MMA Thread

[Lemmywinks]

Give Shaq and Lashely a debut by fighting each other.

[SithPsyco]

LMFAO man Lashley would rip Shaq apart.

[Lemmywinks]

Either way it would be entertaining.

[SithPsyco]

Oh yeah it would, I'd pay to see Lashley toy with Shaq in a fight, then just beat the hell outta him.

[Apocalypse]

Just what we need more pro wrestling fags and their homo fans coming into MMA. Dana, I sure wish the mafia you ran from in New Jersey would have caught your ass before you destroyed my sport. Look in the crowed its Vince McMann he nows owns 50% of the ufc.

[steelba]

That he is not. But I am not counting Forrest Griffin out vs. Silva. I did when Griffin fought Rampage and look where that got me.
Forrest got gifted another decision he didn't deserve, all the TUF guys get rigged matches.
They finally let Bisping (another protected TUF fighter) go against a real opponent and we all know how that ended *points at sig* :confident:

[Freddy316]

Silva would destroy GSP
If the fight stays on the feet I would agree with you, Anderson has much better striking then GSP and would likely beat GSP by knock out if it's mostly a boxing match. However, GSP has great wrestling and can take pretty much anyone down - if he can take Anderson down which I think he could then GSP would have the advantage and likely control Anderson with his wrestling and either win a descision or possibly ground and pound his way to a TKO victory.

[steelba]

Silva controlled Dan Henderson an Olympic wrestler on the ground so I am doubtful.

[Freddy316]

True, that was an impressive win for Silva. But on the other hand GSP was able to control Matt Hughes and Josh Koscheck, two of the UFC's best wrestlers on the ground. There is no doubt that GSP and Anderson Silva are the two most impressive fighters in the UFC which is why this fight must happen, and if it does I wouldn't even bother trying to predict a winner.

[steelba]

I'd watch it but i'd much rather see Silva fighting at 205.

[Lemmywinks]

Forrest got gifted another decision he didn't deserve, all the TUF guys get rigged matches.
They finally let Bisping (another protected TUF fighter) go against a real opponent and we all know how that ended *points at sig* :confident:

Interesting point. I do remember the Griffin/Jardine fight where I thought Griffin would out strike him but went wrong there so i'm 50/50 on the TUF guys being protected. On the other hand I forget against who but it was in Bispings hometown so he got the decision and didn't deserve it. Now having Griffin take on Silva again its working both ways.

I have to mention one more time I freaking loved what Henderson did to Bisping and no it wasn't a late hit. Ref doesn't stop the fight the fighter will keep fighting. Henderson was the one to shut that cocky prick up.

[Darkgod]

Yeah I read about that, he thinks he can do it cuz Jose Canseco going into MMA and getting his ass stomped that he can do it cuz hes a "bigger" guy, I hope to see Shaq make it and get the crap kicked outta him.

You know nothing. He isn't doing it because Canseco did it, and hes a bigger guy. He wants to do it cause he legit trains in MMA. He's trained by an actual Gracie in BJJ, not at a strip mall karate school like some people claim. Joe Rogan ( who himself is rumored to be pretty decent too) is considered one of the best judges of talent, and he said the only flaw in shaq is his size, as it can be used against him. If your gonna contribute, know what your talking about before you just spout something

[Lemmywinks]

Looks like Bobby Lashely left the MMA world behind. He went back to TNA wrestling.

[Lemmywinks]

http://www.themmanews.com/?cat=33

Barnett vs. Fedor cancelled. Barnett tests positive for steroids. 20 plus fighters sign to the UFC some fights that were supposed to happen on the August 1st Affliction undercard will happen at UFC 104. Dana White says bigger things are going to happen now for the UFC I hope that means Fedor signs and takes Lesnar out.

http://affliction-mma.com/?p=761

Arvloski takes a stab at pro boxing though claims MMA is still his main focus.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Lemmy you are talkin' 'bout the Bisping vs. Hamill fight. Hamill should have won that fight.

[Lemmywinks]

Lemmy you are talkin' 'bout the Bisping vs. Hamill fight. Hamill should have won that fight.

Ahhh thank you. Hamill was robbed big time that night. Hence thank you Dan Henderson for knocking that prick the fuck out. I wll end this post by saying Steelba has the coolest sig as of now running on the board.

[Darkgod]

Looks like Bobby Lashely left the MMA world behind. He went back to TNA wrestling.

Nope... its in his contract to do both

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Ahhh thank you. Hamill was robbed big time that night. Hence thank you Dan Henderson for knocking that prick the fuck out. I wll end this post by saying Steelba has the coolest sig as of now running on the board.

No Problem. The weird thing 'bout that fight is... The 2 judges that voted for Bisping were American and the 1 judge that voted for Hamill was a Brit.

[Lemmywinks]

Nope... its in his contract to do both

No shit? Makes me wonder about Shaq and his WWE adventure.

[Darkgod]

that was a 1 time thing, robert englund was contacted but turned it down

[Lemmywinks]

I do know Jeremy Piven is up next. I wouldn't mind seeing Shaq in an MMA fight. His height,reach and Muay Thai experience would be interesting to see.

[Lemmywinks]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-fedorufc073109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Fedor will not sign Tito Ortiz coming back.

[steelba]

Fedor signed with Strikeforce and i'm cool with it, Dana White is a douche so it's nice he didn't get what he wanted. Pushing off Rampage/Machida for Evans/Rampage was weak but he did it for that TUF that I never watch..

Dana can't seem to set Anderson Silva up with any worthwhile fights either. I know Forrest is popular but come on, he's gonna get destroyed. Silva's last fight was the worst fight i've ever seen, and GSP is just gonna beat down anyone he faces at 170. Outside of the LH division and wanting to see Brock lose i'm not to stoked for any upcoming UFC events.

Fedor vs Courture then Lesnar woulda been sweet.
I'll just have to start checking out Strikeforce to see who he's gonna pummel next :nod:

Here is Dana White's angry interview about the signing http://www.mmatko.com/dana-white-explodes-over-fedor-negotiations/

[Ferox13]

The thing about Fedor going to Strikeforce is that there is no real good competition for him. Who are the best HWs on their roster? Overeem or Werdum? Am i missing anyone that could give him any sort of fight?

Buentello or Brett Rogers are way too one dimensional to for Fedor. Is Andrei Arlovski with SF? I could have seen a rematch there if he wasn't destroyed by Rodgers. I was suprised how well his stand up (especially his kicks) was against Fedor until his 'jump into the air hands down move'..

You're very right about GSP and Silva - not a lot of people out there for them to fight.

Lesnar can be beat but not sure by who. He can definally be rocked on his feet but his take downs seem so unstoppable, he almost always get the choice of where to take the fight.

[steelba]

Well I agree with everything you said, but here's the thing with UFC's heavy weights vs Strikeforce... UFC doesn't really have anyone worthy either, I mean there's Brock and then there's Brock. Carwin vs Cain Valasquez is up soon and after that fight there is 1 less legit contender for Fedor. Please don't say Frank Mir he'd get owned, and Coututre is one of my favorites but I think he's a lil to old at 46 to be defeating Fedor who is 13 years younger. Then there is Crocop in UFC who lets face it isn't all that. So I really don't see that much of a difference, except we're not getting Fedor vs Brock. It's only a 3 fight deal with Strikeforce, if Fedor (likely)and Brock(less likely) remain undefeated for there next few fights it would setup a HUGE fight and Dana would have to get a deal done no matter what

[Ferox13]

Well I agree with everything you said, but here's the thing with UFC's heavy weights vs Strikeforce... UFC doesn't really have anyone worthy either, I mean there's Brock and then there's Brock. Carwin vs Cain Valasquez is up soon and after that fight there is 1 less legit contender for Fedor. Please don't say Frank Mir he'd get owned, and Coututre is one of my favorites but I think he's a lil to old at 46 to be defeating Fedor who is 13 years younger. Then there is Crocop in UFC who lets face it isn't all that. So I really don't see that much of a difference, except we're not getting Fedor vs Brock. It's only a 3 fight deal with Strikeforce, if Fedor (likely)and Brock(less likely) remain undefeated for there next few fights it would setup a HUGE fight and Dana would have to get a deal done no matter what

No arguments there really - but the fact is going to strike force we're missing the fight Fedor getting to fight any one decent AND missing a chance for Brock to get knocked on his ass.

I really like to see Lesnar get beaten by an underdog, someone like Cheick Kongo - its unlikely but it could happen.

Big Nog has all the tools to beat him too but unfortunally Nog has been in too many wars and isn't the man he used to be. Nog being knocked out by Mir was the saddest day for me in UFC history (Sak vs Wandyx3 was worse) That being said Nog is the kinda guy to take a beating for 5 rounds and pull out an armbar. If any one can armbar Lesnar its big Nog..

Oh also forgot to mention seems like Strikeforce are doing some shows with DREAM - so you can add Monson , Kharitonov and Manhoef (hes really LHW though) to the roster. Not sure what difference it will make..Monson might be a weird match for Fedor though. I'd like to see him fight Sergei Kharitonov , though i don't think he'd offer much (his brother also dealt with him too)And also Hong Man Choi but I imagine Fedor would destroy hiim again and Bob Sapp (nuff said)

[steelba]

dream and strikeforce merged so the fighters are pooled.

[Freddy316]

Brett Rogers is the only guy in strikeforce that I would be kind of interested seeing Fedor fight right now. Rogers is undefeated and most recently got an impressive KO victory over Andre Arlovski. Still, Fedor would likely make easy work out of him.

