!

I can't wait to see how Elsbury is gonna handle himself, as he has so much potential. I think Curt can hold the line for us, and if we start producing the hits that we're due for, we might just win this series.

[Max Payne]

One more game, I can't remember even going past my time the last time the Sox played a game at Fenway with a trip to the World Series on the line.

Dice K better be up for the pressure because there is going to be a ton, hopefully the offense plays the way they did tonight.

[opterasis]

Well, the positive way to look at things would be to say that the line-up outside of the core are due for a shit-load of hits. I mean, they have to step it up eventually, right? So why not when the games go back to Fenway!

I

I'd have to say that's exactly what happened tonight. Ramirez and Ortiz got 3 walks, other than that, I think Ortiz only had 1 hit?

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Gotta be able to get to a junk pitcher like Westbrook.

I expect Dice K to go 3 innings tops, 2 if he gives up a run.

[Max Payne]

I think he has a better game then that.

[DeathBanana]

It's good to know that they're considering Beckett for relief tomorrow... I mean I hope Dice K can get his mojo going for us and all, but if he can't I'm glad that we have good relief.

[Beware]

Am I the only one that whole heartedly hates the Sox? I mean I couldn't care any less about baseball, but that entire team comes off way too cocky. I would love to give Big Papi or whatever a bitch slap across the face.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

If Dice K gets into immediate trouble. Francona better have someone warming and not wait until Dice K has given the Indians a sizeable lead like 4-0.

[Duff McCartney]

Am I the only one that whole heartedly hates the Sox? I mean I couldn't care any less about baseball, but that entire team comes off way too cocky. I would love to give Big Papi or whatever a bitch slap across the face.

I just flat out hate the Sox...and their fans too.

[Max Payne]

Yea but your a Yankee fan and your completely obvlious to the jack ass behavior of New Yorkers and even some of the Yankee players.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Think the hate goes both ways.

I think everyone can respectfully agree there. In fact, im not so sure anyone can 'like' a fanbase from any opposing team. Doesnt make too much sense to me. Hate on the other hand, is a different word.

[opterasis]

I just flat out hate the Sox...and their fans too.

Thanks doll, love you too.

[skybrick]

Dont need to be talkin about this Clev Sox series because The Rockies will end up sweepin them like every other team.

[Scaremonger]

People around here have a minor love for the Indians. Partly due to 'Major League' being filmed here, but earlier in the season the Indians couldn't play at their stadium due to some problems, so they played a series of home games at Miller Park in Milwaukee. Tickets sold pretty well, and fans cheered them. Strange, but true.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Sox lucky to have the lead.

Dice K was pretty average yet again. Second time through the lineup and he gets torched.

Course, they also cant hit a junkball pitcher in Westbrook. Or they can hit him but hit into double plays when it counts.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Francona waits until Okie lets two on before going to Paps.

Good idea.

:die:

[Max Payne]

You haven't come in and eatten your crow yet?

3 outs from the World Series...

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Sounds good but as you said, 3 outs.

[opterasis]

Yeah, with 2 7 run innings this series, I'll start my celebrating after the final strike.

Those 2 runs were some nice padding though.

[opterasis]

And it keeps getting sweeter. :)

[Max Payne]

Long lay off will hurt the Rockies more then anything the Red Sox can throw at them, except maybe Beckett.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Well its over.

I honestly thought they were shit outta luck with Dice K tonight. He pitched decent enough but certainly not good enough for the 100 million they purchased him at. Second time through an opposing teams lineup and they scorch him.

Nevertheless, I think they can overcome Dice K woes in the WS.

Sox in 6 over a very hot Rockies team but I wont be surprised if it goes 7.

[opterasis]

Needless to say, I'm damn happy considering the way I thought the series was going around game 4

[Max Payne]

Gotta win 4 more.

[steelba]

Indians choked out huh?

[Joker]

Sox/Rockies gonna be a great series,I wouldnt bet on either team.


Damn,Boston fans musta sold their souls to the Devil or somethin,Baseball ,Most likely Football and a good chance of Basketball all could be champions.

[Beware]

What a shame, the team deserving to win doesn't and the team that needs to just fade away into obscurity won.

Here is to hoping the Rockies fuck up the Sox.

And I am not even a baseball fan.

[opterasis]

And as soon as the game ended, I got an email from Dicks sporting goods red sox/ rockies promo stuff.

[Duff McCartney]

Yea but your a Yankee fan and your completely obvlious to the jack ass behavior of New Yorkers and even some of the Yankee players.

I'm not oblivious I'm sure some Yankee fans are jackasses too...being a douche bag fan isn't good regardless if they root for my team or not.

I'm just saying I hate the Red Sox...and their fans..and I'm not eating crow either..I never predicted the Sox would lose. I hope they do lose to the Rockies though.

