MMA Thread

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Can't wait for this Event... 'bout time they put a good one out.

[Lemmywinks]

Yeah but still not worth paying for.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

:rolleyes:

[steelba]

Yeah but still not worth paying for.
Agreed.

[Freddy316]

I haven't decided if I'm going to pay for this one or not yet, I might so I can see it in HD. I haven't payed for one in a while so I won't feel like I'm getting ripped off.

[steelba]

It wont be worth it, Anderson will get a quick brutal KO, or he'll prance around for 5 Rounds.

So lets hear who you all think will the main event, and in what round.
Anderson Silva 1st round KO or TKO.

[Freddy316]

My run down,
Anderson Silva/Sonnen - Anderson by KO/TKO in the second round (I think he might toy with Sonnen in the first round)
Dos Santos/Nelson - Dos Santos by KO/TKO in the first round
Thiago Alves/Jon Fitch - Alves by decision
Hughes/Almeida - Almeida by submission
Clay Guida/dos Anjos - Guida by decision

[steelba]

First two fights were great!

[steelba]

That was one of the weirdest fights i've ever seen. Fool didn't try at all in the 1st round, then decides to try in the last 2 rounds :sure:

[Lemmywinks]

Yeah overall it was an odd fight with an odd ending. Regardless a win for Silva.

[Freddy316]

Would have never expected the Silva/Sonnen fight to go the way it did. I thought there was a chance that Sonnen would be able to use his wrestling to squeek out a boring decision but I didn't expect him to be so dominate and active with the ground and pound. In the end Anderson got the win though and that's all that matters - the Nogueira's don't give their BJJ black-belts to just anyone so it's a mistake to underestimate Anderson's ability to pull off submissions. He still needs to work on his wrestling though.

I was also surprised at Roy Nelson's ability to take a punch, he took a lot of good shots from Dos Santos but he was able to hang in there until the end. Even though Dos Santos didn't get the finish it was still an impressive dominate performance by him though. I will be looking forward to seeing him fight the winner of Lesnar/Velasquez.

[Lemmywinks]

Just hoping we will finally see Belfort get a shot.

[Freddy316]

Belfort is supposed to be next in line. As long as no injuries occur the fight should hopefully happen before the end of this year.

[Il Duce]

If you didn't think Sonnen could and would give it his all you were sadly mistaken and pretty dominated all of the 4 out of 5 rounds and i'm not really too sure he really did tap from the replay of footage but i guess it was called that way. It was alot better of a fight than i thought that it would be and most of the fights on the card were all pretty good from what i've heard or read on blog's online surprised that Big Country actually put up a fight against Dos Santos guess he's pretty tough but still lost in the end.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

He def. tapped. And Roy really didn't put up a fight, yeah he lasted but he was really just a punchin' bag.

[Freddy316]

Sonnen obviously tapped. He himself didn't even argue it in his post fight interview.

[steelba]

He clearly tapped you clown.
He did put up a MUCH better fight then I ever though he could, EVER!
Sadly he has no heart, and after talking all that smack for months he cried uncle and tapped. Chael needs to learn some submission defense for F's sake. He almost exclusively loses to submissions, he clearly has no answer and doesn't even bother training for them.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I just don't understand why he just didn't go to sleep. Yeah he might be tired or whatever, but you are winning 4 out of 5 rounds. The 5th round is almost over, all you had to do was try and get out of it or go to sleep, tappin' shouldn't even be an option. It's not like it's a arm or a leg that could break... just pass out. Still just boggle's my mind.

[steelba]

I 100% agree with you, it's almost like it followed a script :stare:

[Freddy316]

It's not like it's a arm or a leg that could break... just pass out. Still just boggle's my mind.
Anderson had a double submission locked in - triangle and arm bar at the same time. Anyone would have tapped.

[steelba]

Anderson had a double submission locked in - triangle and arm bar at the same time. Anyone would have tapped.
Royce Gracie wouldn't have :stare3:

[Freddy316]

True, any Gracie would rather have their arm snapped in half and go to sleep rather then tap.

