MMA Thread

[cmurdur]

Over a fucking video game. :die:

[realizm]

Thats just idiotic.... Kimbo gets beat by a nobody who accepted the fight day of, plus only beat garbage talent. Plus Petruzelli admitted EXC was tampering with his fights. Lesnar beats two former HW champions, and loses to 1. Brock is a former NCAA champion, all american, and had speed for a big guy. If Kimbo and Lesnar faced it be a first round win by Lesnar cause Kimbo is garbage.

the guy is nothing but hype frank exposed that brocks has no ground game even as a former NCAA champion. put him against Randleman,Nogueira or even colemen and i bet you they be making him tap before the end of round 1

[Freddy316]

the guy is nothing but hype frank exposed that brocks has no ground game even as a former NCAA champion. put him against Randleman,Nogueira or even colemen and i bet you they be making him tap before the end of round 1
I'm sorry but losing one fight by submission does not mean you have "no ground game" especially when it's your very first fight in the UFC and the guy that submits you is one of the best submission guys in the UFC's heavyweight division. It's still to early to tell anything absolutely definitive about Lesnar since he's still only had so few fights. By the middle to end of 2009 once he's had a few more fights we will know a lot more about what he can or can't do, what his true strengths and weaknesses are etc.

Also, since that loss to Frank Mir he's had dominating wins over Heath Herring and Randy Couture which should suggest to most people that he's more then "just hype".

[realizm]

imo he did not dominate Couture in that fight, brock was winded after the 1st round granted he was almost 50 pounds heavier then randy... regardless i still feel the guy is hype till he starts fighting some better heavyweights... put brock against Nogueira now thats what im waiting for



I'm sorry but losing one fight by submission does not mean you have "no ground game" especially when it's your very first fight in the UFC and the guy that submits you is one of the best submission guys in the UFC's heavyweight division. It's still to early to tell anything absolutely definitive about Lesnar since he's still only had so few fights. By the middle to end of 2009 once he's had a few more fights we will know a lot more about what he can or can't do, what his true strengths and weaknesses are etc.

Also, since that loss to Frank Mir he's had dominating wins over Heath Herring and Randy Couture which should suggest to most people that he's more then "just hype".

[Freddy316]

put brock against Nogueira now thats what im waiting for
Lesnar is going to get the winner of Mir/Nogueria. So Lesnar's next fight will either be a second fight with Mir or a fight against Nogueria. Those are the top two submission guys in heavyweight so whoever it ends up being we will see whether or not Lesnar has improved his submission defense since that first fight with Mir. I'm looking forward to it.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Nogueria will lose to Brock if that happens. I'm pretty sure Frank Will beat Brock if that fight happens again. Nogueria always gets his ass whoop and then he pulls out a submission, but that won't happen against Brock.

[steelba]

Forrest and now Brock double weak.

[Lucio Argento]

Done with the UFC, can't believe they cut Fitch because he didn't want to sign his rights away. Looks likes Kos and Cain are next.


Fitch and Lorenzo talked today and ironed everything out. Everything is good now, thankfully.

[j-vc]

Nogueria will lose to Brock if that happens. I'm pretty sure Frank Will beat Brock if that fight happens again. Nogueria always gets his ass whoop and then he pulls out a submission, but that won't happen against Brock.Nogueira gets beaten down, sure, but if his opponent has a weakness on the ground - it's only a matter of time. He subbed Tim Sylvia in what, about twenty seconds after pulling guard? Sylvia has been training ground for probably half a decade longer than Brock has as well. It's not like Nog hasn't fought massive guys before either. Check out his war with Bob Sapp, a fight I imagine will look a lot like Nog/Lesnar should it happen.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yea I know nogueira gets beat down, but its gonna be even a worst beat down by Brock. Brock is just too big. And bob Sapp is a joke, he should just stick to actin'. Mir has a better chance.

[j-vc]

Yea I know nogueira gets beat down, but its gonna be even a worst beat down by Brock. Brock is just too big. And bob Sapp is a joke, he should just stick to actin'. Mir has a better chance.Nog has NEVER been finished in a fight. Even though Sapp is a joke, the man beat Ernesto Hoost twice in K1 and his power is insane. He dropped Nog on his head and did his best to pound his face in. Nog withstood Crocop's best assault in his prime. Nog took one of the single worst beatings I have ever seen at the hands of Fedor Emelianenko, and never gave in. Not to mention the Herring kick from hell, and Sylvia's lengthy jabs. Brock has power, but Nog has been in there with better fighters and equally as poweful ones and never been finished or broken. His heart and his experience are his greatest assets going into such a fight. I personally don't see Brock rolling with Nog for five rounds without losing gas or making a mistake.

Every time Frank Mir has lost, he has lost by TKO. I'm not saying that it isn't possible and not trying to use MMAth, but if the guy couldn't TKO Mir or Herring then I just can't imagine him doing so to Nog. However, anything is possible, but I'm hoping to see Nogueira regain his title and hold onto it for a while.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

LAGUNA NIGUEL, Calif. (AP) - A mixed martial arts fighter and his wife were found shot to death in a Laguna Niguel condominium in what authorities said was an apparent murder-suicide.

The bodies of Justin Levens and his wife, Sarah McLean-Levens, were found Wednesday afternoon, Orange County sheriff's officials said. The 28-year-old Levens competed in the Ultimate Fighting Championship and other organizations.

Sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino said the couple was found by the woman's mother, who called 911.

Lt. Mike Jansen says further information would be released Thursday.

Levens had a 9-8 record, fighting with the UFC, WEC and IFL among other promotions, according to The Fight Network. It reported that his last fight was an Oct. 18, 2007 loss to Kenny Ento.

remember seein' this guy fight a couple of times... He fought twice in the UFC against Evan Tanner & Jorge Santiago.. he lost to both of them.

[Creamdawg]

GSP!!

[IKickAssForTheLord]

NAMPA, Idaho - Mixed martial arts fighter Justin Mark Eilers was shot to death during a domestic disturbance, police said. He was 30.

Eilers, a Boise resident, was identified Friday as the victim of the Christmas night shooting in a southwestern Idaho house. Canyon County Coroner Vicki DeGeus-Morris said Eilers died of a single gun shot wound to the chest, and the death was ruled a homicide.

James Robert Malec, 48, was arrested on suspicion of second-degree murder. Canyon County sheriff's office deputy Gary Deulen said the investigation is ongoing, but described the shooting as a domestic disturbance.

Eilers competed as a heavyweight and fought in the Ultimate Fighting Championship and Elite Xtreme Combat and had a 19-7-1 record, according to The Fight Network.

Man what is goin' on here?! Also remember this guy fightin' in the UFC.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Rashad Evans TKO'd Forrest in the 3rd round, he was out... good fight.
Frank Mir DOMINATED Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira TKO in 2nd round
Quinton Jackson won by KO against Wanderlei Silva 1st round (have a feeling there will be a rematch)

Last night PPV was a good one to go out with at the end of the year. None of them went the distance I think.

[Darkgod]

gonna be no rematch of silva and jackson... silva is probally done. You don't go 5-6 in 11 fights and stick around. Probally Machito vs Jackson winner faces evans. Mir vs Brock will be good. I find it funny people say Mir dominated him... watch the fight. Lesnar was winning the round until he made a dumb rookie mistake and was tapped by a great ground guy. Its not gonna go down that way again. Little pissed Forest lost. He was winning up to that point, but just got destroyed on the ground.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I wouldn't say Frank dominated Brock, he just won thats all.

Silva won't be gone, he'll still fight.

[steelba]

i'm very happy with all of those results :smokin:

[Lucio Argento]

gonna be no rematch of silva and jackson... silva is probally done. You don't go 5-6 in 11 fights and stick around. Probally Machito vs Jackson winner faces evans.


I don't think Rampage and Machida will fight each other, unless 1 of them is holding the title. Page will either get a rematch right away, or Machida will get the shot if he beats T Silva next month.

[Freddy316]

Winner of Machida/Thiago should fight Rampage. Then the winner of that goes on to fight Evans for the title. True, that would mean that it will be a long time before the title match - but I think it's more important to always make sure the most deserving fighters get the title shots.

[steelba]

glad Forrest lost :smokin2:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yea I wanted Evans to win.

[Darkgod]

I don't think Rampage and Machida will fight each other, unless 1 of them is holding the title. Page will either get a rematch right away, or Machida will get the shot if he beats T Silva next month.

If Jackson didn't get the rematch at 92, then hes not getting it until he gets No. 1 contender again. Unfortunitly beating a broken down Silva won't get you there.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Still think W Silva is a good figher. One of the most exciting fighters out there.

[steelba]

they might let him get a title shot now that there golden boy lost.