[Max Payne]

Lets hope not....

Yanks dropped two world series to two expansion teams and I don't know if I could handle the same thing.

[DeathBanana]

What a great game tonight! Dice K did enough, but he didn't surpass any expectations. So, I think in the last 3 games we outscored the Indians 30ish runs to 5 runs. Absolutely sick.

Manny and Ortiz weren't on fire, but we got the runs pumping through no problemo. I'm loving this, and the fact that the Pats destroyed Miami today is icing to the cake. Gotta love Boston.

I'm stoked about the world series, but I'm sure the Rockies are gonna be a tough obstacle. Hopefully our pitching will hold up and the bats will continue to fly.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Sox have now come back from 3-1 defecits 3 times in their history.

Pretty good stuff. Cant always be the other team choked. Without Beckett, they dont make it to the WS.

[koolmike]

Go Rockies!

[Max Payne]

I remember one tme when Epstien quit because he felt like Luchino didn't respect him and didn't let him feel like he had any say or any power? Then John Henry got involved and got him back on board.

Even when away from the team, the people in charge of getting trades and FA involved were consulting Epstien on what he thought.

Needless to say, Epstien would of rathed kept Hanley Ramaeriz (last years NL rookie of the year) and sign AJ Burnett instead of trading for Josh Becket.

Im glad he was out of office for a month, that certainly would of sucked.

[koolmike]

Epstein?

http://www.roberthegyes.com/bobby6.jpg









What about Freddy "Boom-Boom" Washington :D

[Max Payne]

Theo Epstien, aka GM of the Boston Red Sox

[steelba]

Hope The Rockies win tonight.

[thrEE6MAfia]

i hate baseball but my sister is a die hard red sox fan..
so go ROCKIES!!!

[opterasis]

So far, so good for my sox!

[opterasis]

Can we say slaughter?

[steelba]

Sox spanked the Rockies.

[DeathBanana]

Hope The Rockies win tonight.

Hey if winning means ending the game with 12 runs less than the other team, the Rockies won!

Beckett is insane. The Sox love to score a shitload of runs don't they :)

[Max Payne]

Only gonna get better next year when Arod jumps ship....

Still, gotta get 3 more of these.

[Joker]

I didnt get to watch the game but does anyone know if that score was a record for a world series game.

[Max Payne]

just game 1 i believe

[skybrick]

Shows how much better the AL is then the NL.
The Rockies are certainly the best NL team and I think any other playoff team in the AL could beat the Rockies in a 7 game series.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Only gonna get better next year when Arod jumps ship....

Long as he doesnt swim to our ship. I'll be fine with him jumping the NYY ship.

Good as he is. Everywhere hes been, the team hasnt won when its counted.

Cursed vibe he brings with him.

[Apocalypse]

I'm a Boston fan. They will sweep the series. Then my Denver Broncos will win the superbowl.

[Max Payne]

Actually the fact that Boston wanted Arod Desperately and even convinced him to dump a shit load of his salarly to play for us (until the union got involved) tells me that Boston will push hard for him.

Ask your self, do you really want to give Lowell a 4 year 45 million dollar deal and hope he doesn't regress, or sign Arod at a 10 year deal with options throwing in there?

As a pat fan I would of thought your opinions on disgruntle players would atleast come with a glass half full attitude.

Arod would his 70 home runs playing a full season in Fenway.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

But do you trust him to hit a HR in the posteason when it counts.

[Max Payne]

He doesn't have to, not with Ortiz and Manny hitting in front of him.

It would work a hell of a lot better in Boston then it has in NY, he doesn't have to be the guy because no one here would expect him to be.

Like I said, the fact that Boston wanted him bad, makes me believe there going to field a serious offer for him.

[DeathBanana]

2 more outs and we're 2-0!

[Max Payne]

A 2-1 game, in the world series, there is your pitching.

That was a awesome game.

Two games and the Sox win in two differnt ways, gotta hurt the Rockies pysch if they get blown out then lose a pitching battle the following day.

[steelba]

They'll win game 3.

[Max Payne]

Sox?

Prolly, Dice K will without a doubt benefit from these hitters barely seeing them, if ever, I can't remember if they faced him back in June.

[DeathBanana]

But we're gonna lose Youklis in Colorado, as Ortiz needs to play first... we'll still kick ass though.

[Duff McCartney]

Looks like the Red Sox have this in the bag. It's a dark day in sports when the Red Sox win...it was a dark day in 04 and it'll be a dark day again in 07.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Meh

Yanks won alot of titles throughout their history and like the Sox, spent alot of money to do it. No longer are the Sox the directionless franchise they were for decades and decades prior even though I still feel more pessimistic about them then most of the other boston based franchises.