Sucks that the deal with the UFC didn't happen, there are a lot of guys in the UFC that I would have loved to see Fedor fight. Besides all of the UFC's HW's, there are a lot of top notch fighters in LHW that could have possibly stepped up for a crack at Fedor - Machida and Rampage come to mind. Hell, Anderson Silva has said in interviews that he walks around at around 215 lbs before cutting weight so even he could have possibly moved up for a crack against Fedor.

Anderson Silva vs. Fedor is a fight that would have been great to see and when you think about it there wouldn't even really much of a size difference between the two - Fedor is only about 230 lbs and assuming Anderson came in at his natural weight which is around 215 that would mean only a 15 lbs weight difference between the two. So yeah, it sucks that Fedor is not in the UFC.

[steelba]

Dana White should have just done the co promotion for 3 fights and gotten 3 of the biggest fights in MMA history. People bitch about it being so unreasonable but f that were true Strikeforce wouldn't have made the deal. Furthermore cross promotions are the norm in Boxing which generates much more income and pays it's athletes MUCH better. UFC is a cold hearted monopoly that F's over alot of it's non marque fighters.

I will probably be ordering Showtime just so I can see these Fedor fights and then canceling it after. it's only like $10 a month for showtime vs $45 dollars for 1 UFC PPV, which happen atleast once a month and are rarely worth the price :starefreak:

[Ferox13]

Dana White should have just done the co promotion for 3 fights and gotten 3 of the biggest fights in MMA history. People bitch about it being so unreasonable but f that were true Strikeforce wouldn't have made the deal. Furthermore cross promotions are the norm in Boxing which generates much more income and pays it's athletes MUCH better. UFC is a cold hearted monopoly that F's over alot of it's non marque fighters.

I will probably be ordering Showtime just so I can see these Fedor fights and then canceling it after. it's only like $10 a month for showtime vs $45 dollars for 1 UFC PPV, which happen atleast once a month and are rarely worth the price :starefreak:

In fairness to Dana White, i think he prolly feels bit in the ass after the Pride Co-Promotions.

[steelba]

In fairness to Dana White, i think he prolly feels bit in the ass after the Pride Co-Promotions.
He really shoulda put his money where his mouth iz and got the deal done. There is no conceivable way a 3-5 fight deal with co-promotional rights could have bankrupted the UFC. A Brock vs Fedor UFC would likely do more than 2 million PPV buys.. I know for a fact I would get together with a few friends and we'd just split it.

Dana White iz truning the UFC into the WWE with all the Lesnar antics, and the first 'villain' of the sport. Not to mention he calls Fedor a bitch and insults any fighter who isn't signed with his label, McMahon anyone??

[Ferox13]

He really shoulda put his money where his mouth iz and got the deal done. There is no conceivable way a 3-5 fight deal with co-promotional rights could have bankrupted the UFC. A Brock vs Fedor UFC would likely do more than 2 million PPV buys.. I know for a fact I would get together with a few friends and we'd just split it.

Dana White iz truning the UFC into the WWE with all the Lesnar antics, and the first 'villain' of the sport. Not to mention he calls Fedor a bitch and insults any fighter who isn't signed with his label, McMahon anyone??


Not sure what you mean?

I'm talking about Chuck in the tournie and Pride not sending Sak or who ever else they promised to fight in the octogon..

[Freddy316]

I'm not a big fan of Dana but he did everything he could to sign Fedor. He offered him a truckload of money, an instant title shot, he allowed Fedor to wear M1 logos on his shorts and he even allowed him to continue to fight in his Sambo competitions. The one and only thing he would not do is agree to co-promote and being as that he and the Ferreta's are the ones who made the UFC what it is today who is M1 to come in and say we want half of what you spent all these years building and become a partner in exchange for one fighter. That's BS.

[steelba]

They didn't want half of what the UFC had already amassed, they wanted half of what "NEW" revenue Fedor's fights would generate. Again it wasn't to outrageous because another company quickly agreed. The best fighters in the world will likely leave the brand and challenge Fedor wherever he fights. Brock is a pure hype as far as i'm concerned and wont be able to maintain his title for very long.

Once Couture's contract is up watch how quick he signs with strikeforce to fight Fedor. Same goes for any of them... The prestige of being the one to finally defeat Fedor is far to lucrative for them not to pursue him in whatever organization he fights for.

I'm curious as to when we're gonna get some worthy fights from UFC. Kenny Kenflo Noname vs BJ. Penn is not interesting. BJ is gonna win easily and if he doesn't it's because it's time for him to retire like Lidell, Hughes etc.. Silva vs Griffen is another waste as Silva will win easily. If he doesn't then me and the rest of the world will be more than shocked. Machida vs Shogun is worthless, Shogun was getting owned by Lidell until his glass jaw broke again :straightface:
Rampage vs Evans should be good but that wont be until December and Rampage should plow through the shell shocked Evans.

To be honest outside of Shane Carwin vs Brock Lesnar there aren't any match-ups too intriguing on the front-line. Who's left for GSP? Will Dana ever set Anderson Silva up against a worthy opponent (Rampage, Machida, GSP)??
None of the more dominant fighters in the UFC seem to be mixing it up. Why didn't Frank Mir get the title shot against Randy Couture instead of Brock (having only 2 wins and 1 loss to Mir)? Mir didn't lose again until he had the rematch. Why? Because of more scripted bullshit Dana politics. The same ones that sheltered the now exposed Bisping from real competition.

Not saying some of the upcoming fights wont be entertaining but they aren't worth the $45 PPV ticket price. If they slapped a few of them on Spike or CBS or whatever, then we're talking..

[Freddy316]

I wouldn't count Florian out so fast. He has been on a roll as of late with a six fight win streak against some good names and he is hungry for the title. Whoever ends up winning it should be an exciting fight. I also wouldn't be so quick to count out Griffin, he is after all a former champion at 205 and Anderson has yet to face off against any of the top guys at 205. I think Anderson will win it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Griffin were able to pull it off. I agree with pretty much everything else you said.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

K Flo is a good fighter... Didn't read anythin' else after you called him a noname.

[steelba]

you're loss beetch :starefreak:

[Darkgod]

Dana is known to not give the fans what they want to see... I mean when pride was purchased, Shogun and Liddel where the best LHW... and when did we get that fight 6 months ago, when Liddel was a shell? Evans ever get his rematch for the title... no but hes hosting TUF again? c'mon Dana...

[steelba]

Here are the details about Fedor's deal with Strikeforce with the CEO of Strikeforce. Really good interview http://www.examiner.com/x-14354-NY-MMA-Examiner~y2009m8d4-Strikeforce-signs-Fedor-at-their-own-risk


Fedor and M1Global respond to Dana White and the UFC, article made me laugh :mhehe:
http://sherdog.com/news/news/update-coker-responds-to-strikefarce-comment-fedor-m-1-swing-back-at-ufc-18948

[IKickAssForTheLord]

you're loss beetch :starefreak:

:2far:

[Ferox13]

I wouldn't count Florian out so fast. He has been on a roll as of late with a six fight win streak against some good names and he is hungry for the title. Whoever ends up winning it should be an exciting fight..

I agree - calling him a know name is a bit harsh.

I can't see either one subbing the other. I think Kenny Muai Thai is better than BJs but I can't see BJ losing on the ground. The longer it goes the better chance Kenny has. I don't think he can win but he can make thru the first couple of rounds his chances will improve.

[steelba]

that fool iz talking way to much shit, BJ gonna rape him in the ring :smokin2:

[Get Some]

anyone got a free stream to this ufc? thanks either way

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I'll probably try to find one around 10.

[Freddy316]

Cheapos. :dsp:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

this PPV ain't worth the 50.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Good thing I didn't pay for it. Wasn't worth 50 bucks. Yeah I got to see my boy BJ choke out K Flo which was good. And that Silva Vs Forrest fight was bogus. I was not expectin' that to happen and so quickly. Forrest just seem lost in that fight.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Cheapos. :dsp:

If it's a good card then fuck yeah I'll get it. But if its so-so then why spend so much while I can just watch it for free. I think I've gottin' my share of the PPV's to where I can watch a free one once an awhile.

[LgOr]

by far one of the cheapest shots landed I have ever seen, just seemed totally fake man that fucking sucks. Silva going backwards throws this little itty bitty right and just total bs, dive all the way

[steelba]

Good thing I didn't pay for it. Wasn't worth 50 bucks. Yeah I got to see my boy BJ choke out K Flo which was good. And that Silva Vs Forrest fight was bogus. I was not expectin' that to happen and so quickly. Forrest just seem lost in that fight.
My main man darkgod can tell you I called the Silva fight, not out of the first :smokin2:


Kenny ken flo (who)?
oh it's loser just like i said so :stfu:

[Sutter Kane]

BJ pwned that fool. I never liked KenFlo.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Steelba :finger3: K Flo is not a loser. This must be the first time you seen him fight. But oh well, I'm a BJ Fan so I'm glad he lost though :D.

[3/6]

cant believe forest went out so quick :dsp:

[Freddy316]

Florian is a great fighter but Penn showed that he was the better fighter last night so props to him. At the UFC101 post fight conference Dana said Diego Sanchez will probably be the next challenger for Penn's belt. I was really happy to hear that because I've been wanting to see Diego vs. Penn for a long time, should be an exciting fight since both guys are known to really bring it. I think that has the potential to be fight of the year.