[joykilla]

The Affliction PPV is really shaping up. With 2 UFC PPVs plus the Affliction PPV. The mma fans will be busy this month. As much as I want to see St.Pierre vs. Penn 2 the main event of Affliction being Andrei Arlovski vs. Fedor Emelenianko? is going to be a slug fest.

[Freddy316]

Yeah, there is a lot coming up. I'm just glad UFC 95 is going to be aired for free on Spike. I've been spending way too much money on all these UFC PPV's.

[Apocalypse]

What the hell has happend to Shogun? He gets destroyed by Forrest and then gets tired in the first two minutes against coleman but holds on for the win. He can't be training.

[Apocalypse]

Here are my picks for this sats UFC


GSP Ko's BJ

Thiago Silva Ko's Lyoto Machida

Clay Guida Unanimous decision over Nate Diaz

Jon Fitch Ko's Akihiro Gono

[steelba]

GSP won as I suggested.

[joykilla]

It sucks Frank Mir had to get surgery done so they canceled the rematch between him and Brock Lesnar. More than likely it will be rescheduled for UFC 100 in July to unify the titles. That's going to be one hellavuh night. UFC has come a very long way and I'm proud mixed martial arts is finally getting the respect it deserves.

Looks like Bobby Lashley will face Clay Guida's jobroni brother who sucked ass but oh well maybe we will see an upset. Shamrock just needs to hang it up. Now he's suspended for a year for several steroids showing up on a drug test. I guess he had to get real jacked up to beat some fat bastard.

R.I.P. Charles "Mask" Lewis
(Founder of Tapout)

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yea I'm def. lookin' forward to the Brock And Frank Fight, gonna be a good one! Hope Frank Wins.

Clay's brother is a chump, he was horrible on TUF, couldn't even make weight! :mad: And I really like Clay so was hopin' he would be like him, but I guess not.

Shamrock :dsp: enough said.

Charles "Mask" Lewis R.I.P. gonna be weird not seein' him there. But mofo shouldn't have been racin'... always somethin' bad happens.

[joykilla]

I never understood why people with so much money like to drive wasted. If I had the money some of the celebs have I would just pay someone to drive me around. I hate driving to begin with. Tapout really helped the sport of MMA. They still do so I hope they stick together through all of this and learn from it.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yea I hear ya man. Dude was racin' his Ferrari against some posche.. u kiddin' me. Do you know if Mask was drivin'? Cuz I read somethin' that he had a girl with him and they didn't know who was drivin'. I know the girl survived since she got thrown out of the car.

But come on geez. Some ppl I just don't understand.

[joykilla]

‘Ninja of Love’ Talks Zombie Apocalypse
Wednesday, March 18, 2009
by Jordan Breen (jbreen@sherdog.com)

I’m wary of producing another feature cobbled together from the same monotonous, interchangeable material about how a fighter got into the sport, when he first saw the UFC, who he trains with and how often.

I'm on the phone with undefeated prospect Nick Denis, an entrant in Sengoku’s featherweight tournament this Friday at Yoyogi National Stadium Second Gymnasium in Tokyo. I’m desperate for a hook, a theme, a motif, a narrative of some kind. I’ve opted to be deliberate in its pursuit; I anticipate that any fighter who carries a moniker like “The Ninja of Love” is bound to have some intriguing inner thoughts.

“Tell me something interesting,” I urge him following our exchange of pleasantries. “Not necessarily about yourself -- could be about anything in the world.”

“Something interesting,” he repeats. After a “hmmm,” he suddenly declares, “Zombies.”

“Zombies?”

“Yeah, I really believe they could be true,” Denis tells me. “You know, the zombie populace, I can see that being real. I think about what would happen if zombies attacked all the time.”

When I ask him to name his favorite zombie film, he affirms that George A. Romero’s original “Dawn of the Dead” is his personal superlative. Naturally, he has already absorbed Max Brooks’ “The Zombie Survival Guide,” standard course reading for any budding zombiologist and has recently started on Brooks’ follow-up, “World War Z.” Without any more coaxing, I’m suddenly knee-deep in Zombies 101.

“I can believe that a virus could cause people to turn into zombies but not like in the movies,” he says. “Zombies don’t break down nutrients, so they couldn’t get faster, stronger and deadly like in the movies. They don’t really breathe even; they aren’t using oxygen. Blood doesn’t run in their veins; their brains don’t really work. But everything other than that is 100 percent believable.”

There’s an honest levity to Denis’ zombie obsession, but that’s not to say he’s being sarcastic. Nor is he the victim of gullibility and an overactive imagination, cultivated by too many Romero and Fulci flicks. Rather, he’s a legitimate scientist in bloom.

As yet, the boldest bits of Denis’ curriculum vitae are his mixed martial arts exploits; he carries a 6-0 record, six finishes, King of the Cage Canada’s 145-pound title and now a berth in Sengoku’s featherweight tournament. However, the 25-year-old prospect splits his time between the gym and the lab, as he’s currently pursuing his doctorate in biochemistry at the University of Ottawa.

“I actually originally wanted to be a history teacher,” Denis says with a laugh. “When I realized I needed to pick a career, I ended up picking up a book on The Big Bang and thought, ‘Yeah, science is awesome.’”

Photo Courtesy of Nick Denis

Zombie killer Nick Denis is
set for his Sengoku debut.
His honors and graduate work largely concentrate on protein ubiquitination. Now as a doctoral candidate, he focuses on the proprotein convertase subtilisin/kexin type 9, or PSCK9 gene, which encodes an enzyme that regulates cholesterol and formatively impacts cardiovascular health. Many graduate students bemoan their work and stress levels when they have only a single focus, yet Denis seems wholly unfazed by juggling academic and pugilistic rigors.

“I wake up, I go to work at the lab at 9:30 and check out some MMA Web sites,” he says, his grin somehow audible through the phone. “Then I’ll go to the gym to train for 60 to 90 minutes, go back to the lab, finish up and then go back to the gym."

His vocal non-chalance is striking. I enquire as to whether or not he’s as polymathic as it appears and if all of life’s niches come so easily to him. Like his grin, I can hear his shoulder shrugging, as well, as he tells me simply that “some things come easy” and credits his brother, Joel, four years his elder, for making him so competitive and driven.

Despite his scientific pursuits, which have already stamped his name on a stack of peer-reviewed journal articles, Denis remains adamant that MMA takes precedence over PSCK9.

“Fighting is definitely my number one. One of my advisors told me, ‘You can’t use science to pay for fighting.’ Well, yeah,” he muses.

Sengoku’s featherweight tournament comes not a second too soon for the scrapper-cum-scientist. It has been eight months since his first-round plastering of Josh Kyrejto, the win which was supposed to grease the wheels for his transition from the national-level of Canada to international competition. In September, Denis signed with flagging Pro Elite but had no illusions about the significance of the signing.

“I’m a fan, too, so when Pro Elite signed me, I knew that they weren’t going to be around much longer,” he says. “I was hoping to get in maybe one, two fights tops before they folded. It was disappointing it didn’t happen that way, but after they went under, with so many organizations having featherweight tournaments, I knew I’d get a fight somewhere.”

While Dream and the upstart Bellator Fighting Championships expressed interest in having Denis in their respective featherweight brackets, it was ultimately World Victory Road and Sengoku who inked him, making Denis one of the many international prospects on the cusp of prominence to populate the tournament. When I ask the ever-trite question of who he’d ideally like to face, Denis naturally namedrops tournament favorites Hatsu Hioki, Marlon Sandro and L.C. Davis. However, in order to rub elbows and trade punches with any of the tournament’s top talents, the Ronin MMA product will first need to nix 21-year-old sharpshooter Seiya Kawahara in a matter of days.

“Me and my team, we watched his fights together. Without being too specific, we did formulate a gameplan,” he says.

Though he dabbled in tae kwon do and karate as a youth, “The Ninja of Love” is very much a modern MMA product in the evenness of his skill set. However, Denis has made his mark thus far as a patient counterstriker, adroitly sprawling and brawling and using his right hand and clinch knees to earn his unblemished mark. In the ultra-offensive Kawahara, whom Pancrase officials earnestly view as the promotion’s next golden child, Denis meets the first opponent of his young career who surpasses his own striking artillery. When I press him as to whether or not he will opt to stand and trade with Kawahara, who hasn’t been as quick to mature on the ground as he has on the feet, Denis offers some points of style but will not explicitly divulge anything.

“When he gets taken down, he doesn’t try and submit anybody; he just tries to stand up and give up his back,” he says. “Instead of being technical, he just tries to bridge strong and scramble. But, I don’t necessarily have to take him down. I wouldn’t mind making my mark with an exciting and explosive stand-up fight.”

Preparation for the Ottawan goes beyond sparring, rolling and film study. Never having been further than six hours removed from the Eastern Time zone and never having fought outside of Canada, let alone half way around the world, Denis left the Great White North on March 12 to ensure he had a full week in Japan to acclimate before squaring off with Kawahara. He has also watched two Japanese zombie films, “Wild Zero” and “Versus,” just in case.