For some outside the box, the Sox winning might be upsetting because its not a common thing. When the Cubs win it all finally. It will be a big moment in sports. Probably even bigger.

I will give them cudos when they win as most Yankee fans did for a brief, albeit brief moment back in 04 for the Sox.

[DeathBanana]

I think we're gonna take this game too, just a couple more innings... Dice K did decent enough, even got a hit. Elsbury is really sick, got 4 hits thus far tonight I believe. If we get to 3-0 I'm gonna love it.

[H78]

1 more win.

I love it. Enjoy the taste, Yankee fans!

[Max Payne]

The best part about all this, next year the Sox still have a better team then the Yanks.

Sox gotta get a trade done in the winter meetings for a starting pitcher, and find one more good bat and next year they should be good to repeat.

Still, get this done in 4.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Lester will give the Rockies a chance to stay alive for atleast one more game.

Only thing Lester has going for him is the Rockies havent seen him. Other than that, hes usually a walk machine. Nevertheless, I hope its over in 4.

[H78]

Max-

I don't understand why so many Sox fans have that idea that you have - about acquiring a FA pitcher in the offseason.

I think we'll be good with what we already have, to be honest with you.

Beckett
Matsuzaka
Buchholz
Lester
Wakefield

That sounds like a solid rotation to me. Beckett is a no brainer, while Matsuzaka and Lester you gotta figure will have better years next year with a full year of service under their belts. Wake will be Wake, and Buchholz will likely have at least an average first year for a rookie SP (At worst for this guy I figure 4.15 ERA, 150 K, 13-11....though with his stuff, 3.80, 175 K, 15-10 seems completely doable).

[skybrick]

Do you smell that?

I think its a rockies comeback.

[cmurdur]

I certainly hope so. this could be the last day my "Got rings?" shirt will be 100% accurate.

[cmurdur]

I love it. Enjoy the taste, Yankee fans!
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p292/mroctober518/Yankees/421205.jpg
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/mlb/2004/0509/photo/pedro_grady_i.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/sambanks3/boone_home_run.jpg

[H78]

Cmurdur..

Notice how grainy those photos are looking?

:lol:

[steelba]

Sox swept it...

[DeathBanana]

It's looking very good for us once again. Bottom of the 8th, 4 to 1... yeah I'm feeling quite good. No guarantee though.

[DeathBanana]

Ok now it's a one run game... they're gonna make us work for this one.

[Joker]

Damn!That sucks!
F'in Cleveland.

[Max Payne]

Lowell at third next year and Arod returning to short stop for the Sox, it only gets better from here people.

[opterasis]

Another awsome run by the Sox.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Nice World Series win.

Even though this team had 8 remaining players from the 2004 team. It was a very different team in many ways. I wouldnt call them a dynasty but for the first time since the early 1900s when Boston won 5 of the first 15 World Series before the Yankees became relevant thanks to the Babe Ruth trade. The Red Sox look they could head for the same kind of success that they had in the early 1900s.

Now the 2004 team, labeled the 'Cowboys' or other clever catchphrases. Crashed and burned in the 2005 playoffs. Time will tell if this team crashes and burns in 2008. But for now, im gonna enjoy it while it lasts because like the Pats, it wont last forever.

[koolmike]

Congrats to BOSUX fans :coolbeer:

<---sees A-Rod becoming a Met next year

:D

[H78]

Congrats to BOSUX fans :coolbeer:

<---sees A-Rod becoming a Met next year

:D

A-Rod can pitch?

Well, if you want A-Rod, you can trade Wright or Reyes to us. :D

Oh, and...EAT MY BALLS DUFF AND CMURDUR!!

[koolmike]

A-Rod can pitch?

Well, if you want A-Rod, you can trade Wright or Reyes to us. :D

Wright and Reyes are Mets for life.

Mets have the cash for A-Rod.

[koolmike]

Be a nice way to stick it to the Yanks.

[H78]

Where would you put A-Rod?

[koolmike]

2nd.

[H78]

Yanks aren't going to win 85 games next season. I love it!

[H78]

2nd.

Touche salesman.

[koolmike]

A-Rod, Wright, & Reyes would be nice in the infield.

[H78]

A-Rod, Wright, & Reyes would be nice in the infield.

Yeah, just a bit, haha.

Mets need arms though. They need a reliable stud...they have plenty of 2-5 type of guys, but they need a stopper.

[koolmike]

We need 2-3 more years to be the unstoppable powerhouse the BoSux think they are now :D.

[H78]

We need 2-3 more years to be the unstoppable powerhouse the BoSux think they are now :D.

If the New York Mess ever play the Sox in the series, get me a ticket next to you in NY. I'd be happy to buy you a beer to make you feel better after the Sox steamroll those bums!