Also, Anderson Silva's next fight will be back at 185 in a title defense against Dan Henderson. RIP Dan Henderson.

[steelba]

This is great news! Henderson deserves the rematch because he wants to fight the spider. He's the only one at 185 that has a chance against Silva. I wanna see Silva vs the best at 205 though. I knew Forrest couldn't handle a world class fighter and was right. It was pathetic how he just got up and ran out of the ring in shame :dsp:
He usually does a post fight interview but after getting embarrassed on every level he just split.

I would say that kick is right it wasn't worth the $45, it was 2 great fighters fighting people that never had a chance outside of the fans fool hope they gave them. Didn't take much to determine the outcome of these fights. At least Couture/Nog will be interesting to see who gets the W.

[Lemmywinks]

Silva is just freaking scary at every aspect of MMA. Looking forward to his rematch with Henderson.

[Darkgod]

My main man darkgod can tell you I called the Silva fight, not out of the first :smokin2:


Kenny ken flo (who)?
oh it's loser just like i said so :stfu:

He did... he had it pegged, and was gonna bet... but never pulled the trigger... I would be wearing someone else sig right now.

I do also think he took a dive... I've seen Griffen's arm break and him beat the guy sensless.... and he gets Ko'd on a backing up punch

[steelba]

He was out of the fight after the first knockdown, he was over matched.

[Freddy316]

Kind of odd to see Griffin just quit after such a weak punch though. Not saying he took a dive, it's just seems unlike him since like Darkgod mentioned he has continued fighting even after breaking his arm in the past. He did look like he was kind of out of it before that punch though so it was probably the beating that he took before that punch that did the most damage.

[Darkgod]

Im not taking anything away from Silva... he is pound for pound top 3, but after his last fight, it wouldn't shock me if Griffen was thrown out there to make him look more exciting.

[steelba]

He got his ass kicked all over the ring anyone who saw it differently is delusional.

[Darkgod]

He def. did, BTW another shittt ref stopage on the Amir Sadollah fight.

[cmurdur]

Da Spida :rockin:

[steelba]

Yeah there were some bad stops the card was underwhelming as a whole for me. Fedor isn't missing anything by not being in the UFC I can say that much. Dana wont even setup the good fighters he already has against each other :dsp:

Here is the Silva fight and Penn fight http://www.wisevid.com/view_video.php?viewkey=z1b4fozaxasifng32323#

[Darkgod]

BTW you can erase your sig if u want

[steelba]

BTW you can erase your sig if u want
i'm real hungover today just got around to doing that :mhehe:

[Darkgod]

now we need something new to bet on,

[steelba]

hahaha football season is real soon, and there has to be another UFC hitting PPV again soon, they have a million a year now :straightface:

[Belcebu]

End of this month there will be another UFC I believe on the 29th! It's a bit ridiculous but i guess they wanna cash in while it's still hot.

[Darkgod]

while its still hot? its been hot for over 3 years and has dominated boxing and wwe PPV buys

[steelba]

If they keep putting on weak fights for there PPV's it's gonna cool off.

UFC 100 is the only worthwhile one they've had in a long time imo.

[Darkgod]

yeah that was a true "supercard"

[steelba]

:nod:

[Freddy316]

Looks like Anderson Silva might forfit the middleweight championship and make a permanent move to light heavyweight.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AiEqOntFto8vOgNflq5Iink9Eo14?slug=dw-silva080909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Makes sense. There is really no one to challenge him in the 185 lbs division so he is better off staying at 205. Hell, if he continues to dominate the 205 lbs division the same way he dominated the 185 lbs division I'd love to see him move up to heavyweight and beat the shit out of Lesnar. Anderson walks around at about 220 lbs so a future move to heavyweight would be possible if he wanted.

[Ferox13]

I didn't think Ken Flo did so badly - Penn was always in another league. I wasn't sure of his game Plan though. He should have started the low kicks from round one. Penn conditioning is definally better and I think Florian's corner were counting on Penn gassing for the 4th round.

I was pretty shocked at the Forrest KO - only explanation I think is tha he was already on 'Queer Street'. Its very similar to Seth Petruzelli KO of Kimbo Slice (a jab while moving back).

I was very impressed with that Ozzie Guys ground work in the prelim (the guy who won by kimura).

Buy I defianlly agree that over all - not a great card.

I'm looking forwad to the next one to see Big Nog vs Randy - its a pity this fight didn't take palce a few years back though.

[Belcebu]

while its still hot? its been hot for over 3 years and has dominated boxing and wwe PPV buys

yeah it's been that long, but you cannot truly believe it is going to stay that way forever, a PPV every three weeks is a bit much, no matter how you look at it.

[steelba]

Boxing is not as good so unless this gets as many fixed fights and bad decisions as boxing i'll like it more :stare:

Great news on Silva :beerchug2:

[Darkgod]

yeah it's been that long, but you cannot truly believe it is going to stay that way forever, a PPV every three weeks is a bit much, no matter how you look at it.

I never said it would, but its still hotter then wrestling and boxing

[Belcebu]

I never said it would, but its still hotter then wrestling and boxing

No doubt there, I have never paid to watch "fake wrestling" and I have only paid for 3 boxing PPV's in my life. It is a fun sport to watch, but I must say that in small doses good things become great, every three weeks is a bit too much, I know I cannot afford to buy 18 PPV events a year! That is over $800. even once a month is a bit much. I mean Aug 29th and then Sept. 19th! I love the sport don't get me wrong, but they are pushing them out fast and some are bad.

[Lemmywinks]

Great news about Silva though I feel he will run that division as well.

[Darkgod]

How can he run a division when he already said he doesn't want to fight the champion?

[steelba]

How can he run a division when he already said he doesn't want to fight the champion?
He would beat Machida, Machida wont hold the LHW title for 3 years like Anderson did with his respective division. I'm not convinced Machida will beat Rampage, that doesn't even matter in the scheme of Anderson Silva though.

Anderson Silva only has 3 more Fights left until he retires from the UFC. So if he doesn't fight Lyoto it's not a big deal to me. I want a Silva vs Belfort or Silva vs Rampage way more. Silva is without a doubt better than Lyoto, people aren't afraid to fight Machida and he is good but Anderson is to much for him too.

So with only 3 fights left period who cares, Machida could feasibly lose to Shogun or Rampage then Silva would fight them immediately for the belt. Either way Silva needs to be LHW beating up bigger challengers.

[Freddy316]

Machida vs Anderson is the LHW fight I would want to see most. First of all Machida is undefeated, secondly like Anderson, Machida is all about technique, he picks his shots and hits them with accuracy - he doesn't just brawl. Other then Anderson Silva, Machida is the most technical striker in MMA today which is why a fight between Anderson and Machida would be so interesting, too bad it will never happen.

As for Rampage, Anderson Silva would knock him out inside of two rounds. Rampage is a guy who is not afraid to engage and no one can stand up to Anderson in a straight out slug fest, his speed and precision will pick apart anyone. As for Belfort, I doubt he will get by Rich Franklin let alone Anderson Silva.

The guy who eventually beats Anderson Silva is not going to be a striker, it's going to be someone who has a strong wrestling background and is able to take Anderson down and control him and work effective ground and pound. To be honest, I would say that if Tito Ortiz is truly back to being 100% like he claims - he would be a guy that might give Anderson problems because he is a strong wrestler with great takedowns and ground and pound. Another one would be Randy Couture.

Both Tito Ortiz and Randy Couture are basically bigger stronger versions of Dan Henderson and so far Dan Henderson was the only guy to give Anderson Silva any kind of trouble, and that was because of his wrestling background.

[steelba]

Ortiz got destroyed by Lidell who isn't near the striker of Silva, same for my boy Couture, they would lose badly. Henderson has a better chin then either of them and is better than people give him credit for.

[Freddy316]

Ortiz got destroyed by Lidell who isn't near the striker of Silva, same for my boy Couture, they would lose badly. Henderson has a better chin then either of them and is better than people give him credit for.
Sure if Randy or Tito were stupid enough to engage in a striking match with Anderson they would both be quickly destroyed, but I think they both know better and would go for that take down immediately.

They both got destroyed by Liddell because neither of them are very good strikers and it's really hard to take Liddell down and hold him there. Liddell has excellent takedown defense and when he is taken down he is able to get back up quickly. A lot of people don't know this but the reason Chuck Liddell has such great takedown defense is because he has a solid wrestling background, but he only uses it defensively. Randy and Tito were forced to have to play Liddell's striking game and because neither of them are great strikers they lost.

Anderson Silva on the other hand has no wrestling background and does not have that same level of takedown defense that Liddell has - if Randy or Tito were to shoot in for a take down on Anderson they will have a higher chance of getting it and maintaining it.

Once on the ground both of those guys are significantly bigger and stronger then Anderson and would likely be able to control him on the ground with their wrestling. Of coarse Anderson is a black-belt in BJJ so him going for and getting a submission is always a possibility, but I think he would still be at a pretty big disadvantage on the ground against either of those two.

[Lemmywinks]

An Ortiz/Silva match would be interesting but I don't think Silva would even allow Ortiz to shoot for take downs and he would eat Silvas right jabs. Silva would win and in impressive fashion.

[Ferox13]

An Ortiz/Silva match would be interesting but I don't think Silva would even allow Ortiz to shoot for take downs and he would eat Silvas right jabs. Silva would win and in impressive fashion.