The strategic aspect of the sport clearly excites Denis. Perhaps it’s no great wonder, as research and experimentation are seemingly the most natural points where MMA and biochemistry intersect. Just as he attributes his drive for success to his brother, he sees his preoccupation with pondering hypotheticals and precision planning for contingencies as a familial influence, as well.

“I’m just a clone of my dad, really. He’s the kind of guy who makes to-do lists and notes to himself, notes like, ‘Make a note for tomorrow,’” he says, joking of his father, John, a retired taxi driver.

This adoration of lateral thinking stimulates Denis’ simultaneous love for protein coding and prizefighting. It’s also what stokes his fiery fanaticism with the living dead.

“For me, I think it’s about the facts of survival. I love seeing how people plan to survive in zombie movies,” he says. “It’s the ultimate situation. No location is ideal for fighting zombies: short range, long range, it doesn’t matter. Everything depends on your surroundings.”

I decide to indulge Denis, asking him what exactly one should do in the event of an undead apocalypse. I’m met instantaneously with a battery of survival bullet points.

“First thing, you have to know your location; you have to be familiar,” Denis says. “Second, you need to fill up everything with water where you are: sinks, tubs, whatever. You don’t know when the water is going to get shut off.”

He continues with tactics: women should tie up their hair to avoid being grabbed; avoid driving, but if you must, ride a dirt bike or something that can go off road; choose weapons that are light, sustainable and powerful, like an aluminum bat. He implores that lab goggles be worn if possible when fighting zombies, quickly pointing out that contact with the eyes is the surest way to spread a virus.

During this engrossing and evangelical explanation, Denis’ girlfriend, Alyssa, a psychology undergrad at the University of Ottawa, laughs in the background. I wonder to myself how many times she’s heard this sermon on survival. I joke to him that he won’t be able to become acquainted enough with his Japanese surroundings in just a week to adequately ward off an international zombie attack, to which he mournfully agrees.

“But if you win, they have to keep bringing you back,” I add. “If you win the whole tournament, that’s one more place you’d be safe against the zombie invasion.”

“Good point,” he says, “because, really, I fight as a platform, to educate and defend against the zombie apocalypse.”

And he’s only half kidding.

Courtesy of www.sherdog.com

[Darkgod]

IM picking Silva and Liddel for next saturday. Both by KO

[steelba]

Lidell got his glass jaw broke.

Silva won the worst fight i've ever seen in my life, Lieatas should be banned from the sport, that pussy :finger3:

[Lemmywinks]

Lidell needs to hang it up this is what his 4th loss in 5 fights? Not to mention he is exposed and has a glass jaw.(like Steelba said)

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Well its official. Chuck is done from the UFC. He will not be fightin' for them again. But he does have a life time job workin' for the UFC now.

[Lemmywinks]

He'll more than likely be a guest commentator.

[cmurdur]

Liddell getting his ass whooped this bad is just he sad fact that all sports greats ending becoming really bad if they don't retire before that.

[steelba]

He'll more than likely be a guest commentator.
expect alot of bias when he covers Rampage's fights.

[Aurone]

It seems that everywhere, people are catching on to the benefits of learning mixed martial arts. Everyone includes basketball superstar Shaquille O'Neal, who is spending his off-season training at Jonathan Burke's Gracie Gym in Orlando.

O'Neal, who is listed at 7'2" and 325 lbs., goes by his old nickname at the gym, Diesel. He's been training with Burke for ten years, where he does the full gamut of MMA, boxing, jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai and wrestling. Burke said that O'Neal is in great shape, and loves the nature of the training.

"We can work drills twenty times through, and he works his tail off on everything," Burke said. "He has way more talent with this stuff than people would imagine."

O'Neal's specialty? Much like Clubber Lang, it's pain. Shaq-fu is said to have some killer knees as well as a phenomenal rear naked choke. He isn't the only athlete to try MMA, as former Redskins' wide receiver Michael Westbrook is now a jiu-jitsu player who won his only MMA match. Marcus Jones, a six-year NFL veteran, turned to MMA in retirement, and has won four fights. Will Shaq ever enter the cage?

"Not while he's playing," Burke said. "But you never know."

O'Neal recently told former UFC champ Chuck Liddell to look out for him. The upper weight of the UFC is 265 lbs., but with Jose Canseco fighting a 7'2" kickboxer in Japan, anything can happen. He just may be the first athlete to hold four NBA championship rings and a title belt.



http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Shaquille-O-Neal-hoopster-twitter-fan-MMA-fig?urn=mma,161678


:lol2::giggle:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Hahahahaha, That would be a riot to watch him fight. Def. some 5'11 heavyweight.

[steelba]

Machida, Hughes for the big fights.

[Lemmywinks]

expect alot of bias when he covers Rampage's fights.

No doubt. Liddell couldn't beat him in Pride then got knocked the fuck out in UFC.

[steelba]

Well my predictions were right, F Rashad :smokin2:

[Sutter Kane]

None of the UFC show winners have ever really impressed me. Rashad Evans was always overrated and boring to watch most of the time.

[steelba]

agreed :nod:

[jabbawockee]

It shouldn't surprise anyone that Machida won, his style is still very enigmatic and untill someone can figure out a way to mount a decent offense against him we will see more of the same. Rashad's performance was piss poor.

Steelba, who you got for GSP Alves?
I think the belt will be changing hands. I also really really really hope that bisping gets his fucking head ripped off that guy is such a poor sport

[IKickAssForTheLord]

:dsp:

[Darkgod]

Kimbo Slice named as a contestant on the next season of TUF.... btw coaches are Evans/Rampage, preventing any Rampage/Machida match.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Are you fuckin' serious?!?!

EDIT: Yup you are serious, Just looked it up. WOW, Kimbo ain't gonna do shit, but it will be funny to see him in the house.

[Darkgod]

he wont make the house if he goes vs someone with talent. I find it funny that Dana said the only way Kimbo can be in the ufc is if he goes through TUF, and now he actually might.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Actually, this season will be different. They aren't fighting to get in the house this time. My guess is that they want Kimbo in the house and they are afraid he will lose and won't get in the house.

[Darkgod]

oh ok then, guess he will... he'll be funny though cause you know he thinks hes the man, and these guys can take him apart.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I know right, this isn't street fighting here. He best not act like he's better than Evans Or Rampage. I honestly don't see him goin' far in the show. I think he will get better with these coaches but not good enough. But I just wanna see how he acts with the other guys in the house.

[steelba]

Kimbo sux, but I bet he makes for an entertaining season of TUF, shit i'm gonna check a few eps now to see whats up with it. I'd like to see Rampage clown Kimbo no chin :confident:

[Darkgod]

now you got three very boisterous fighters who think they are great, just 2 of them are....(evans and rampage)

[steelba]

Steelba, who you got for GSP Alves?
I think the belt will be changing hands. I also really really really hope that bisping gets his fucking head ripped off that guy is such a poor sport
Oh man I got GSP :rockin:
GSP and Rampage are my fav UFC fighters..
100% agree with you on Bisping, Henderson will smack him down...

[steelba]

now you got three very boisterous fighters who think they are great, just 2 of them are....(evans and rampage)
Evans :mad:

Gonna be a sweet ass season :rocker:

[Darkgod]

I think Bisping is gonna win, but I want Henderson. Bisping was a prick and a whiney cry baby for TUF. Plus not showing up for one of your guys fights? WTF is that.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yea I know right? How you not gonna show up for your fighters fight. Oh he over slept, BS. And I hope he does get his ass whooped by Hend, I never liked Bisping since he "beat" Matt Hamill, in which Hamill won that fight with a doubt.

And yea Next season of TUF is gonna be sweet. It will probably be the highest rating out of all the seasons. Also saw there are gonna be 2 ex NFL players that are gonna be on the show. Marcus Jones, guess he was a 1st round pick by the buccs in 01' or somethin' (can't remember). So it should be interesting.

[Darkgod]

Its good to see heavyweights again, they are needed cause there is only about 5-6 true heavyweights in the division who are anything.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Thinkin' the samething. They haven't done heavyweights since Season 2. And they def. need more Heavyweights. But that could just be me since I wanna see Brock get his ass kicked, so more heavyweights the better :D.

[Darkgod]

LOl, well I wanna see Brock kick more ass, so I say bring on more heavyweights as well.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

hahaha, I can't stand that guy! I remember watchin' that PPV when he fought Frank Mir. It was at a party, and I was the only one that wanted Frank Mir to win, and when he did I just startin' yellin' everybody just gave me this dirty look. And then I just dominated in beer pong afterwards :cooldude:. But I don't know, there's just somethin' 'bout that guy I don't like. And plus bein' that big is hackin'!