[koolmike]

We'll see.

[Duff McCartney]

A-Rod can pitch?

Well, if you want A-Rod, you can trade Wright or Reyes to us. :D

Oh, and...EAT MY BALLS DUFF AND CMURDUR!!

Yeah sure..like you really think the Sox somehow one upped the Yanks.

Come on look at those pictures...has there ever been more heartbreak put on the Sox by the Yanks? The Sox have never come close to giving the Yanks that much heartbreak.

The Yankees will always own the Sox...period. World Series wins are great...but it doesn't erase those heartbreaks. I'm glad the Yanks gave it to the Sox all those times.

[Duff McCartney]

In other news...Yankees offer the manager job to Joe Girardi...good choice. He's the one I wanted them to get.

[dead breed]

I wanted the Rockies to win. My prediction is that they will suck next season tho

[cmurdur]

Oh, and...EAT MY BALLS DUFF AND CMURDUR!!

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[Duff McCartney]

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z154/skyway1972/yankees.jpg

I am not one to bring old rings into the picture...because I know lots of Lakers fans do that to me when my team the Spurs win 4 and the Lakers have 15+ or whatever. But I think it's different for the Yanks and Sox...at least in the Lakers/Spurs...the Spurs never..until recently ever had the talent the Lakers had.

Yanks/Red Sox have always had equal talent. They've both had great players...legends. Yet only one has dominated.

[koolmike]

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:coolbeer:

[H78]

I am not one to bring old rings into the picture...because I know lots of Lakers fans do that to me when my team the Spurs win 4 and the Lakers have 15+ or whatever. But I think it's different for the Yanks and Sox...at least in the Lakers/Spurs...the Spurs never..until recently ever had the talent the Lakers had.

Yanks/Red Sox have always had equal talent. They've both had great players...legends. Yet only one has dominated.

Your justification for not saying the same for the Spurs is so gay.

Poor Duff.

[Duff McCartney]

Your justification for not saying the same for the Spurs is so gay.

Poor Duff.

What are you talking about? Name me 3 legends of the game that have played for the Spurs. You probably couldn't name but two. Robinson and Duncan.

Name 3 legends of the game that played for the Lakers? Hell you could probably name 3 for the 80s alone. Let alone in the past.

[Max Payne]

Umm, baseball is over 50 years older then basketball. Atleast the leauges are.

AND the Sox and Yankees play in the same division, and have always been each others competition going back before there was even playoffs, so its not even close to the same.

For example, if the Sox have to win more games to goto the world series then all the other teams in the AL instead of having playoffs its more difficult that way.

If you want to use the 26 champ thing, then maybe us Sox fans should point out that the sox were the dominit team of the first 20 years and have something the Yankees can never have, and that is the first world series win ever, this back when it was between two actual teams.

And buying championships is something the Yankees have been doing and it since taking the great bambino.

But the Red Sox now have owners who are actually willing to spend the money they make off of the team and what do we have? Two championships in 4 years.

But why would I care about the past? This is something new to Yankee fans, Red Sox winning the world series hits a nerve that causes them to gloat about championships most of them have never even witnessed.

Plus, with the Patriots owning both the Jets and Giants and the Celtics being the equivilent to the Yankees of the NBA I dont see much the Yankee fans have the Sox fans havent had for years.

Thank you that is all.

[Max Payne]

Max-

I don't understand why so many Sox fans have that idea that you have - about acquiring a FA pitcher in the offseason.

I think we'll be good with what we already have, to be honest with you.

Beckett
Matsuzaka
Buchholz
Lester
Wakefield

That sounds like a solid rotation to me. Beckett is a no brainer, while Matsuzaka and Lester you gotta figure will have better years next year with a full year of service under their belts. Wake will be Wake, and Buchholz will likely have at least an average first year for a rookie SP (At worst for this guy I figure 4.15 ERA, 150 K, 13-11....though with his stuff, 3.80, 175 K, 15-10 seems completely doable).


Its widely believed the Sox will offer some kind of offer of Lester, Bucholtz, Crisp and Ellsbury for Johan Santana.

Get that done, and forget about the Yankees for the next decade and concentrate on 4 or so more world series.



By the way the Sox winning the 04 ALCS against the Yanks after being down 0-3 is not only enough heartbreak to match whatever heartbreak the (Yankees) have ever giving the Sox but also a heartbreak of historic proportion.

[Duff McCartney]

Umm, baseball is over 50 years older then basketball. Atleast the leauges are.

That wasn't my point...my point was bringing in past championships which I never did. I think it's bullshit to do that...in basketball that is....but I think it's bullshit to dismiss it in baseball....as far as the Yanks and Sox are concerned.