Unfortunally, Tito' can't shoot like he used to.;

[Darkgod]

He would beat Machida, Machida wont hold the LHW title for 3 years like Anderson did with his respective division. I'm not convinced Machida will beat Rampage, that doesn't even matter in the scheme of Anderson Silva though.

Anderson Silva only has 3 more Fights left until he retires from the UFC. So if he doesn't fight Lyoto it's not a big deal to me. I want a Silva vs Belfort or Silva vs Rampage way more. Silva is without a doubt better than Lyoto, people aren't afraid to fight Machida and he is good but Anderson is to much for him too.

So with only 3 fights left period who cares, Machida could feasibly lose to Shogun or Rampage then Silva would fight them immediately for the belt. Either way Silva needs to be LHW beating up bigger challengers.

I wasn't saying he can't beat Machida, I was saying he won't fight him. He is personally close to him, and won't fight him for that reason.

Also, for those who aren't into MMA... your missingt this:

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20090814052503_02carano.JPG

[Darkgod]

Machida vs Anderson is the LHW fight I would want to see most. First of all Machida is undefeated, secondly like Anderson, Machida is all about technique, he picks his shots and hits them with accuracy - he doesn't just brawl. Other then Anderson Silva, Machida is the most technical striker in MMA today which is why a fight between Anderson and Machida would be so interesting, too bad it will never happen.

As for Rampage, Anderson Silva would knock him out inside of two rounds. Rampage is a guy who is not afraid to engage and no one can stand up to Anderson in a straight out slug fest, his speed and precision will pick apart anyone. As for Belfort, I doubt he will get by Rich Franklin let alone Anderson Silva.

The guy who eventually beats Anderson Silva is not going to be a striker, it's going to be someone who has a strong wrestling background and is able to take Anderson down and control him and work effective ground and pound. To be honest, I would say that if Tito Ortiz is truly back to being 100% like he claims - he would be a guy that might give Anderson problems because he is a strong wrestler with great takedowns and ground and pound. Another one would be Randy Couture.

Both Tito Ortiz and Randy Couture are basically bigger stronger versions of Dan Henderson and so far Dan Henderson was the only guy to give Anderson Silva any kind of trouble, and that was because of his wrestling background.

You think ortiz has a shot, but not rampage? Really? Rampage has a chin, and can take Silva's punches, look at how he took Wanderlie's for three fights. He might have lost 2, but he took the asskickings. Rampage has as much of a chance as anyone, cause he can take the punch and not to mention dish it out.

[Aurone]

I heard there's controversy about the Carano/Cyborg match, seems the Ref stopped the match just as the end bell rang. The decision they had was Cyborg won. Also heard Gegard Mousasi fucking killed his opponent last night.

[Darkgod]

Yeah I didn't see it. but I heard there was some controversy... doesn't really matter though cause I heard cyborg was destroying her

[Aurone]

Yeah I didn't see it. but I heard there was some controversy... doesn't really matter though cause I heard cyborg was destroying her

I heard stuff like "Women's MMA is dead cause the face of it lost" and shit. Corano was bound to lose eventually, and you can bet she'll eventully get a rematch. Dosn't help though for women's MMA that Dana White who runs the most well known and succesfull MMA production states that it'll never accomplish anything. I say it disserves a fair shot just as the men's division does.

[Darkgod]

I just watched it, and its not as bad as people make it out to be... it was at the buzzer but she was done. She didn't look as horrible against cyborg as people say either though, as she threw some nice punches.

As for womens MMA, the thing that hurts it is there are 2 good womens mma fighters, and they both fought last night. Gina Carano ran through the others

[Aurone]

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If Dana White really want's nothing to do with any fighters who join EA's MMA game, then he's an idiot. Gerald Mousasi, as shown here, is an animal and could of been a real draw for UFC, but now will be for Strikeforce.

[Darkgod]

wow and babaloo is a decent fighter.... BTW is that chris colonsworth doing commentary or am I hearing shit?

[Freddy316]

You think ortiz has a shot, but not rampage? Really? Rampage has a chin, and can take Silva's punches, look at how he took Wanderlie's for three fights. He might have lost 2, but he took the asskickings. Rampage has as much of a chance as anyone, cause he can take the punch and not to mention dish it out.
Rampage has a shot. He is a powerful striker and there is always the possibility of the one punch KO in MMA. But I would say Ortiz has a better shot only because stylistically it may be a bad match up for Silva. Tito's style of fighting is a style that might give someone like Anderson problems. I doubt Tito would try to stand up and box with Silva, he is a good wrestler that likes to take fights to the ground and pound on you from the top. If Ortiz could get Anderson down he has a good shot, or at least a better shot then anyone who tries to stand with him.

Rampage is mainly a striker, he does have a wrestling background but he never uses it offensively. He will likely want to keep the fight standing and I just don't think anyone can stand up with Anderson Silva. Anderson's striking is on another level beyond anyone in the UFC and anyone that tries to outbox him will get knocked out. His speed and accuracy can't be matched by anyone.

Like I said in one of my other replies, the guy who eventually beats Silva will be a wrestler, someone who is able to take him down and control him on the ground and beat on him from the top. Any striker in the UFC that thinks they can trade punches with Silva will get knocked out.

[Darkgod]

I dunno, theres a difference between going against a Forrest Griffen striker and a Rampage striker... even forest said thats the hardest he has ever been hit.

[steelba]

Rampage is #2 ranked Light heavyweight and hasn't lost in the UFC outside of a bogus Griffen decision, he would kill Ortiz. You think ortiz is still good, hahahahaha. Wait until he loses non stop to whoever decent he faces :lol2:

[Freddy316]

Rampage is #2 ranked Light heavyweight and hasn't lost in the UFC outside of a bogus Griffen decision, he would kill Ortiz.
I'm with you on that, I also think Rampage would beat Ortiz. Just like Chuck, Rampage also has a wrestling background that he usually only uses defensively which makes him hard to take down. An Ortiz fight with Rampage would probably go the same way the Ortiz fights with Chuck have gone, Ortiz would be forced to stand up and strike and would probably get knocked out.

Unlike Chuck and Rampage, Anderson Silva has no wrestling background and his take down defense hasn't really been tested yet by a powerful wrestler which is why I'm saying if he's taken down he might end up in trouble. Ortiz is a strong wrestler with really good ground and pound, he can do a lot of damage even from the guard position.

Every fighter has a weakness, for Anderson Silva I have a feeling that weakness would be shown if he went up against a powerful wrestler like Ortiz and got taken down.

If you remember the Silva/Henderson fight, Dan had the first round of that fight won because he was able to control Silva on the ground with his wrestling. Take a guy like Ortiz who is also a wrestler but is a lot bigger, heavier, and physically stronger then Henderson and it might be a hard night for Silva if he got taken down and Ortiz was on top of him.

[steelba]

I still want that rematch to happen even though Dan will lose. I just really don't think there are many that pose a problem to Anderson Silva, anyone who try's to fight him seriously gets destroyed. In a hypothetical situation where someone actually manages to keep him grounded sure he could lose, but that wont be happening. Atleast not unless a Rampage or Belfort (who I think will destroy Rich) gets a shot.

[Darkgod]

I'm with you on that, I also think Rampage would beat Ortiz. Just like Chuck, Rampage also has a wrestling background that he usually only uses defensively which makes him hard to take down. An Ortiz fight with Rampage would probably go the same way the Ortiz fights with Chuck have gone, Ortiz would be forced to stand up and strike and would probably get knocked out.

Unlike Chuck and Rampage, Anderson Silva has no wrestling background and his take down defense hasn't really been tested yet by a powerful wrestler which is why I'm saying if he's taken down he might end up in trouble. Ortiz is a strong wrestler with really good ground and pound, he can do a lot of damage even from the guard position.

Every fighter has a weakness, for Anderson Silva I have a feeling that weakness would be shown if he went up against a powerful wrestler like Ortiz and got taken down.

If you remember the Silva/Henderson fight, Dan had the first round of that fight won because he was able to control Silva on the ground with his wrestling. Take a guy like Ortiz who is also a wrestler but is a lot bigger, heavier, and physically stronger then Henderson and it might be a hard night for Silva if he got taken down and Ortiz was on top of him.

He might be bigger and stronger, but hes not as a good a wrestler as Hendo.... I really am shocked u think Ortiz had a shot, but not Hendo or Rampage

[steelba]

He might be bigger and stronger, but hes not as a good a wrestler as Hendo.... I really am shocked u think Ortiz had a shot, but not Hendo or Rampage
agreed..

[Freddy316]

He might be bigger and stronger, but hes not as a good a wrestler as Hendo.... I really am shocked u think Ortiz had a shot, but not Hendo or Rampage
When did I say Henderson didn't have a shot against Silva? I keep saying over and over again that a wrestler is going to be the guy who beats Silva. Henderson is a wrestler so he falls under that criteria. I gave Henderson props in my previous reply by saying he was the only guy that gave Silva problems because he was able to control him with his wrestling on the ground during the first round of that fight. Out of all the guys in the middleweight division Henderson has the best shot at beating Silva and I would love to see a rematch between the two.

As for Henderson being a better wrestler then Ortiz, I agree. But in wrestling weight and strength are huge advantages to have. That's why they have weight classes. Henderson may be a better wrestler then Ortiz skill-wise, but if Henderson was ever in a straight up wrestling match with Ortiz, Ortiz would have the edge because he's got a fairly significant size/strength advantage.