[Darkgod]

LOL, reminds me of the the NFL comercial when the one dolphin fan stands up in between all the jet fans.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

hahaha yup, kinda felt like that. My friend that I came to the party with was so pissed that I wanted Frank to win. Just rubbed it in his face. Thats another Fight that I can't wait for, I'm glad Frank is doin' better now. His last fight, he looked real good.

[Darkgod]

Hey he made Nog look REAL bad. And also showed his stand up is above average to go with his sick ground game.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

fuck yea he mad Nog look back, plus finishin' him made him look good since Nog has never been finished. Thats one of the reason I like the guy, his ground is sick for a heavyweight!

[Darkgod]

yeah, Im rooting for Brock in the fight, but I do like Mir. He just seems like a cool guy, and is good to boot. Not to mention, he'll tell the truth and say shit like " He fucked me up."

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Hahaha, I'll be rootin' for Frank once again, hopefully I'll get the same results! :D I wouldn't mind Frank fightin' Kimbo, Since Frank says "every time Kimbo Slice fights, it sets (mixed martial arts) back"

[Darkgod]

I just seen an interview with Frank, and he said he would love to coach Brock, cause hes good, but not great.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Oh geez, if that happened Brock would be a beast. Brock with any kind of a submission game would be nasty. Brock just loves those hammer fist hahaha.

[Darkgod]

cause they're the size of friggen tires.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

:lol2: I know right?! Think I heard he has the biggest hands in the game, they don't even make his size in gloves. Gotta custom make them. Remember watchin' Him fight Randy and Rogan said those are like Bricks, shit just cracked me up.

[steelba]

hate brock :dsp:

[Darkgod]

He's either love or hate kind of guy, personally I dig him, but can see how people hate him.

[steelba]

agreed.

Hopefully Frank Mir wins :ahheh:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Finally we can agree on something Steelba 'bout MMA.

[Darkgod]

Anyone watch Strikeforce last night... i did attrocious on my picks, only get Diaz by sub right... and I truly wanted him to lose. Hes such a cocksucker.

[steelba]

lol, u are usually good wit your picks :nod:

[Darkgod]

yeah, randleman fight was iffy, but the others (and I dont want to spoil) where rediculous

[steelba]

Did Randleman win?

[steelba]

Mike Brown better whoop Uriah tonight, i'm not looking forward to sport that sig :sure:

[Darkgod]

lol, no randleman lost by decision

[Apocalypse]

I can't stand Frank, but he is right. Kimbo Slice is a joke. He is going to be in TUF 10 and he will lose his first fight.

[Apocalypse]

I have Rich beating the axe murder tomorrow night. He already beat Hendo, but Dana did not want Rich as a coach on tuf. I'm a big Hendo fan, but even I could see that Rich beat him.

[Apocalypse]

Boring UFCsave your money. Unless you like JD's

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Ray Mercer (48 Years Old) Knocked Out Tim Sylvia in 9 Seconds @ Adrenaline III: Bragging Rights. Tim is not doin' too good right now.

[Lemmywinks]

Ray Mercer (48 Years Old) Knocked Out Tim Sylvia in 9 Seconds @ Adrenaline III: Bragging Rights. Tim is not doin' too good right now.

Possible career ender right there.I recall watching the Fedor/Sylvia title fight at a bar. No sound but the close caption was on and not so good. Tim was introduced as Tim"The Man Yak" Sylvia. Good times.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Even Kimbo Slice beat Ray Mercer. Tim's career is 'bout done now.

[Sutter Kane]

Tim Sylvia was never an impressive fighter, more like a freak show. Its amazing he ever got the heavyweight title so it really comes as no surprise. I wish the Franklin vs Silva had gone another 2 rounds. I miss the days when the axe murderer would run through opponents in under a minute.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Forgot to post the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqK6yJaE4mY

[Darkgod]

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[Darkgod]

He got pulled off his next card, so it looks like hes done.

[steelba]

damn that was quick.

[Darkgod]

they didnt wanna showcase a fighter beaten in 9 seconds

[steelba]

that was better than Anderson Silva's last fight :dsp:

At least this time he's got a real opponent in Forrest Griffen, who I now like after watching the Evans/Griffen fight. He was whooping on that p0s Evans until it hit the ground.

[Darkgod]

I was supposed to go to the one in Philly.... 101, but when my fiancee's cousin went to order the tickets, the only one left were 400 and 600.... so i kind of had to back out. Good solid card too.

[steelba]

damn that sux.

[NicMonsteR]

what do you all think of brock lesner. i personally am excited for the rematch with him and mir and i have high hope for lesner to win.

[C.H.U.D.]

^^^

I'm not excited about Lesner. He got a title fight after what...3 fights in the UFC due to his starpower alone? He beat Couture...but lets face it, Randy is an old man.

[steelba]

what do you all think of brock lesner. i personally am excited for the rematch with him and mir and i have high hope for lesner to win.
I think Brock is a joke :straightface:

[XArsenicx]

As far as Mir vs. Lesnar goes, I'm a big fan of Mir so I'd like to see him win again. He's got a good head on his shoulders and seems like a chill guy.

Although I know Brock Lesnar trains his ass off and really wants this fight. Either way, I hope I see a KO.

[Freddy316]

I don't really care who wins in the Lesnar/Mir fight, but I am kind of hoping to see Lesnar get submitted again. I am much more looking forward to the GSP/Alves fight.

[jabbawockee]

I'm with steelba lesnar is a punchline, I hope Mir beats him convincingly to shut a few people up. The rest of the card is what I am really looking forward to, Johnny Bones is my favorite up and comer his fight against Bonnar was beautiful. I am also predicting an Alves KO of GSP, people aren't really giving him much of a shot and the whole thing reeks of an upset.

[Apocalypse]

I hate both fighters, but I will give brock this, he seems to be a quick study.

[steelba]

I'm ordering this one, GSP :confident:

[Darkgod]

Steelba we still on for the bet... u Mir, me lesnar?

[steelba]

Steelba we still on for the bet... u Mir, me lesnar?
yup I keep my word.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

:shifty:

[Apocalypse]

I'm still trying to figure out how Alves is GSP's toughest fight, when GSP fought Jon Fitch and Jon Fitch TKO'd Alves's ass awhile back.

[Apocalypse]

Here are my winners for UFC 100


Mir

GSP

Fitch

Hendo

Bohnar

O'Brien

Danzig

Kim

Lawlor

Grice

Belcher

[steelba]

They only showed 2 undercard fights on the PPV :2far:

F Brock :finger3:

[Aurone]

Some are saying that UFC got a bit of a Black Eye last night, between Brock pulling a WWE and doing full blown heel, and that one guy continuing to attack Bisping after he was clearly out cold.

[TacK]

Brock is the man, him and Mir had a beef. Mir shouldn't have been running his mouth about how he is going to beat Lesnar in so many different ways.

[Get Some]

i would actually have to say brock lesner is a complete douche bag

[TacK]

He never once said he was doing anything for anyone but his self. Least he is honest.

[The Tall Man]

Brock Lesner:rockin:

[TacK]

Brock Lesner:rockin:


:greetings:

[The Tall Man]

Brock Lesner on the left:soldier: :cry: Opposition on the right

[cmurdur]

Never watching Brock again. His fighting style seems to be "lay on top of the guy and use rapid, small strikes." Incredibly boring display of "talent." Then the guy goes off and becomes a bigger tool by flipping off the audience, slamming one of the sponsors, doing the worst trash talking in UFC history, and finally being the "bigger man" by going to have sex with his wife. And even before the fight, he said Mir got lucky in their first fight. The real lucky one is Brock for being Dana's puppet to beat Couture with just a professional record of 2-1 before the fight. Now Dana has to deal with the monster her created.

Mir/Lesnar 2 should be a great starting point for the talk of a maximum weight limit for heavyweights. It's easy to lay on top of a guy if you're twenty pounds heavier.

Credit to Alves for lasting five rounds with GSP dominating him. Also loved seeing Hendo go all Shawn Michaels on Bisping's ass. Never liked him.

[The Tall Man]

say what you want but the man gets the job done and thats all i give a shit about, Tyson was also a dick but he fuckin ruled too. Basically what Im saying is that I dont care if he is a an asshole as long as he can back it up and he has so far. Y'all just haters who refuse to give him his props. His toughest challenge will be Fedor Emelianenko, if Lesner beats him he will be the best end of story

[TacK]

I LOVE Lesnar, but I do not believe for a second he could beat Fedor

[steelba]

Brock is a bitch and so are his fanboys :starefreak:

Lets see Brock try his bullshit on Fedor, the real heavyweight champ.

[cmurdur]

Lesnar thinks he's a god. He doesn't deserve that belt around his waist and I hope he got herpes from his skank wife that night.