You just said the Red Sox/Yanks are in the same division....they've also both had legends of the game to play for them...but only one team has dominated and that's the Yanks.

The distinction I was making was that the reason I dismiss it in basketball with the Lakers and Spurs is because the Lakers have had 3 or 4 times as many legends of the game than the Spurs have.

If you want to use the 26 champ thing, then maybe us Sox fans should point out that the sox were the dominit team of the first 20 years and have something the Yankees can never have, and that is the first world series win ever, this back when it was between two actual teams.

Who gives a crap about winning the first World Series? I doubt you even know who won the first NBA Finals without looking it up. Here's a hint...it wasn't a Boston team.

But why would I care about the past? This is something new to Yankee fans, Red Sox winning the world series hits a nerve that causes them to gloat about championships most of them have never even witnessed.

I wasn't gloating about past championships...all I am saying is that World Series aside...the Yankees still own the Red Sox...with heartbreaks and the likes.

[Max Payne]

Lets just work on the numbers of this centuary, and right now the Red Sox are winning.

[koolmike]

In other news...Yankees offer the manager job to Joe Girardi...good choice. He's the one I wanted them to get.

New Yorkers wanted DM.

[Duff McCartney]

Lets just work on the numbers of this centuary, and right now the Red Sox are winning.

Barely...2-1.

[Duff McCartney]

New Yorkers wanted DM.

I didn't really think he'd be a good manager....I like what Girardi did down in Florida. Had those guys playing hard every night.

Right now the Yankees don't need hitting...they have that...they need some god damn pitching. The one thing those teams of the 90s and 2000 had was some good pitching.

[H78]

Barely...2-1.

Uhh, no. 2-0. The 2000 championship is actually part of the 20th century.

[cmurdur]

20th century numbers, 26-5

[H78]

20th century numbers, 26-5


...aaand the 20th century was last century.

Goes to show you how much the Yankees suck, and for how long they've sucked.

[cmurdur]

yep, they suck for out winning, playing, just being a damn better franchise. Yankee fans have a reason to say the Sox suck. what can the Boston fans compare to 86 years of dominance?

[H78]

what can the Boston fans compare to 86 years of dominance?

Well, for starters, 86 years of sticking by their team, regardless of the lack of rings. You douche bags are some of the worse fans in baseball when your team isn't winning the World Series. You boo some of your best players (I remember you idiots booing Jeter a couple years back) and you gripe about how much money your senile owner has spent without a championship. Why? Because you think you can buy championships!

Even A-Rod, the biggest piece of shit in baseball, can't stand playing for you guys.

yep, they suck for out winning, playing, just being a damn better franchise. Yankee fans have a reason to say the Sox suck.

For out winning? That's like me talking to Knicks fans about just how much they blow compared to the Celtics...something I wouldn't do, because the Celts haven't won shit for about 20 years. Of course, I doubt you're a Knicks fan -- it's easy to see you just root for the teams that are easy to root for.

Finally - what point do you think you're making? The Red Sox just won the World Series! In other words, they're the best team in baseball...which includes your failure Yankees. Their 2007 division title, pennant, and World Series trophy prove that.

Get a grip on reality and stop living in the past; they say when you live in the past it's because you can't handle the present. Guess what the present says? Your Yankees were beat by the Red Sox in every way this year. In the division, in the American League, and in all of baseball. No gray Bucky Dent or pre-9/11 'glory' photos change any of that. Did those memories bring you a parade this year?

As for Duff, he has no room for talk. Everyone knows the only home team he really pulls for - miraculously! - is the one who's been winning championships the last few years.

[cmurdur]

Of course, I doubt you're a Knicks fan -- it's easy to see you just root for the teams that are easy to root for.



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[H78]

I bet you started rooting for them either:

A) During the "Dirty Bird" Anderson era

or

B) When they drafted Vick.


They just happen to suck this year. I'm sure, though, you were side by side with them in the early to mid 90's when they blew more balls than the Yanks' defense.

[cmurdur]

I just can't get over the 2004 season for the Birds.

[Duff McCartney]

Well, for starters, 86 years of sticking by their team, regardless of the lack of rings. You douche bags are some of the worse fans in baseball when your team isn't winning the World Series.

Are you fucking kidding me? You have no fucking room to talk...at ALL!! If I recall correctly after Game 3 of the ALCS in 04...you were shitting all over the Sox saying they need to blow up the team for being down 0-3.

[Duff McCartney]

Uhh, no. 2-0. The 2000 championship is actually part of the 20th century.

You're saying the year 2000 isn't part of the 21st century?...Well that's just semantics at this point.

[Duff McCartney]

As for Duff, he has no room for talk. Everyone knows the only home team he really pulls for - miraculously! - is the one who's been winning championships the last few years.