Take Brock Lesnar as an example, he isn't a very good wrestler compared to a guy like Henderson, but he would beat any wrestler in the UFC no matter how skilled they are in a straight up wrestling match because of his size. I know that's an extreme example but it shows how important size and strength are in wrestling. Again that's why they have weight classes so guys don't have that kind of advantage.

[Ferox13]

What happened to rampage's wrestling? He used to use it offensively alot - he was famous for his huge slams - now all he seems to do it Slug it out.

[Darkgod]

When did I say Henderson didn't have a shot against Silva? I keep saying over and over again that a wrestler is going to be the guy who beats Silva. Henderson is a wrestler so he falls under that criteria. I gave Henderson props in my previous reply by saying he was the only guy that gave Silva problems because he was able to control him with his wrestling on the ground during the first round of that fight. Out of all the guys in the middleweight division Henderson has the best shot at beating Silva and I would love to see a rematch between the two.

As for Henderson being a better wrestler then Ortiz, I agree. But in wrestling weight and strength are huge advantages to have. That's why they have weight classes. Henderson may be a better wrestler then Ortiz skill-wise, but if Henderson was ever in a straight up wrestling match with Ortiz, Ortiz would have the edge because he's got a fairly significant size/strength advantage.

Take Brock Lesnar as an example, he isn't a very good wrestler compared to a guy like Henderson, but he would beat any wrestler in the UFC no matter how skilled they are in a straight up wrestling match because of his size. I know that's an extreme example but it shows how important size and strength are in wrestling. Again that's why they have weight classes so guys don't have that kind of advantage.

Brock has skill... I think your putting to much into the size, strength category. Like u said, there are weight classes, if you ever watch Brocks college matches, he was facing guys the same size.

[steelba]

What happened to rampage's wrestling? He used to use it offensively alot - he was famous for his huge slams - now all he seems to do it Slug it out.
He's only needed to use it a few times in the UFC, you get paid more to be a striker, so that's what he does.

[Ferox13]

He's only needed to use it a few times in the UFC, you get paid more to be a striker, so that's what he does.

You really think so? I do agree that Dana awards fighters for exciting fights but his slams back in the day were jawdroppers. Despite his record in the UFC I think Rampage is a shell of his former pride self..

You think he only 'needed' to use his wrestling - look at his old fights and you can tell he looked to slam all the time..

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOwYbMbm-s

First time I've seen Jackson fight was back in an early King of the Cage against marvin Eastman - he lost but i still remember him for being an animal. I think a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then.....I think the Silva fights took a lot out of him.

[steelba]

Rampage is as good as ever, his lack of slams is probably because people are hip to it now and don't engage him the same. He is as good as he ever was and wouldn't have won the UFC LHW title when he was younger in Pride. He seems to have stopped using the juice though as he doesn't look as roided. Evans and Machida seem to be dipping into the sauce more lately though.

[Ferox13]

Rampage is as good as ever, .

You think the Rampage that beat Arona/Chuck is the same one that fought Forest?

[Freddy316]

You think the Rampage that beat Arona/Chuck is the same one that fought Forest?
I would say so. Unless he has an identical twin that we don't know about. :straightface2:

[3/6]

did those 2 bicthes fight yet?

[Darkgod]

Yeah... on saturday. A one round match

[Lemmywinks]

Rampage would knock Tito out. Wouldn't mind seeing a Machida vs. Silva fight sometime in the future.

[steelba]

I would say so. Unless he has an identical twin that we don't know about. :straightface2:
agreed, what a n00b :no:

[Ferox13]

agreed, what a n00b :no:

What I'm a noob for suggesting that Rampages fighting style is alot different than it was in his Pride days...

[Freddy316]

Looks like Shane Carwin will be fighting Brock Lesnar at UFC 106 for the title. Carwin was originally set to fight Cain Velasquez at UFC 104 to determine the next challenger for the title but apparently the UFC canceled that fight in favor of setting up a title match between Carwin and Lesnar at UFC 106.

This is good news. Out of all the guys in the UFC's heavyweight division, Carwin is the biggest threat to Lesnar. He's just as big, he's undefeated, he has huge knockout power, and like Lesnar he also has an impressive college wrestling background. Should be a good fight, hopefully Lesnar will get knocked out. :boxing:

http://www.mmamadness.com/2009/08/shane-carwin-gets-title-shot-verses-brock-lesnar-at-ufc-106/

[steelba]

more great news, Carwin :rocker:

[Darkgod]

man Brock haters everywhere... sorry fred but he doesnt have the same impressive college wrestling as brock. He wasn't a national champion. Also Carwin does have a week chin, he was knocked down by Gonzaga and Brock hits a lot harder then gonzage.

[Darkgod]

Though it will be a great fight. and i do wanna see it

[Freddy316]

Granted I don't know much about college wrestling, but according to wikipedia Shane Carwin was a NCAA II Wrestling Heavyweight National Champion in 1999 and a is a two-time NCAA Division II Wrestling National Runner-Up Heavyweight in 1996-1997. I'd say that's pretty impressive. Perhaps Brock is still a better wrestler, but Carwin being nearly the same size and at least having some kind of a background in wrestling will mean it will be harder for Brock to do what he usually does to win fights. He won't be able to take down Carwin as easily as he was able to take down Mir. And if the fight does go to the ground I doubt Brock will be able to control Carwin with his wrestling as easily as he was able to control Mir. Will be an interesting fight.

As for Carwin being stunned by Gonzaga? So what? Lesnar got stunned by Mir for a second, and Carwin hits a lot harder then Mir. Besides, even if Carwin does have a weaker chin then Lesnar, I would still say that of the two, Carwin is the better striker and is more likely to land the good shots.

[steelba]

RIP Brock :smokin2:

This isn't wrestling the last time I checked and Carwin has more than 3 times as many wins as Brock and fewer losses :starefreak:

[Ferox13]

RIP Brock :smokin2:

This isn't wrestling the last time I checked and Carwin has more than 3 times as many wins as Brock and fewer losses :starefreak:

Yeah but the point is that Carwins strength is wrestling - its his base that helps him win fights. Same as Brock but Brock is a better wrestler. And as far as Carwin's winning streak Gonzaga is really the only notable one on it where as despite only 5 fights Brock has beaten Mir (who beat Big Nog), Randy and Herring.

I don't see Carwin winning this.


What are people's predictions for this saturday?

I wish this Randy/Nog fight happened a few years back.. I would definally see Nog destroying Randy. I Still think he will win (maybe wishful thinking) - no way will Randy sub him but he might take him to a lay and pray - stand and stall decision. I love to see Randy armbarred though.

[Freddy316]

If Nog fights the way he did against Mir, Randy will win it no question about it. Randy is old but he always brings it. If Nog gets himself back together and the old Nog shows up I see the fight ending up on the ground and Nog probably winning by submission.

[Ferox13]

If Nog fights the way he did against Mir, Randy will win it no question about it. Randy is old but he always brings it. If Nog gets himself back together and the old Nog shows up I see the fight ending up on the ground and Nog probably winning by submission.

I hope so Mir beating Nog was one of the saddest moments in MMA for me - Nog also got away lucky in his UFC versus Herring, it really looked like the ref protected him a bit. Compare that to his first fight vs Herring - though it went the detance he did destroy him. I'd love to see him sub Randy.

[Darkgod]

Granted I don't know much about college wrestling, but according to wikipedia Shane Carwin was a NCAA II Wrestling Heavyweight National Champion in 1999 and a is a two-time NCAA Division II Wrestling National Runner-Up Heavyweight in 1996-1997. I'd say that's pretty impressive. Perhaps Brock is still a better wrestler, but Carwin being nearly the same size and at least having some kind of a background in wrestling will mean it will be harder for Brock to do what he usually does to win fights. He won't be able to take down Carwin as easily as he was able to take down Mir. And if the fight does go to the ground I doubt Brock will be able to control Carwin with his wrestling as easily as he was able to control Mir. Will be an interesting fight.

As for Carwin being stunned by Gonzaga? So what? Lesnar got stunned by Mir for a second, and Carwin hits a lot harder then Mir. Besides, even if Carwin does have a weaker chin then Lesnar, I would still say that of the two, Carwin is the better striker and is more likely to land the good shots.

Brock manhandled the number 2 ground guy in the heavyweight division, a black belt in bjj. Theres no reason a division two wrestler will be able to fight him off.

[Freddy316]

Brock manhandled the number 2 ground guy in the heavyweight division, a black belt in bjj. Theres no reason a division two wrestler will be able to fight him off.
"Ground guy" is to vague of a term. Mir is good on the ground as far as BJJ and submissions go, but Mir has no wrestling background. From what I've heard and seen about wrestling and BJJ, a strong wrestler will usually be able to nullify the BJJ of a smaller guy. We have yet to see how Brock will do against another wrestler that's nearly the same size as he is. Besides, the fight might not even end up on the ground. There's a good chance they may both want to keep the fight standing and considering how much power both guys have, one of them may connect with a good shot that puts the other guy out early.

[steelba]

Couture over Nogeria, and Jarrdine to get destroyed :smokin2:

F' Brock Bitchner :stare:

[Freddy316]

I agree about Jardine. I don't know if he'll get destroyed, but I think Thiago Silva will get the win. Then again it's been 8 months since Silva's last fight and over a year since his last win. He might have octagon rust.