[The Tall Man]

I LOVE Lesnar, but I do not believe for a second he could beat Fedor
I said IF he beat Fedor he would be the best, Brock will need more experience to beat Fedor but he is still kicking ass. We will cross that bridge when we come to it

[steelba]

That big dummy will never be able to defeat Fedor :smokin2:

[Get Some]

fedor is in affliction so he cant fight lesner until either fedor joins MMA or lesner joins affliction

[Lemmywinks]

Fedors next fight is his last under contract with Affliction who wants to re-sign him till 2012. Dana White wants Fedor in the UFC to of course fight Lesnar so time will tell. After Lesnars fight I wouldn't mind seeing Fedor beat the shit out of Lesnar after his three ring circus he pulled after he won. Lesnar did apologize but he solidified himself as a true villain in the UFC.

I for one was happy to see Henderson knock out Bisping regardless of Hendersons elbow being late and Bisping was clearly out. Somebody had to shut him up.

[ZION]

Fedors next fight is his last under contract with Affliction who wants to re-sign him till 2012. Dana White wants Fedor in the UFC to of course fight Lesnar so time will tell. After Lesnars fight I wouldn't mind seeing Fedor beat the shit out of Lesnar after his three ring circus he pulled after he won. Lesnar did apologize but he solidified himself as a true villain in the UFC.

I for one was happy to see Henderson knock out Bisping regardless of Hendersons elbow being late and Bisping was clearly out. Somebody had to shut him up.


Henderson KO was sick!!! He earned that $100,000 bonus.

[Lemmywinks]

Henderson KO was sick!!! He earned that $100,000 bonus.

Hell yeah he did. I don't blame Henderson I blame the ref. He didn't step in so Henderson kept going. Also during Lesnar/Mir Lesnar was choking Mir with his hand. Is that legal?

[The Tall Man]

http://mma-hits.com/uploads/2009/07/p1_ufc21.jpg
PWND

[LgOr]

Henderson's KO of Bisping was one of the ugliest KO's Ive ever seen. Put his whole body into the first right hand, and Bisping was out from there. Then Henderson again puts his whole body into another right coming down to land another clean shot on the jaw for good measure. Awesome. Henderson is the man, Bisping was a bitch who deserved it. As for Lesnar, at least he solidified himself as a PPV draw now, now that everyone who buys his fights are doing so just to see him lose. Mir was getting dominated that first fight until he got lucky or Lesnar got stupid, whichever you see it, and caught that leg bar. I knew going in Mir didnt stand a chance as long as Lesnar didnt get caught in anything. Wanna see Lesnar vs Velasquez or a veteran like Cro Cop

[TacK]

http://mma-hits.com/uploads/2009/07/p1_ufc21.jpg
PWND

*right-clicks, saves*

[Sutter Kane]

say what you want but the man gets the job done and thats all i give a shit about, Tyson was also a dick but he fuckin ruled too. Basically what Im saying is that I dont care if he is a an asshole as long as he can back it up and he has so far. Y'all just haters who refuse to give him his props. His toughest challenge will be Fedor Emelianenko, if Lesner beats him he will be the best end of story

Your right that Feydor would be his toughest challenge . Lesnar's a big dude who can manhandle through sheer brute force but what the "purists" hate is a lack of talent and real skill. Terrible boxer, terrible ground game but if you sit in Half guard he's gonna punch your fucking lights out. Beating Mir and a down-and-out Randy does not a true champ make.

And lets not forget that Mir arm-barred the shit out of the fool the first time around :cooldude:

[The Tall Man]

When is Lesner's next fight?

[Sutter Kane]

Hopefully tonight with the Shamwow hooker.

[Freddy316]

When is Lesner's next fight?
Probably not for a while. The winner of the Shane Carwin/Cain Velasquez fight at UFC 104 is most likely going to get the next title shot. I'd be interested to see Carwin fight Lesnar since Carwin is about 260 lbs which means Lesnar wouldn't have as much of a weight/strength advantage against him as he is used to having against the smaller heavyweights. Carwin is also undefeated (11-0) with every one of his fights ending with a first round knock out or submission. So for those like me who really want to see Lesnar get knocked out after the crap that he pulled after the fight last night, other then Fedor, Shane Carwin is our best chance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Carwin

[Apocalypse]

Mir just laid under Brock. He did not try to create space to pop his hips out at all so he could get in a better position. The ref kept telling Brock to do something or he would stand it up. Brock did hardly anything and it was never stood back up. Brock kept choking Mir with his hand and eye gouged Mir with his thumb right in front of the ref at the start. Both are illegal. He was not even warned. While I hate Brock and think he is a fraud. I think he will kill Fedor because I think Fedor is a bigger fraud.

[Joker]

Lesnar was a complete ass,the bad guy routine needs to stay in the wwe.I dont remember him acting like that when he was an amateur wrestler.
Until Fedor converts over I'm not sure anyone in MMA could beat this tank,Carwin will be the next to get a chance IMO.

[Freddy316]

While I hate Brock and think he is a fraud. I think he will kill Fedor because I think Fedor is a bigger fraud.
How exactly is Fedor a fraud? Have you seen his record or watched any of his fights?

[The Tall Man]

Fedor is amazing:nod:

[Apocalypse]

I myself think the UFC is getting as corrupt as boxing. So look for Dana to let Kimbo Slice win TUF 10. That way he can have him fight Brock.
You will have the 1 and 2 biggest fan drawing fighters in the octogon. Pure gold for the UFC.

[Apocalypse]

How exactly is Fedor a fraud? Have you seen his record or watched any of his fights?

////////////////////////

I told many of people when The UFC first tried to sign Fedor it will never happen. He will price himself out because he will be exposed as a fraud in The UFC. I was right then and I'm right now. Brock will kill him in the first round if he has the balls to sign this time.

[Freddy316]

The guy is 30-1 with 22 of those fights ending by knock out or submission. He is pretty much undefeated since his only loss isn’t even a real loss since the ref was forced to stop the fight because of a cut. His most recent two fights were first round knock out wins over two former UFC heavyweight champions. Still don't know how that makes him a fraud.

There are many reasons the contract with the UFC hasn't happened yet. It's not just about money. Neither side is willing to compromise which is unfortunate. I'm hoping a deal will eventually happen, but until it does we can only speculate what kind of impact Fedor would have in the UFC.

[The Tall Man]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b332/nokaut/fedor_nog.gif
Fedor is NO fraud

[XArsenicx]

Fedor knocked out Tim Sylvia's dumb ass in like 14 seconds. He's no fraud.

And Brock Lesnar sucks, he just has size and power. He's also way too cocky. He's only had 4 MMA fights. Someone needs to shut him up.

[ZION]

Brock's a bitch amd I would spit on his microwave size head!!:bitchslap:

[steelba]

Fedor is the best n00b :stare:

[The Tall Man]

http://i41.tinypic.com/wv69w5.gif
PWND

[Darkgod]

Man... people have to compalin about everything....

1. Hendo's punch was neither disgusting or illegal... the ref didn't stop the fight until after it. God forbid if the first punch didn't knock him out, and Hendo stopped and Bisping took advantage and won... you all would be knocking the shit out of Hendo. Thank god Hendo shut Bisping's mouth, cause he was nothing but a cunt in the TUF.

2. Are you kidding? Brock cheated? Why the hate. He didn't strangle him with his hand, he didn't eye gouge him with his thumb, get over it. He won. Where is everyone to say that it was bullshit in the first fight when without warning mazigatti called a back of the head shot and took a point away, or how he waited for brock to tap 6 times before breaking the hold. I am a fan of Brock and Mir both, but Mir got so lucky in the first fight. Brock was dumb and made a dumb mistake. Brock avenged that, did he go far with the shit talking and look like a dumb ass. Yea. But you cannot acknowledge he dominated. Did he look amazing standing up, no.... but he controlled a BJJ black belt on the ground and dominated. People are trying to say he has no ground game.... he is a fucking collegiate all american and national champion. His ground game is... wrestle them to the ground, and beat the shit out of them... why is it that Hughe's is loved by all and brock sucks.... they have the same exact style just 1 is 80 pounds heavier. People need to stop complaining about his style.
As for the weight limits... there are weight limits. On weigh day a heavyweight cannot weight more then 265, granted on fight night they can weigh whatever. but how much weight is 1 person gonna put on in 2 days. And all fighters put weight on, the weight it says at the time of the fight isn't what they weight right there.
Also... Fedor to the UFC is gonna happen. White knows he needs it, cause if Kimbo wins TUF, that leaves one drawing fight. Carwin is a good matchup, but its not gonna sell tickets.
Fedor is > then Brock though.