Like which one? The Spurs? Yeah it's really cause of the championships...not the fact that I was born and raised in San Antonio....and I still live here. Yeah...nothing compares like living in Atlanta for a year in 96-97 and sporting my Spurs jersey when they barely won 20 games that season. Sure....I'm not a real fan.

I know it's hard for Boston people like you to take Spurs fans like me...after all...we took away the dynasty you were supposed to have in 97-98 which I'm sure still stings.

[Max Payne]

Its all good, the Celts have a good team this year.

No one has shit on me, I root for the home teams period. Look at the NBA threads, I was watching the Celts last year when clearly injuries and youth ruinined what was going to be a crap year anyways.

NBA lottery has hurt the Celts twice in 10 years, Bias coke over dose and Lewis hart condition certainly doesn't help.

But now the Celts have a 3 year window to get a championship.

Thats way the fuck off topic, and the Sox still havent signed Arod.

[Duff McCartney]

No one has shit on me, I root for the home teams period.

Actually they do...you're a homer. An unbiased homer at that....as if there is any other kind. My opinion on the Celtics: they can't compete with anybody in the West if they make it to the Finals. They are at best a 5th seed in the West...even with Garnett and Allen added to the roster. No bench and a horrible coach in Doc Rivers....not to mention not a semblance of defense played by Ray Allen.


Back to the thread, I personally have no bitter feelings about ARod...I think he played his ass off with the Yankees and it's a shame he is leaving. It is what it is. Players come and go.

[H78]

You're saying the year 2000 isn't part of the 21st century?...Well that's just semantics at this point.

It isn't.

Research is your friend.

[Duff McCartney]

It isn't.

Research is your friend.

Okay genius..then tell me who considers 2000 as part of the 20th century? Do you consider 1900 part of the 18th century?

[Beware]

Got a funny story, saw Dane Cook last night in St. Louis and someone yelled "RED SOX!" and he goes, "They already won!" and everyone booed. He was like "Hey, don't boo me...I don't play for them!" and then he was like "you weren't really booing you were saying boooooo-ston red sox!"

I booed not at him but the red sox mention, I hate them lol!

[H78]

Okay genius..then tell me who considers 2000 as part of the 20th century? Do you consider 1900 part of the 18th century?

It's a fact. Nothing is subjective here. Admit you're wrong, for Christ's sake.

[Duff McCartney]

It's a fact. Nothing is subjective here. Admit you're wrong, for Christ's sake.

Like I said it's all semantics...people like you consider it to be part of the 20th...some people consider it to be part of the 21st. Like I said...semantics.

If it isn't...what difference does it make? 2-0...is that really kicking ass? That's nothing. Hell whining bitches like you should know that even 3-0 is nothing..considering your Sox came back from it.

[H78]

Like I said it's all semantics...people like you consider it to be part of the 20th...some people consider it to be part of the 21st. Like I said...semantics.

If it isn't...what difference does it make? 2-0...is that really kicking ass? That's nothing. Hell whining bitches like you should know that even 3-0 is nothing..considering your Sox came back from it.

So your whiny, nagging reply and 'semantics' excuse is basically your way of admitting you're wrong?

I can work with that.

In that case, it's OK Duff, we're all wrong sometimes. I don't think you're an idiot.

[Duff McCartney]

So your whiny, nagging reply and 'semantics' excuse is basically your way of admitting you're wrong?

I can work with that.

In that case, it's OK Duff, we're all wrong sometimes. I don't think you're an idiot.

I'm not admitting I'm wrong because I'm not. The fact is there are two ways to look at the year 2000. Part of the 20th and part of the 21st...and if it is part of the 20th..do you really consider 2 titles to 0 in 7 years to be kicking ass? For all you know the Yanks could win three in a row and would make it 3-2 in ten years.

I could understand if maybe you were saying 2-0 is kicking ass to a team that is at the bottom of the league every year. But they Yanks have been contenders every year since 2000. Even going to the World Series twice.

[H78]

I'm not admitting I'm wrong because I'm not. The fact is there are two ways to look at the year 2000.

No, there are not two ways to view the year 2000 in terms of what century it belongs to. There's only one way. It's a fact, Duff, that the year 2000 is part of the 20th Century. There's nothing to debate here. It's a fact like "the earth rotates around the sun" is a fact...what don't you understand? There's no room room for opinion on this; you get me?

Now, as for the championships debate, two titles versus zero in seven years speaks for itself. I don't really need to debate that with you either. In recent history your Yankees suck compared to the Red Sox, Duff. In terms of recent championships, that, like the year 2000 being part of the 20th Century, is a fact.

[koolmike]

Nice to see that Beltran and Wright won gold gloves for their positions :coolbeer:

[H78]

They're both bums.