[steelba]

I agree about Jardine. I don't know if he'll get destroyed, but I think Thiago Silva will get the win. Then again it's been 8 months since Silva's last fight and over a year since his last win. He might have octagon rust.
While I hear you and agree with you, I think he will be fine against Jardine. Rust is a real possibility but I think he'll come back and put on a show, starring the destruction of Keith Jardine :smokin:

[Aurone]

My sister and her B/F JR are regulers at a Tatoo shop called Forbidden Body Art in Portland and since it's promoting UFC 102, they got passes to the VIP FUCKING lounge for after the fight.

Jerks. :shakefist:

[steelba]

I was right again, u mofoz need to quit doubting me :smokin2:

Jardine got demolished fast.

[Freddy316]

The Maia/Marquardt fight finished faster then I thought it would. lol. Maia is a pretty small guy for the middleweight division, I think he could easily make welterweight if he wanted to.

As for Jardine/Silva, I figured Silva would get the win but I didn't think it would be that fast, guess he doesn't have any rust. It will be interesting to see who they match up Thaigo Silva with next... maybe Anderson Silva. :nod:

Couture/Nog was a good fight, although Nog clearly won Randy just kept bringing it and landed a lot of good shots of his own. I have a lot of respect for both guys.

[Sutter Kane]

Great fight for Nog and Randy. I knew it must have been a psychological turning point when Nog managed to sweep Randy in the second round, I never seen anybody do that. :stare:

[Aurone]

Word is that Anderson Silva's managment wants Thaigo Silva to face Henderson to see who gets a shot at him, as opposed to the rumored Silva/Henderson title fight in the works.

Hendo's said that he only wants to face Silva at this weight (185) or he'd rather go up to 205.

Edit: My mistake,t hey want him to face Nate Marquardt and see who wins to faceh him.

[steelba]

F Anderson Silva and his :bs:

[Aurone]

I think Henderson earned his shot when he killed Bisping back at 100. Let Nate face the winner of Silva/Hendo.

Also, what do you guys think that Duffee guy seting a UFC record for KO?

[LgOr]

wohahaha Jardine always getting knocked out while on his back just ask Wanderlei wohahahaha

[Darkgod]

I think Henderson earned his shot when he killed Bisping back at 100. Let Nate face the winner of Silva/Hendo.

Also, what do you guys think that Duffee guy seting a UFC record for KO?

he looked pretty good, esp. since the dude he knocked out is supposed to have a good chin

[Darkgod]

I was right again, u mofoz need to quit doubting me :smokin2:

Jardine got demolished fast.

u were 50/50... Nog won, and I wish I knew u would pick couture cause I would have bet you

[Sutter Kane]

F Anderson Silva and his :bs:

I dunno he made Forrest Griffin look like he had no business being in the same ring with him.

[steelba]

I dunno he made Forrest Griffin look like he had no business being in the same ring with him.
I agree and was "THE' only one here who predicted that when the match was announced. Forrest still hasn't said anything to anyone after running away like a lil bitch after the fight.

Silva is just full of it, make him fight Belfort if he beats Franklin, or have him fight Dan again.

[Sutter Kane]

The Ultimate fighter cast would get their asses handed to them by Belfort But I doubt he would beat Silva.

Silva beat Hendo and Belfort can't handle those leg kicks. He couldn't sub Silva and he would get chopped down in 3 rounds just throwing punches also Silva would own in the clinch.

Not a lot of options though at 185

[Aurone]

I shit you not, a former Power Ranger wants to do MMA. And not any Power Ranger....the Green/White ranger that had the pimpin mecha's.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Mighty-Morphin-Power-Ranger-morphs-into-an-MMA-f?urn=mma,186758

[steelba]

The Ultimate fighter cast would get their asses handed to them by Belfort But I doubt he would beat Silva.

Silva beat Hendo and Belfort can't handle those leg kicks. He couldn't sub Silva and he would get chopped down in 3 rounds just throwing punches also Silva would own in the clinch.

Not a lot of options though at 185
That would be awesome if that's how it went, I like good action packed fights. Seeing Anderson plow through inferior sucka's inside of a few minutes is getting old :straightface:

[Lemmywinks]

I'll say it again White claims to want the best fighting the best so put Silva in there against Machida. I missed the last ppv but had no doubt Jardine would get destroyed.Serious downtime in the UFC lately.

[Darkgod]

I'll say it again White claims to want the best fighting the best so put Silva in there against Machida. I missed the last ppv but had no doubt Jardine would get destroyed.Serious downtime in the UFC lately.

as great as thiago looked, he shouldnt be facing machida yet. he beat a horrible jardine, but lost the one before that. guys like rampage and rashad should be facing him before being on TUF

[steelba]

think he meant Anderson Silva vs Machida, in which case i'd take Anderson Silva :smokin2:

[Lemmywinks]

I mean Anderson Silva. It would be a big money fight and Silva would truly be tested and I feel could lose. If a douche bag like Brock Lesnar could get such a quick title shot why not Anderson Silva who is interested in the division and proved he belongs there.

[Darkgod]

Oh saw him mention the last ppv and jardine. I would like that, but once again... who did silva beat in the 205... a scrub and then forrest? let him knock out rashad, rampage or put him vs thiago and let the the winner go on to face machida... btw silva vs machida would be so aweosme... the pure striker vs the best defense in mma

[Darkgod]

I mean Anderson Silva. It would be a big money fight and Silva would truly be tested and I feel could lose. If a douche bag like Brock Lesnar could get such a quick title shot why not Anderson Silva who is interested in the division and proved he belongs there.

hows he interested, he plans on leaving after his contract is up and boxing and had said he doesn't want to compete for the lhw titile

[Lemmywinks]

hows he interested, he plans on leaving after his contract is up and boxing and had said he doesn't want to compete for the lhw titile

No shit. I was going on past info so this is news to me.

[Aurone]

Anderson Silva needs surgery and will be out of November's fight.


According to Dave Meltzer, UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva has informed the UFC that he will be having elbow surgery very soon. There is no estimate on how long he will be out, but this now rules him out of fighting in November. Silva was rumored for the main event of UFC 015, which will take place in Manchester, England on November 14th.


http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/115395/Anderson-Silva-to-Undergo-Elbow-Surgery.htm

So much for Hendo's title shot.

[steelba]

F Silva

[Aurone]

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson will not be facing Evans at UFC 107. Reason?


According to the Vancouver Sun, Quinton Rampage Jackson is currently in Vancouver to star as BA Baracus in an upcoming movie version of The A-Team. The paper also claims that Jackson has been taken off of the UFC 107 card, and that is why the Penn vs. Sanchez Lightweight Title fight has been moved to that event. Fiveouncesofpain.com is also reporting that Jackson has apparently asked the UFC to move the fight back to early-2010, so that he can get a full training camp in.


When asked about it a month or 2 back, Dana White had this to say about Jackson and other active MMA stars doing films:


"I hate it with a [expletive] passion. 'You're a fighter; you're not a movie star.' It's so [expletive] funny because fighters want to be movie stars, and movie stars want to act like they're fighters. 'Get a [expletive] grip. You're a fighter, and you're a [expletive] movie star. Alright?' Guess what Rashad Evans is thinking about right now? 'He's thinking about beating your [expletive] ass. He's not sitting around thinking about how him and his mom used to watch the [expletive] 'Love Boat' together and (how) he wants to get the role of Isaac the bartender. 'Get a [expletive] grip, dude. You're going to make a lot of money. You ain't going to make a lot of money playing B.A. Baracus on 'The A-Team.' Jesus Christ. This [expletive] drives me [expletive] nuts.' So yeah, I'm not a big fan of fighters doing movies. When your career is over, if you turn into a movie star, that's awesome."


http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/115439/Quinton-Jackson-Possibly-Out-Of-UFC-107-Fight-With-Rashad-Evans.htm

[steelba]

Fuck that was the only fight I was looking forward to in the UFC. Now there is only Brock vs Carwin left to entertain me, everything else is a waste.

I'd like to see Vitor Belfort smash Rich Franklin then take on Anderson Silva though :smokin2:

[Freddy316]

Penn vs. Sanchez is going to be sick. I can't wait for that one.

[steelba]

Penn will win :straightface:

[Sutter Kane]

Fuck Diego Sanchez I Never liked that Karate kid reject. :straightface2:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Dana is a douche.

[Freddy316]

Fuck Diego Sanchez I Never liked that Karate kid reject. :straightface2:
I don't like Diego either, but there is no denying that the guy is a great fighter especially at 155. Out of all the guys at 155, Diego is definitely the biggest threat to Penn and I have a feeling that is going to be an exciting fight.

[steelba]

If Penn shows up in shape it wont even be close.

[Freddy316]

Remember, it only took Diego one round to finish Florian when they fought - it took Penn four rounds. :D

I know that doesn't really mean anything right now since the Diego/Florian fight was a long time ago, but I'm just saying. :cooldude:

[steelba]

It was painfully obvious that Penn was dragging the Florian fight out to punish him. He could have ended it early but he wanted to put the beatdown on him, sweet fight but went exactly how I predicted.

I remember all you n00bz getting upset when I called it in early, saying how Florian had a solid chance, and was real good :lol2:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Not Me :confident: BJ PENN :rocker:

[steelba]

GSP :confident:

[Freddy316]

I remember all you n00bz getting upset when I called it in early, saying how Florian had a solid chance, and was real good :lol2:
Florian is a good fighter. I would put him at #3 or 4 in the 155 lbs division as would most other people. Also, to be fair, I never said Florian would beat Penn, I just said that he had a chance and it would be a good fight and if Florian actually came to fight I still think it would have been, but he kept backing off and never tried to engage with Penn. It's obvious that Florian feared Penn and that's part of what cost him the fight. I doubt Diego will have that same problem, he always comes to fight and never seems to fear anyone. Plus, Diego is a better fighter then Florian.