[Darkgod]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/15488/dana-white-says-fedor-emelianenko-will-fight-in-the-ufc-brock-lesnar-fight-imminent.mma

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Darkgod, you my friend are a dick. :D


why is it that Hughe's is loved by all and brock sucks

I hate them both equally :D

And j/k on the dick part.

[Darkgod]

lol... Im just saying their tecnique. I know Hughes is a dick, but he is considered the best welter weight champ ever.

[The Tall Man]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/15488/dana-white-says-fedor-emelianenko-will-fight-in-the-ufc-brock-lesnar-fight-imminent.mma
oh riiiight:yes:

[steelba]

lol... Im just saying their tecnique. I know Hughes is a dick, but he is considered the best welter weight champ ever.
GSP is the best :smokin2:

[Freddy316]

Yup, GSP beat Hughes twice and made it look easy both times.

[Sutter Kane]

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I told many of people when The UFC first tried to sign Fedor it will never happen. He will price himself out because he will be exposed as a fraud in The UFC. I was right then and I'm right now. Brock will kill him in the first round if he has the balls to sign this time.

Exposed as a fraud in the UFC... That's Noob talk

He won't sign because Dana White is a money grubbing punk bitch who don't want to pay out for good fighters. Pride FC payed Feydor at least a million a fight and that was years ago before UFC was really anything worth mentioning. Why don't you look into why Randy Couture, Matt Lindland, Tito Ortiz, BJ Penn and scores of others have left the UFC because of payment issues.

How about you do some research on the subject before blindly sweating Lesnars's Nutz.

Fuck UFC.

Feydor has beaten: Andre Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, Matt Lindland, mark Hunt, Mark Coleman, Crocop, Big Nogueira x3, Kevin Randleman, Gary Goodrich, Fujita, Ricardo Arona. Just to name a few

Lesnar has beaten: A washed up Frank Mir (who he lost to the first ime around) and a washed up Randy Couture.

Lesnar would get destroyed by someone like Nogueira or Feydor by submission or fedor would simply knock his chin into next Tuesday.

[jabbawockee]

First of all sutter it's Fedor not Feydor. And the UFC, like it or not, is responsible for the existence of the sport of MMA and has NEVER been not worth mentioning. Pride came into existence with little to no risk because they had the UFC to use as a market test and still epically failed after only about 6 years. I am so tired of people like you who pretend to be MMA fans and bash the company responsible for it. Oh yeah the UFC also makes their payouts public and there were undercard fighters who made more money then you do in a year on saturday so why don't you do some research before you go fucking anyone

[Misfit]

fight fight fight fight

[jabbawockee]

Steelba your sig will never get old, that was fucking gangster

[Misfit]

GSP is the best :smokin2:

:smokin2: indeed and he is canadian

[jabbawockee]

anybody see the jonny bones fight?, if not it was worth a watch. I see big things from this guy sometime soon

[Sutter Kane]

First of all sutter it's Fedor not Feydor. And the UFC, like it or not, is responsible for the existence of the sport of MMA and has NEVER been not worth mentioning. Pride came into existence with little to no risk because they had the UFC to use as a market test and still epically failed after only about 6 years. I am so tired of people like you who pretend to be MMA fans and bash the company responsible for it. Oh yeah the UFC also makes their payouts public and there were undercard fighters who made more money then you do in a year on saturday so why don't you do some research before you go fucking anyone

You can Spell...Good for you you really put me in my place.

Pride put out far better fights cards than UFC I only have to look at the last few UFC events for evidence of that. UFC brought it to MMA to America only. It was a popular sport long before American mainstream "Discovered" it. Lesnar got paid $ 400 k that ain't shit for a title holder.

The full payouts for the event included:

Jon Fitch: $90,000 (includes $45,000 win bonus)
def. Paulo Thiago: $8,000

Brock Lesnar: $400,000 (no win bonus)
def. Frank Mir: $45,000

Georges St-Pierre: $400,000 ($200,000 win bonus)
def. Thiago Alves: $60,000

Dan Henderson: $250,00 ($150,000 win bonus)
def. Michael Bisping: $150,000

Yoshihiro Akiyama: $60,000 ($20,000 win bonus)
def. Alan Belcher: $19,000

Mark Coleman: $100,000 ($50,000 win bonus)
def. Stephan Bonnar: $25,000

Jim Miller: $22,000 ($11,000 win bonus)
def. Mac Danzig: $20,000

Jon Jones: $18,000 ($9000 win bonus)
def. Jake O'Brien: $13,000

Dong Hyun Kim: $58,000 ($29,000 win bonus)
def. T.J. Grant: $5,000

Tom Lawlor: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. C.B. Dollway: $14,000

Shannon Gugerty: $10,000 ($5,000 win bonus)
def. Matt Grice: $7,000

Affliction alone payed Sylvia $800k for his fight with Fedor. 90k may be a lot for me and you but not to these guys.

[jabbawockee]

I don't think you understand, the UFC started MMA, started it. As in it didn't exist before the UFC. The UFC also has held events in Brazil, the UK, Ireland, Germany and Canada. Only one Pride event was ever held outside Japan and that was in California. The Ultimate Brazil event, where Wanderlei Silvia arguably Pride's biggest star got KTFO by Vitor Belfort, happened before Pride existed. So the UFC was an international entity before there was a Pride FC. Pride went under for financial reasons ie improper money management like overpaying fighters.

And as for the fight cards the UFC never held an event which featured Giant Silvia.

[Darkgod]

Well your both wrong on some things....

1. Sutter... fedor was offered 2 million a fight by UFC... the reason he turned down the contracts was because they said no to him doing Sambo competitions.

2. Affliction does big pay outs... and now is on the verge of going out of bussiness because no one is a draw.

3. UFC was created not for MMA... but as a shocase for Gracie Jiu-Jitsu... and the only reason MMA started was people realized you need to be versatile in order to compete.

4. Yes GSP is the best welterweight... but Huges has been called it in the past. i was just showing the comparison that people mock Brock for his style but praise Huges

[jabbawockee]

There still would be no MMA without the UFC; the early days yes it was a gracie thing but when Zuffa bought it, came up with a rule set and got it sanctioned in multiple states modern MMA was born.

Don't get me wrong, I know it may sound like I'm a UFC homer but I'm not. I love the sport as a whole and don't limit myself to one organization. I just wish people would give the UFC it's due respect, hate Dana White all you want but this conversation doesn't happen without him.

[Darkgod]

oh god.... Zuffa didn't come up with no rule set.... New Jersey did, when UFC was banned in America. Thats why their are weight classes.

But MMA as a whole was created as a defense to gracie JJ. If people where skilled in one aspect, and decent at BJJ then they could compete.

[Darkgod]

Btw... rules in UFC started in 1997... the same year as Pride... but 5 minute rounds didn't come till 1999, 2 years after pride... and the unified rules not till 2000

[jabbawockee]

I'm not referring to the technique. A gracie vehicle or not the UFC has always been mixed martial arts, different disciplines competing against one another. The technique evolved to incorporate multiple aspects like you said but what I am talking about is the sport as a whole.

[Darkgod]

BTW AGAIN..... Zuffa didn't buy UFC until 2001.... after all these rules where created....

[Darkgod]

I'm not referring to the technique. A gracie vehicle or not the UFC has always been mixed martial arts, different disciplines competing against one another. The technique evolved to incorporate multiple aspects like you said but what I am talking about is the sport as a whole.

No.... MMA as a discipline... came about after UFC... maybe around event 12 or 13 did you see MMA fighters. The only guy who is considred an MMA fighter before then is Shamrock... because he was multi-faceted

[jabbawockee]

That doesn't change the fact that the UFC did start MMA and has so far lasted nearly twice as long as pride.

[jabbawockee]

MMA is the name of the sport, not the name of a discipline people call themselves mixed martial artists because MMA player doesn't sound very good

[Darkgod]

the term MMA wasn't used for the first 10-12 events and was only started when people where called Mixed Martial Artists... meaning they did multiple styles.

[Revenant]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/15488/dana-white-says-fedor-emelianenko-will-fight-in-the-ufc-brock-lesnar-fight-imminent.mma

:rocker:

[Sutter Kane]

Vale Tudo was the first "MMA" institution that started off in Brazil back in the 1920's. UFC or specifically ZUFFA knows about marketing (even when the card sucks)and the old UFC wasn't above pulling cheap freak show fights like the Japanese did (Oleg Taktarov).

[XArsenicx]

Bruce Lee is the father of MMA. He was the first one to come up with the idea of learning multiple styles and philosophies and mixing them into your training. Back then, no one even knew what an armbar was until he did it in his movies.

[steelba]

Steelba your sig will never get old, that was fucking gangster
:rockin:

:smokin2: indeed and he is canadian
I like to pretend he isn't :straightface:

[steelba]

People have crossed trained in Martial arts since there beginnings in Asia, anyone who thinks UFC originated Cross Style fighting is ignorant. Cinese Wushu is mixed martial arts, combining hundreds of styles into one competitive form.