How about both for Tavarez?

[Duff McCartney]

Now, as for the championships debate, two titles versus zero in seven years speaks for itself. I don't really need to debate that with you either. In recent history your Yankees suck compared to the Red Sox, Duff. In terms of recent championships, that, like the year 2000 being part of the 20th Century, is a fact.

Two titles versus zero in seven years is sucking? Like I said..it's not like you're comparing a team that's winning 20 games to a team that's winning 120 and a championship.

Save for a few suck plays...the score would probably be 2-2 right now. If the Yankees were winning 2-0 in recent history...you wouldn't say the Red Sox are sucking...because they've been right there as well.

[koolmike]

They're both bums.



I know you don't mean that.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

I dont want Arod to land in Boston.

It will be a happy offseason if he lands anywhere else, particularly the NL. Nevertheless, Sox need to resign Lowell or look for the Yanks to overpay for him to get him out of Boston much like they did with Damon. Nevertheless, if the Yanks were smart, they wont overpay for him either.

[Max Payne]

Your crazy.

The Red Sox play in the American Leauge, signing Lowell particulary at 3 years is nuts, he isn't going to give you the production he did this year, granted he will still play great defense.

But what Im saying, is this team was I think fourthed in the AL offensive wise, after the 16 game lead or whatever it was they got on the Yankees, they finished the season only 2 games ahead of them, You can't expect that this will happen again or that it's a give that the Sox will finish ahead of them.

My point? You NEED to improve your team, at this point in the offseason, you have Johan Santana, Cabrera and Arod as viable players that all fit some need for the Sox, if they sign Lowell, its almost a certain they don't go after Arod or Cabrera and getting Santana is a stretch.

Where do they plan to improve this team, if they go into next season with the same basic team they will have a hard time making the playoffs.

Arod is on there radar, I don't care what anyone says, there down playing it to save face with the public, make Lowell a offer thats good, but not as good as the Yanks offer, get Arod at a discount (he would take less money to play with the Sox then anyone else, proof? His willingness to take a paycut to come here in 04, his wife and family come from and live in Boston, and who else other then Boston can offer him the money and chance to win the WS every year now that the Yanks are out of it?) if it comes down to money, and were only talking 30-50 million from his highest offer and the Sox offer, I expect he thinks hard about it.

People keep saying he hurts chemistry with his attitude, but I say playing for the Yanks will do that, look at Damon, once a happy guy now all moopy and prolly wishing he stayed in Boston, or that he disappears in the playoffs. Tell me something, Arod hitting 5 in your line up hurts you how? Varitek, Drew, Lugo and Crisp all had average to bad playoffs, take out Lugo and replace him with Arod, tell me man, how does this really make you worse?

[cmurdur]

the Yanks aren't looking for A-Rod, period, ReDPATH.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Was refering to the Yanks going after Lowell, not Arod.

Obviously the ship has sailed for Arod in NY.

[Max Payne]

Right into Boston..

[cmurdur]

Was refering to the Yanks going after Lowell, not Arod.

Obviously the ship has sailed for Arod in NY.

I see. A-Rod isn't going to get anyone to buy him because he thinks he's worth $350 million. like $250 million isn't enough.

[réÐþÁ†µ]

Looks like Arod might stay in pinstripes.

That said, losing Lowell to NY as well spells a bad offseason for the Sox if they miss out on Lowell and Payrod. Even though I was firmly against Arod coming to beantown.

Yanks will overpay for Lowell just to keep him away from Boston and play him at first base. Nevertheless, Sox take a cue from the Pats and dont overpay too often. Nevertheless, it may leave them without a true 3rd basemen.

[Duff McCartney]

A-Rod, Yankees close to $275 million deal

By Tim Brown, Yahoo! Sports
November 14, 2007

Say this for Alex Rodriguez: In a take-no-prisoners winter in which he dared walk away from the New York Yankees and $81 million, in which he sought to obsolete the game's previous record salary (his own), into which his swashbuckling agent entered with a knife between his teeth, and into which he went armed with one of the great offensive seasons in baseball history, he lasted 18 days.

That's almost three weeks. A lesser man might not have gotten to Veterans Day.

And by Wednesday night, not only were Rodriguez and the Yankees back on speaking terms, but sources said they were close to a deal that would pay Rodriguez $275 million over 10 years.

Unless talks break down, Rodriguez will have his Yankees and his record-breaking contract, and he won't have to go into the Hall of Fame as a Toledo Mud Hen – as one of the Steinbrenner boys wise-cracked two weeks ago – and Yankees fans can recommence sorting their feelings for A-Rod.