GSP :confident:
Penn still wants another fight with GSP. He can't seem to accept the fact that he will never be able to beat him. :shakehead

[Aurone]

Nog wants to face Frank Mir if he can't get a Lesnar shot.


Nogueira recently spoke with MMA Weekly stating that he would like to have a rematch with Frank Mir after hearing Mir's comments about him following UFC 102.

"If I was making excuses, I would have been making excuses right after the fight. I'm not making excuses, I'm giving you a reason." Noguiera continued, "If Mir feels it's an excuse, then lets get in the Octagon and see whether it's an excuse or a reason in December and settle it, I'd love to fight Frank Mir at UFC 107."

Mir however is expected to face Kongo at UFC 107 on December 12 in Memphis Tennessee, although it is not confirmed and that may change given the fact that the main even of Rashad Evans vs. Rampage Jackson may be off so Jackson can be in the A-Team movie.

[Sutter Kane]

Penn would dominate Sanchez. I don't deny Diego has skills especially when its on the ground but he is no match for Penn who is a two time BJJ World Champion. It just won't happen unless Diego's trainer throws salt into Penn's eye's while Mr. Fuji distracts the ref.

[steelba]

agreed.

Mir is getting called out by everyone these days :lol:
First Anderson Silva wants to kick his ass, now Nogeria wants to break him off. Mir Nogeria would be awesome :rocker:

[Sutter Kane]

Mir is finished. Never been the same since his accident. Glad to see Nog fighting in UFC though and I would def watch that match. Like to see little Nog compete at 185 if he can make the weight against Silva or have Silva step up.

[Sutter Kane]

For that matter Big Nog would make all those Lesnar nut-huggers STFU real quick.

[Freddy316]

We won't have to wait for Nog. Shane Carwin is going to make the Lesnar nuthuggers STFU at UFC 106. :D

[steelba]

We won't have to wait for Nog. Shane Carwin is going to make the Lesnar nuthuggers STFU at UFC 106. :D
oh yeahz :rocker:

[Lemmywinks]

Nog or Carwin i'm just looking forward to Lesnar losing to see him cry like the bitch that he is. Hope he understands this isn't the WWE so he can't steal the belt hit his opponent over the head with it and run backstage after he loses.

[steelba]

Brock :finger3:

[Sutter Kane]

To be fair to Brock, he is an exciting fight cuz you know somebody is probably getting KTFOed or Brock is getting subbed. It won't end in a boring decision, With some good take-down defense he could be better than most peoplegive him credit for.

I still can't stand his over-the-top attitude. Can't tell if he is being serious or not. If he is just fucking with the audience like WWE then its kinda funny.

The fight I'm looking forward to is the Shogun/Machida fight. I'm rooting for Rua but I have to say I think Machida will win in the 3rd round TKO.

[steelba]

wont even be close Machida in the 1st or 2nd at the latest.

[Darkgod]

For that matter Big Nog would make all those Lesnar nut-huggers STFU real quick.


We won't have to wait for Nog. Shane Carwin is going to make the Lesnar nuthuggers STFU at UFC 106. :D


Nog or Carwin i'm just looking forward to Lesnar losing to see him cry like the bitch that he is. Hope he understands this isn't the WWE so he can't steal the belt hit his opponent over the head with it and run backstage after he loses.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... just like Couture was supposed to shut those nuthuggers up, and the same with Mir (Brock has no shot vs Mir, he proves it by beating him once before lol) Give me a break, the real nut huggers are you guys who are sick and tired of this guy already because he is good. Do I think Carwin has a shot... yes, do I think Nog has a shot... if he fights like he did vs couture I think he will beat Brock. But don't discredit Brock. He made Randy look weak, he dominated the number 2 ground heavyweight in Mir on the ground. He has immense skill as a wrestler, its not just based on his strenth but that does help. His power is probally less then Carwins, but it isn't like he don't hit hard.

[steelba]

u iz beetch :starefreak:

[Darkgod]

:shakehead

[steelba]

:shakehead
defending Brock :nono:

[Sutter Kane]

It seems like Lesnar stumbled ass-backwards into the UFC Heavyweight belt.

Beating Mir and Couture doesn't mean as much as it did 5-10 years ago for obvious reasons. Heath Herring is a chump and yet Brock is the champ so that takes away from his prestige. That said, I know if I watch a Lesnar fight it will be exciting so I got no prob with him in the octagon.

but seriously someone needs to put that big meathead in his place, its getting ridiculous.

[Lemmywinks]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... just like Couture was supposed to shut those nuthuggers up, and the same with Mir (Brock has no shot vs Mir, he proves it by beating him once before lol) Give me a break, the real nut huggers are you guys who are sick and tired of this guy already because he is good. Do I think Carwin has a shot... yes, do I think Nog has a shot... if he fights like he did vs couture I think he will beat Brock. But don't discredit Brock. He made Randy look weak, he dominated the number 2 ground heavyweight in Mir on the ground. He has immense skill as a wrestler, its not just based on his strenth but that does help. His power is probally less then Carwins, but it isn't like he don't hit hard.

Herring is a chump,Mir is a tad past his prime and i'll say it Courture is old. Plus Lesnars piss poor attitude doesn't help. Not having any respect for the sport,fans and other fighters doesn't sit well with me. Lesnar does have talent never said he didn't its how he acts is what makes him a tool.

[Darkgod]

You just mentioned that Nog or carwin culd beat Lesnar, but the only reason Nog is even in the discussion is because of the fight with Randy. A fight that went the distance, even though Brock destroyed him. Greanted when he faced Mir, Nog was sick, but not even he could have made Mir look like a white belt on the ground.

And as far as respect. Brock is the type of guy who respects those who respect him. Mir talked so much shit that Brock not only didn't respect him, he hated him. And Herring talked shit about him being a pro wrestler. But the one guy, Randy, who came in and said I wan't to fight and I respect Brock, was treated with class and respect. Look at Brock calling out to him and rooting for him in the Randy/Nog fight. If this was Nog or Randywho called out guys and talked shit, it would be accepted. But since its Brock and " he hasn't proved anything" its not accepted.

Just out of curiousity, if Lesnar does defeat Carwin.... what will you haters say then?

[Lemmywinks]

Then I will say go Nog!!!! If Lesnar wins that i'll hope Fedor pulls his head out of his ass as well as his managers,signs with the UFC and see the fight I want to see in the first place. If Carwin wins what are you going to have to say?

[Darkgod]

Ill say he won... I never hated on carwin as you and a few others hate on Brock. I just think Brock gets this shit against him like hes garbage, like another Tank Abbot, or Kimbo Slice. He got put into the heavyweight scene too early people say, yet don't mention how Randy fought for the title after his 3rd match, or how Nog won it on his second match in UFC.

People just like to hate on Brock like he has "No" skill. The guy is a talented wrestler and awesome striker. He had the same ammount of UFC matches as Nog did for his title shot.

[Darkgod]

Was looking at future cards and saw this little match for 105....

Welterweight bout: Flag of the United Kingdom James Wilks vs. Flag of the United States Matt Brown

Wilks was the TUF winner this year, and Matt Brown was in the year that Ahmir Sadalloh won. I really dug Brown and thought he was great. Wilks shocked me, cause I thought he was far inferrior to Demarcus Johnson (who is also fighting on the card)

[Darkgod]

106 looks awesome too...

Brock/Carwin
Coleman/Ortiz
Ahmir Sadalloh fighting
Kara Parysian fighting
John Fitch fighting
K flo vs a joke in phil baroni

I was gonna buy it for Brock Carwin, but those other fights are just icing....

[Freddy316]

Yeah, UFC 106 is going to be a good one. Like them or hate them, having Lesnar and Ortiz on the same card is going to mean a lot of PPV buys since both of them are such huge draws. I expect UFC 106 to generate some huge numbers.

[Sutter Kane]

Didn't now Phil Baroni was still fighting. He had some good hand speed.

[Darkgod]

Didn't now Phil Baroni was still fighting. He had some good hand speed.

yea he does, but unfortunitly that don't correspond to wins... hes only 13-11

[steelba]

fool iz a roid head with no chin.

[Lemmywinks]

Interested to see how Ortiz performs after over a year layoff and banging Jenna Jameson.

[steelba]

Interested to see how Ortiz performs after over a year layoff and banging Jenna Jameson.
F'n big pussy beetch :dsp:

Foolz gonna get smacked, he's washed up.

[3/6]

Ortiz is a fuckin joke

[steelba]

agreed. Let him Fight Anderson Silva :smokin2:

[Lemmywinks]

Be that as it may i'm just interested in the fight. He can get his nuts kicked in to outer space for all that I care.

[Darkgod]

Thats actually gonna be a good fight I think... coleman looked good vs bonnar so it should be interesting

[steelba]

Coleman iz so old :elder:

[Darkgod]

hes old but he made that bitch bonnar look like a fool

[Freddy316]

Coleman vs. Couture would be interesting. Battle of the old guys who can still bring it.