Back on track though, if Shane Carwin wins his next fight he gets to beat down Brock. Carwin is roughly the same size as Lesnar and none of his 11 fights/wins have made it past the halfway mark of the first round. Carwin also has a bigger glove size than Brock, sporting 5XL, while Brock wears 4XL.

[Freddy316]

Agreed. Like I said before, other then Fedor, Shane Carwin is our best chance at seeing Lesnar get knocked out. The guy has been a wrecking machine so far, he is close to the same size as Lesnar and he's 11-0 with all of his fights ending in the first round. Hopefully we'll see him beat down Lesnar soon. :boxing:

[Darkgod]

If it stands up Carwin has a chance, but if brock gets him to the ground its over. Carwin has no ground game. none.

[steelba]

He must have some if he has numerous wins by submission :starefreak:

Brock has no ground game he just gets on top of you and pummels his opponents with hammer fists :straightface:

[The Tall Man]

Although I'm well aware that Fedor is tops in the world I just want to see Lesnar knock everyone into next week

[Darkgod]

He has 4 wins by submission, none in the ufc. 3 are chokes which don't constitute having a ground game. One is an armbar, which does take skill but was done vs a chump. Brock is an all american wrestler, his ground game is good enough to hold a BJJ black belt down, and GNP him twice. And until a bullshit call by mazzagatti to stand it back up, then only did Mir have his chance.

[steelba]

Corwin is a wrestling coach :stare:

[XArsenicx]

He has 4 wins by submission, none in the ufc. 3 are chokes which don't constitute having a ground game. One is an armbar, which does take skill but was done vs a chump. Brock is an all american wrestler, his ground game is good enough to hold a BJJ black belt down, and GNP him twice. And until a bullshit call by mazzagatti to stand it back up, then only did Mir have his chance.

As a martial arts instructor I can tell you Lesnar's ground game technically isn't "good" when it comes to jiu jitsu. His wrestling is obviously good, but the only reason he was able to hold down Mir was because of his size.

[Darkgod]

Well as a "judo Player" I can tell you his technique is good for what his game plan is... He is a fucking NATIONAL WRESTLING CHAMPION... AN ALL AMERICAN... you cannot have shit ground game and be that. He is Matt Hughes plus 100 pounds

[steelba]

oh please he isn't even close to Hughes in terms of talent, LMFAO :lol2:

[Darkgod]

I know... hes a better wrestler, and hits a lot harder

[steelba]

He's a big POS that can't take a punch, he better be glad he kept Mir down, because he was getting rocked on his feet..

[Darkgod]

how do u know he can t take a punch? has he been ko'ed? I seem to remember carwin getting rocked by gonzaga and coming back

[XArsenicx]

Well as a "judo Player" I can tell you his technique is good for what his game plan is... He is a fucking NATIONAL WRESTLING CHAMPION... AN ALL AMERICAN... you cannot have shit ground game and be that. He is Matt Hughes plus 100 pounds

Hey hey, I'm a Judo practitioner as well. I can usually tell when someone has loads of talent and so far, Brock Lesnar's wrestling hasn't impressed me. Of course he's got skill in wrestling, but when it comes to wrestling in an MMA match up, he's falling short.

Matt Hughes on the other hand, you can tell he's not using his size to dominate his opponents. You can see all the technicalities going on. Brock just uses size and power.

[3/6]

Brock :coolblank:

[steelba]

http://mmamania.com/2009/07/12/ufc-quick-quote-shane-carwin-has-a-message-for-brock-lesnar/ :cooldude:

[Darkgod]

Just adding more buy rates by stirring up the pot early

[3/6]

LOL thats funny

brock is a beech for acting like he did

[Joker]

Hey hey, I'm a Judo practitioner as well. I can usually tell when someone has loads of talent and so far, Brock Lesnar's wrestling hasn't impressed me. Of course he's got skill in wrestling, but when it comes to wrestling in an MMA match up, he's falling short.


Looks like he did well enough to me,and against a jujitsu expert.
He used High School level wrestling moves too,simple stuff,double leg take down,controlled the wrist,cross faces,chest on chest pressure and half nelson were just a few of the moves I seen,should have been easily counterd.




Not sayin I like the guy,just sayin he is a lot more than just power.

[3/6]

Looks like he did well enough to me,and against a jujitsu expert.
He used High School level wrestling moves too,simple stuff,double leg take down,controlled the wrist,cross faces,chest on chest pressure and half nelson were just a few of the moves I seen,should have been easily counterd.




Not sayin I like the guy,just sayin he is a lot more than just power.

i agree

i dont know how people can begin to say brock has no ground game...dude won a national 'chip at
Wisconsin ( i mean minnesota :shifty: ). hes 106-5 in his collegiate career for christ sake

[Joker]

Minnesota

[Apocalypse]

These are the fighters whose nuts I hug since some idiots think I like Mir or Barak Lesner. Most are spelled wrong, but you get the idea.



Loyoto Machida

Kenny Florian

Dan Henderson

Jon Fitch ( Home town hero)

Gray Maynard

Clay Guida

Randy Coture

Miguell Tores

Shogun Rua

Matt Brown

Keith Jardine

Demian Maia

Cameron Dollar

Junie Browning

Dong Hyun Kim

Josh Koscheck

Joe Lauzon

Josh Barnett

Chris Cyborg Santos

[Apocalypse]

i agree

i dont know how people can begin to say brock has no ground game...dude won a national 'chip at
Wisconsin ( i mean minnesota :shifty: ). hes 106-5 in his collegiate career for christ sake

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Fucking growth hormone will do that for you. If you think that fuck was ever clean I got a bridge to sell you. From one user to another don't try to fucking lie brock.

[Apocalypse]

Sorry, cain is a racist punk as fraud. Let some white man say he wants to be the greatest white fighter ever and see what scum buckets say. Carwin if you can't beat this punk in the first round you need to quit.

[XArsenicx]

Looks like he did well enough to me,and against a jujitsu expert.
He used High School level wrestling moves too,simple stuff,double leg take down,controlled the wrist,cross faces,chest on chest pressure and half nelson were just a few of the moves I seen,should have been easily counterd.




Not sayin I like the guy,just sayin he is a lot more than just power.

Frank Mir couldn't defend against those simple techniques because Brock is too big and strong. No matter how technical somebody is, brute strength will overcome that.

[Darkgod]

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Fucking growth hormone will do that for you. If you think that fuck was ever clean I got a bridge to sell you. From one user to another don't try to fucking lie brock.

He's clean, He's been the same size since forever. They have pics of him in highschool, and even when he was 13. He was always huge.

[steelba]

Frank Mir couldn't defend against those simple techniques because Brock is too big and strong. No matter how technical somebody is, brute strength will overcome that.
Incorrect or Kimo and Dan Severn would have beat gracie, and Bruce Lee wouldn't be a legend by those standards :nono:

[The Tall Man]

Sorry, cain is a racist punk as fraud. Let some white man say he wants to be the greatest white fighter ever and see what scum buckets say. Carwin if you can't beat this punk in the first round you need to quit.

Why are you still talking? go be fat somewhere else No0b

[XArsenicx]

Incorrect or Kimo and Dan Severn would have beat gracie, and Bruce Lee wouldn't be a legend by those standards :nono:

True in most situations, but when somebody is THAT strong and THAT much bigger than you, you're limited to what you can do. Royce Gracie got a beat down from Matt Hughes mainly because Hughes was so much stronger than him.

Jiu-Jitsu is all about momentum, but like I said, Brock is so strong that even using his own momentum against him is quite hard to do.

[Darkgod]

True in most situations, but when somebody is THAT strong and THAT much bigger than you, you're limited to what you can do. Royce Gracie got a beat down from Matt Hughes mainly because Hughes was so much stronger than him.

Jiu-Jitsu is all about momentum, but like I said, Brock is so strong that even using his own momentum against him is quite hard to do.

Gracie lost... because he was old when he faught hughes... if hughes in his prime fought gracie it would be a different fight

[XArsenicx]

Gracie lost... because he was old when he faught hughes... if hughes in his prime fought gracie it would be a different fight

Yeah, but the Gracie's are also pretty much the best Jiu Jitsu practitioners alive. You can't compare Frank Mir to Royce Gracie.

When Royce beat Dan Severn, Ken Shamrock, and Kimo, the Gracie's were basically introducing BJJ into the sport of MMA and after that, everybody started learning it.

[Freddy316]

When Royce beat Dan Severn, Ken Shamrock, and Kimo, the Gracie's were basically introducing BJJ into the sport of MMA and after that, everybody started learning it.
This is true. Back during Gracie's time BJJ was new to MMA and not many people knew how to defend against it, which is why he was able to beat so many bigger guys with it. These days everyone trains in everything so just being good in BJJ alone isn't enough anymore. MMA has evolved a lot since those early days.