PUBLICIDAD


Meantime, what has been portrayed as an end-around on agent Scott Boras – Rodriguez contacted the Steinbrenners through a third party, believed to be Mitch Modell of "Gotta go to Mo's" sporting goods fame, and initiated Round 2 of negotiations – might actually have been strategic and not a breaking of ranks.

According to those close to the situation, the Yankees did not attempt to bar Boras from future negotiations and, despite appearances, Boras maintains a civil and professional relationship with his client. Indeed, witnesses said Boras was in Miami meeting with Rodriguez for the past several days and was to dine with Rodriguez on Wednesday night.

All of which concluded another fun little day for Rodriguez, Boras, the Yankees and anyone hoping to keep up with the goings-ons.

And, would suggest the Yankees aren't really restructuring at all. They have re-upped catcher Jorge Posada, seem close to the same with closer Mariano Rivera, and have at least re-opened talks with Rodriguez. They are waiting on starter Andy Pettitte, but reasonably optimistic he'll be back, meaning the old gang is together again, with the notable exceptions of Roger Clemens (for the moment) and manager Joe Torre.

For a few hours Wednesday, it certainly appeared Rodriguez had blinked.

First the New York Daily News reported Rodriguez had slipped around Boras and contacted the Steinbrenner II about, you know, maybe, uh, comin' back, please?

Then Rodriguez confirmed it on his official Web site. There was no comment from Boras. The Yankees seemed overjoyed.

All of which left the impression that Rodriguez went around Boras to salvage a deteriorating relationship with the Yankees (and their fans), and the Yankees granted a return to the negotiating table as long as there wasn't a seat there for Boras.

In the past, Boras would have set the place afire. He would have filed a grievance before dusk had settled over Tampa. He'd have howled about unfair labor practices.

Instead, you wondered if Boras was still Rodriguez's agent.


The client looked to have set off on his own, and in fact, it appears that Rodriguez did much of the legwork on the new deal. How much of it was calculated by agent and client is worth pondering.

"After spending time with (wife) Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization," Rodriguez wrote on his website.

"Prior to entertaining any serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees' ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness.

"As a result, I reached out to the Yankees through mutual friends and conveyed that message."

Now, typically, Boras would be doing all the reaching out. But, Boras is not above the gamesmanship. He needed the Yankees involved at almost any cost, because they have the most money and because Rodriguez, it appears, really wants to play for them. Boras pretty much acknowledged as much the day after his client opted out when he expressed disappointment that the Yankees – upset that they had lost a $21 million A-Rod contract subsidy from the Texas Rangers – indicated they would not negotiate.

From then until now, interest from others has been tepid, the landscape for $300 million increasingly sparse, which might have sobered even the unflinchingly optimistic Boras. Officials from two teams who have the need for a power-hitting third baseman and the financial resources to sign Rodriguez said there has been little or no conversation with Boras or Rodriguez for several days. Mike Lowell will sign with one of the few teams capable of pursuing Rodriguez. Miguel Cabrera might be traded to another.

Leaving Rodriguez and the Yankees, at the end of the day.

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Pretty crazy shit...I never thought ARod would be back with the Yankees...that said I'm glad he's back if this is true. But I still think the Yankees need a ton of pitching. That's what wins titles.

[H78]

the Yanks aren't looking for A-Rod, period, ReDPATH.

UHM's baseball expert comes through again.

[cmurdur]

UHM's baseball expert comes through again.

eat shit.

[Darkgod]

Mets get addition by subtraction. Deal Mota.

[Il Duce]

Happy that Rollins got the NL MVP well deserved he also got a Gold Glove too him and Utley.:nod:

[Darkgod]

He didnt deserve shit. Wright had better stats in every category except runs and stolen bases. Holiday had better stats as well. And dont say Oh well Holiday plays in Colorado, cause Rollins plays in a band box, that had a friggen jet stream carry everything out to right field.

[Il Duce]

He didnt deserve shit. Wright had better stats in every category except runs and stolen bases. Holiday had better stats as well. And dont say Oh well Holiday plays in Colorado, cause Rollins plays in a band box, that had a friggen jet stream carry everything out to right field.

:rolleyes:

[Joker]

Looks like Santana could be going to Boston.Well that really sucks!My favorite Twin,doesnt look like I'll be going to any games next year,and he can stick that new tax payer boughten stadium right up his ass.

[Max Payne]

He should be going to Boston, as Boston has all the right prospects in the right places for the Twins, however Boston is too high on Ellbury to give him up, which as a Sox fan I absolutely hate.

Ellsbury is good, he has the mold of a great prospect, plays baseball the right and classic way, but if you had a team in which Santana or Beckett is your second best pitcher, there is no way you pass that up, esspecially when your not hurting your team at the same time by giving up whatever players you do end up giving.

Lester/Ellsbury is a good start, fill in whoever you need to and get this guy.