[Darkgod]

if coleman gets past ortiz, that might be in the future

[Lemmywinks]

Hoping to see Cro Cop go back to his old ways he rarely threw kicks when he faught Kongo.

[Darkgod]

yeah just illegal thumbs

[steelba]

yeah just illegal thumbs
hahahahaha :mhehe:

[Ferox13]

F'n big pussy beetch :dsp:


I don't understand the hate for Ortiz - I was never a big fan - but he did put the UFC on the map for a lot of people and dominated the Light Heavy Division for a long time. If you can remember back to the time of Tito vs the Lions den - those fights and the crap surrounding them was priceless (or were you not watching MMA 10 years ago).

Unfortunally you are right about Tito being 'washed up' in many ways - his knees are destroyed taking away his shoot so its so hard for him to take the fight to where he wants it..

[BigFatOgre]

Tito was great in his prime.

[steelba]

I don't understand the hate for Ortiz - I was never a big fan - but he did put the UFC on the map for a lot of people and dominated the Light Heavy Division for a long time. If you can remember back to the time of Tito vs the Lions den - those fights and the crap surrounding them was priceless (or were you not watching MMA 10 years ago).

Unfortunally you are right about Tito being 'washed up' in many ways - his knees are destroyed taking away his shoot so its so hard for him to take the fight to where he wants it..
I was watching the UFC when they first started and were only on VHS fool :finger3:

[Ferox13]

I was watching the UFC when they first started and were only on VHS fool :finger3:

Then I don't understand your disrespect for a pioneer of the sport but i guess that kinda of response says alot. Tito was one of the greats of the sport - he a great showman and reinvented GnP after the modified rules came in. As I remember too, he fought Guy Metzger for free so he wouldn't give up his amateur status as a wrestler - it was a great fight and a controvertial loss.

I don't know why you can call this guy a bitch - but then again you called me a fool for just stating my opinion.

[Darkgod]

You obviously haven't been here long and don't get Steelba yet. I can honestly say I don't get much shit from him, but I have been called a Bizeetch and a fool.

[steelba]

da n00b isn't up on da E-slang.

I've never been a Ortiz fan, the tru pioneers are Royce Gracie, Dan Severn, Don "The Predator" Frye, and others. Ortiz arrived later in the game.

[Darkgod]

That is some truth

[BigFatOgre]

The Gracies :rockin:

[Ferox13]

The Gracies :rockin:

I'm looking forward to see what Roger can do with his MMA career (if he choses to continue it)

[Lemmywinks]

Courture is headlining UFC 105 and returning to light heavyweight. :hmmm:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Tomorrow is the Free PPV on spike and also the debut of The Ultimate Fighter Season 10. I'll be checkin' both of these out. And if you didn't know Kimbo gonna be in TUF.

EDIT: Was lookin' at some of this TUF and it says the finale is on Dec. 5th and Kimbo is gonna headline that... :hmmm: so not sure if he already won it or they just gonna put him on the card anyways to get more ppl to watch. I really wanna see him get his ass whooped!

[LgOr]

Looks like its gonna be Lesnar vs Carwin next and finally Brown vs Aldo in the WEC. some good matches coming up

[cmurdur]

I heard some guy today talk about how the Seth/Kimbo fight was stopped way too early, that he about kicked a hole through his TV when it happened, and almost got into a fight over whether or not Kimbo sucked. He claims to be a big MMA fan. :die:

[Ferox13]

Tomorrow is the Free PPV on spike and also the debut of The Ultimate Fighter Season 10. I'll be checkin' both of these out. And if you didn't know Kimbo gonna be in TUF.

EDIT: Was lookin' at some of this TUF and it says the finale is on Dec. 5th and Kimbo is gonna headline that... :hmmm: so not sure if he already won it or they just gonna put him on the card anyways to get more ppl to watch. I really wanna see him get his ass whooped!

I'd like to see how Kimbo and Sims interacr. Sims is a complete nutter.

On another note Monson loses again to a very washed up Rizzo. It looked like Monson failed to dictate the fight at all.

[Ferox13]

Pretty fun Ultimate Fight night - the only fight i was kinda disaapointed in was Grays - i thought hes take it to Huerta a bit more. Great win for Diaz too - gotta love the Diaz bros. Good showing for Guillard though, he had some sweet throws.

[Lemmywinks]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/White-not-speaking-with-Rampage-for-taking-Mr-;_ylt=Aq9xiY7QSbO.QrRok0pIsps9Eo14?urn=mma,189818

Rampage excepts movie role so no fight at TUF finale against Evans. Dana White is not happy.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yeah I already knew 'bout that haha. Freakin' Rampage.

[Aurone]

I can see where both sides are coming from with this.

Dana has every right to be pissed. They plan these things and spend money to make them happen ahead of time, unless an injury or some other unforseen circumstance, you make it to the fight. He could of tried to negotiate with the producers or something, but I doubt they'd delay anything just for a fight.

On the other side, while UFC is at the top of the MMA world and Rampage is very well known, I bet you that he'll make twice as much cash doing this film then he would doing a fight. I don't think there's anything wrong with making a prophet, and if Quiton can do that, great.

While he's fuming over this and will do some rants, I doubt Dana will completly cut off Rampage, cause Strikeforce or some other company will just be throwing god knows how many numbers at him to join them and he's already a star in the sport, let alone if the film elevates him which will only mean cash for them.

[Ferox13]

I don't think there's anything wrong with making a prophet, and if Quiton can do that, great.



As a born again Christian, Ramapage is all about the 'prophets'. :-)

Its a pity I'd like to see him fight Rashad.

I hope Sims gets some decent camera time this season.

[Darkgod]

that first fight was horrendous, Rampage, as much as I love him, drafted horrible.

[Aurone]

Some are questioning why the ref let the fight continue, saying that an injury that bad (you could see his fucking skull) should of stopped it.

[Darkgod]

yeah it should have been stopped, they think he fractured part of his skull

[Aurone]

Isn't there a site you guys use to watch the UFC events live as they happen?

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yup. For PPV's I use Sopcast. Comes in clear no buffering. It's the best I've seen so far.

[Darkgod]

i dl it... but dont see the fights

[Darkgod]

i dl it... but dont see the fights

[steelba]

so far itz good, Vitor and Dos Santos need to win :rockin:

even though i'd rather Cro Cop :stare:

[Darkgod]

cro cop :headbrick:

[steelba]

nailed both this time :smokin:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Sorry Dark, I should have explain it better.

[Freddy316]

CroCop :dsp:. Hopefully he won't come back for another fight, the guy just doesn't have it anymore.

Good win for Vitor, but I rather see him win at least one more fight before he gets a shot at Anderson. He lost to Dan Henderson in Pride a few years ago, so I think a rematch between the two would be interesting. While those two are fighting to determine who gets the next shot at Anderson's MW title, Anderson can have another fight at LHW.

[steelba]

NO!

Vitor vs Silva right now dammit :cussing:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Tired of Silva havin' that belt! :mad:

[Aurone]

Dana White wants Belfort to face Silva for the belt and Henderson face Marquardt for the #1 Contendership.

http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/116751/Dana-White-Says-Vitor-Belfort-Is-Ready-To-Fight-Anderson-Silva.htm

[Freddy316]

It's kind of unfair to both Henderson and Marquardt for the UFC to give Belfort the next title shot after only winning one fight, but I guess the UFC wants to cash in on the Belfort/Silva fight and not risk Belfort losing his next fight and thus not getting the title shot. I feel bad for Henderson, I know he really wants that rematch with Silva.

As for the Belfort/Silva fight, Belfort obviously looked great against Franklin but I still don't think he will be any match for Silva.

[Darkgod]

nah he wont be, franklin is a chump... im sorry... it should be vitor vs hendo with winner facing Silva

[steelba]

pffft let Hendo fight the winner of Vitor/Silva. I'm a Hendo fan but he already lost to Silva and in all reality, he wont win in a rematch. Let me see an elite badass who hasn't faced Silva get a shot, then i'll know if Anderson Silva is truly the #1 guy. Henderson isn't the #2 pfp fighter int he UFC, but you want him to go against the #1?? GSP admitted he can't hang with A.Silva, so he's removed from the pfp convo.

Just get me this fight, and the Brock/Carwin fight :metalbang:

Bitch away mofoz :starefreak:

[Darkgod]

and vitor was on steroids and still lost to hendo... so why should he jump ahead.... and P4P... he isn't in the top ten... usually I think your pretty logical when it comes to mma... but now your just talking out your ass

[Aurone]

They also said that Rampage will most likely face Evans in March, and that Dana and Jackson are talking somewhat, but Dana's still not happy.

[steelba]

and vitor was on steroids and still lost to hendo... so why should he jump ahead.... and P4P... he isn't in the top ten... usually I think your pretty logical when it comes to mma... but now your just talking out your ass
No! you're the ass :starefreak:

[Darkgod]

:shakehead

[Ferox13]

Crop Cop seems to go to pieces when he can't dictate the pace of the fight - if he is being pushed back he can't seem to handle it. It happen against kongo and (to a lesser degree) vs Hunt (though Hunt's cement head helped a lot).

[steelba]

CroCop iz washed up that's all :straightface:

[Ferox13]

CroCop iz washed up that's all :straightface:

Well he was never a well rounded MMA fighter at any stage - true hes had over 20 wins but a lot are against Tomato cans or fighters that have seen their best days.
His best wins are prolly against Barnett, SIlva and Igor (though Igor was definally on the way down at that stage).

[steelba]

agreed.