[XArsenicx]

This is true. Back during Gracie's time BJJ was new to MMA and not many people knew how to defend against it, which is why he was able to beat so many bigger guys with it. These days everyone trains in everything so just being good in BJJ alone isn't enough anymore.

Exactly. You don't even need to know Jiu Jitsu to get into the UFC anymore. You can be dominant just knowing wrestling and kickboxing.

[Freddy316]

I wouldn't say you don't need to know Jiu-Jitsu. In MMA today you need to know everything to be good. If you are missing one thing you will have a hole in your game that other fighters will exploit. If you don't know anything about Jiu-Jitsu, you'll end up getting submitted, if you don't know anything about boxing you will end up getting knocked out, if you don't know anything about wrestling you'll end up being taken down and overpowered etc. In todays MMA you need to be well-rounded in every aspect of it to be successful.

[XArsenicx]

I wouldn't say you don't need to know Jiu-Jitsu. In MMA today you need to know everything to be good. If you are missing one thing you will have a hole in your game that other fighters will exploit. If you don't know anything about Jiu-Jitsu, you'll end up getting submitted, if you don't know anything about boxing you will end up getting knocked out etc. In todays MMA you need to be well-rounded in every aspect of it to be successful.

I know, but I meant you don't need to be "great" on the ground. A lot of today's fighters don't even go to the ground.

But I admit to be the best fighter you need to be good in every aspect.

[Darkgod]

Yeah, but the Gracie's are also pretty much the best Jiu Jitsu practitioners alive. You can't compare Frank Mir to Royce Gracie.

When Royce beat Dan Severn, Ken Shamrock, and Kimo, the Gracie's were basically introducing BJJ into the sport of MMA and after that, everybody started learning it.

wait your contradicting yourself... you say that Brock only is good because of his size and strength, but then say hughes is the same way, I saw Hughes won cause gracie was old. And then you say how Gracie won vs all the bigger guys..... you lost me,

[XArsenicx]

wait your contradicting yourself... you say that Brock only is good because of his size and strength, but then say hughes is the same way, I saw Hughes won cause gracie was old. And then you say how Gracie won vs all the bigger guys..... you lost me,

So many things have changed in MMA over the past 10 years it's ridiculous. Brock Lesnar is only good in MMA because of his size and strength.

Matt Hughes is very talented, but his strength is his strong point.

There are so many factors to compare to determine who is the better martial artist. It's an endless argument. Age, size, reach advantage, height, timing, technique, flow, luck, speed, etc. It's way too many factors to determine.

[Darkgod]

But you have to remember... he faced guys the same size as himself in his collegiate run... and Dominated. He has skill in wrestling, and granted he is no BJJ guy... but he took what many consider the second best heavyweight on the ground (behind only NOG) and made him look weak. He even was able to grab wrist control, which is rare for Mir to fall into. Im not saying hes a Mir or a Nog on the ground, but his ground game is perfect for his game plan... he knows GnP is his strong suit, so he uses his two best assest... his wrestling, and his raw power. People really hate on the guy, and it mostly stems from the fact he was a pro wrestler... well there are guys in Pro wrestling who are legitamte bad asses. Allen Coage was bad News Allen in the wwe... but in 1972 and 76, he was an olympic bronze medalist in Judo. I dunno about Lashley, but the guy looks decent enough so far. And even though he is too old, Im sure Angle could have been a decent Light-heavyweight.

[The Tall Man]

But you have to remember... he faced guys the same size as himself in his collegiate run... and Dominated. He has skill in wrestling, and granted he is no BJJ guy... but he took what many consider the second best heavyweight on the ground (behind only NOG) and made him look weak. He even was able to grab wrist control, which is rare for Mir to fall into. Im not saying hes a Mir or a Nog on the ground, but his ground game is perfect for his game plan... he knows GnP is his strong suit, so he uses his two best assest... his wrestling, and his raw power. People really hate on the guy, and it mostly stems from the fact he was a pro wrestler... well there are guys in Pro wrestling who are legitamte bad asses. Allen Coage was bad News Allen in the wwe... but in 1972 and 76, he was an olympic bronze medalist in Judo. I dunno about Lashley, but the guy looks decent enough so far. And even though he is too old, Im sure Angle could have been a decent Light-heavyweight.

it would've been nice to see Angle in MMA but sadly its far to late for that, father time has taken care of that

[Darkgod]

and a prescription drug addiction

[XArsenicx]

I'm not avoiding the facts about Lesnar's wrestling and I think Mir could have done A LOT better than he did, but I think the guy is a disgrace to martial arts in general.

Martial arts are about respect, discipline, and in general, making yourself the best person you can be. Most of these fighting leagues killed the initial purpose of martial arts. It makes people join just to beat up on people and to feel cool and people like Brock Lesnar promote that image.

[Darkgod]

Well this isn't a Martial Arts tournament... its a fighting leauge. Granted the guys have technique but your not really going in to watch it about sportsmanship. It's about who is a better fighter. Hence why some guys touch gloves, some don't hell GSP bows to everyone

[XArsenicx]

It doesn't matter if it's a tournament or if it's a fighting league. In the beginning days of martial arts, people were competing to prove who was better. Obviously with combat, you have competition.

There are many martial artists out there such as myself who believe strongly in the deeper meaning of martial arts and it's sad that the modern world is slowly killing it.

[The Tall Man]

god damn it!
Lesnar is not there to make friends he is there to win! thats it plain and simple!
no one wants to give him the respect then he will just take it wither or not they like it

[steelba]

Lesnar can take this :finger3:

[The Tall Man]

Lesnar can take this :finger3:

some how i think Lesnar would just break that finger off and shuf it up yer arse

[steelba]

Pffft that big Inbred-Jed :no:

[The Tall Man]

Pffft that big Inbred-Jed :no:
http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/uploaded_images/LEBOWSKI-714156.jpg

[XArsenicx]

some how i think Lesnar would just break that finger off and shuf it up yer arse

Not even Lesnar can stand up to small joint manipulation. :starefreak:

[The Reaper]

LESNER OWNS THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION...
DEAL WITH IT.

[XArsenicx]

LESNER OWNS THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION...
DEAL WITH IT.

Lesnar fans... :dsp:

[voodoo]

Lesnar fans... :dsp:

Annoying as always...

[XArsenicx]

:thumbup:

[The Tall Man]

Not even Lesnar can stand up to small joint manipulation. :starefreak:

He doesn't need to stand up to it, he just smashes the opponents face in first:smokin:

[steelba]

Carwin will whoop him.

[The Tall Man]

Carwin will whoop him.
Time will tell

[C.H.U.D.]

Who really cares about Lesnar when we have talk of GSP vs Silva?!?!?!?

Talk about a dream match!

[XArsenicx]

He doesn't need to stand up to it, he just smashes the opponents face in first:smokin:

:no:

I'm sorry, but joint manipulation and pressure points are the most painful things ever.

[Freddy316]

Who really cares about Lesnar when we have talk of GSP vs Silva?!?!?!?

Talk about a dream match!
I agree. GSP vs. Anderson Silva is the fight I want to see most.

[Lemmywinks]

Who really cares about Lesnar when we have talk of GSP vs Silva?!?!?!?

Talk about a dream match!

Possible fight of the year right there.

[steelba]

Silva would destroy GSP

[XArsenicx]

Silva would destroy GSP

GSP looked pretty damn good against Thiago Alves.

[steelba]

GSP and Rampage are my fav fighters but...
you think Thiago is in the same league with Anderson Silva :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

[Lemmywinks]

GSP and Rampage are my fav fighters but...
you think Thiago is in the same league with Anderson Silva :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

That he is not. But I am not counting Forrest Griffin out vs. Silva. I did when Griffin fought Rampage and look where that got me.

[SithPsyco]

I agree. GSP vs. Anderson Silva is the fight I want to see most.

I wanna see this of Lesnar vs Lashley.

[XArsenicx]

GSP and Rampage are my fav fighters but...
you think Thiago is in the same league with Anderson Silva :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Nope, but GSP is in the same league as Silva.

[Lemmywinks]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Dana-White-Shaq-wants-to-fight-Brock-Lesnar-?urn=nba,176709

Found this interesting and somewhat funny. Kind of old news too as Shaq has made public he wants to fight in the UFC.

[SithPsyco]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Dana-White-Shaq-wants-to-fight-Brock-Lesnar-?urn=nba,176709

Found this interesting and somewhat funny. Kind of old news too as Shaq has made public he wants to fight in the UFC.

Yeah I read about that, he thinks he can do it cuz Jose Canseco going into MMA and getting his ass stomped that he can do it cuz hes a "bigger" guy, I hope to see Shaq make it and get the crap kicked outta him.