[Darkgod]

He clearly tapped you clown.
He did put up a MUCH better fight then I ever though he could, EVER!
Sadly he has no heart, and after talking all that smack for months he cried uncle and tapped. Chael needs to learn some submission defense for F's sake. He almost exclusively loses to submissions, he clearly has no answer and doesn't even bother training for them.

Your crazy... first off... who predicted this... me... I was the only one who said Silva wouild win but not dominate. Second off... did you Sonnen get out of the other submision attempts? I agree he shouldn't have tapped, and went to sleep. But you have one of the best submission guys on the planet about to break your arm.

[Darkgod]

Royce Gracie wouldn't have :stare3:
Not only would he not tap... he wouldn't even grimace.

http://www.mmaroot.com/matt-hughes-vs-royce-gracie-ufc-60-video/

at 245, a wicked arm bar and he is calm as fuck

[Freddy316]

Anderson will be out until March 2011 due to a rib injury.
http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=5043

Well I guess the fight with Belfort is postponed yet again. :nervouswreck:
This injury might also might explain why Anderson was so easily dominated by Sonnen for the entire fight. Fighting with a rib injury will effect your performance in a bad way.

[steelba]

Belfort/Sonnen then, let the trash talk begin. Or Belfort vs Leben :lol2:

[Freddy316]

They will probably have Belfort fight a can. Or maybe they will do Belfort vs. Sonnen with the winner getting the title shot when Anderson is ready.

[Darkgod]

Belfort Sonnen would be good. Cause sonnen def. deserves a rematch just for the fight he had.

[steelba]

I just wanna see Belfort fight someone again :nervouswreck:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Anybody hear 'bout Roger Huerta's street fight? If you don't know who Roger Huerta is (I'm sure everybody that visit's this thread knows who he is) a former UFC Fighter and also the 1st MMA Fighter Featured on a SI cover. There is a video out there some where, shouldn't be hard to find... I checked it out, and I gotta say he did the right thing. The other dude clearly KO'ed a girl and Huerta did not like that one bit!

[Freddy316]

Yeah, I saw that video. I'm glad Huerta did what he did, that coward that punched the girl deserved what he got. Here's a link to the video if anyone else didn't see it.
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=06122435-fea9-4358-91eb-330a87db4f24

[Lemmywinks]

Well that asshole not only hit a girl but sucker punched her from behind so yeah my hats off to Huerta.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I also heard the guy that punched the girl was a ex-nfl player. He played College football for Texas and was a linebacker and also played for the Falcons for 1 season before being cut.... I bet he doesn't play again.

[Darkgod]

Good he did what he did.. but the video sucks. There are a lot of fight videos like that with ufc guys. A famous one is one of the Gracie's getting called out on a beach in Brazil and proceeds to destroy the guy, while he brother does funny comedy on the camera.

[steelba]

Maybe she was running her mouth and deserved to be ko'd, Roger playing captain :dsp:

[Freddy316]

You don't know that, and it doesn't even matter if she was being a bitch - a guy throwing a punch like that at a girl can never be justified. What if that was your sister or girlfriend, you would want that asshole to pay. I'm glad Huerta had the balls to step up and make sure that piece of shit got what he deserved instead of just standing there and watching like everyone else.

[Darkgod]

Only girl on the planet alowed to be punched by a man is Snooki... cause that was funny.

[Lemmywinks]

He played College football for Texas and was a linebacker

That helps explain this guy. If not there Tennessee. They enjoy them their bar fights.

[steelba]

You don't know that, and it doesn't even matter if she was being a bitch - a guy throwing a punch like that at a girl can never be justified.
Hahahahaha ok tool. Watch the news or the show Snapped, so many women murder their husbands and kill their babies, it's not even funny (just turned on the news today and there is another baby murder perpetrated by the mother). Plus they barely get punished for it. They say they're equals in America, so treat em as such. Bess go wipe out your vagina now freddy i'm sure it's sore you cunt.

[Freddy316]

Hahahahaha ok tool. Watch the news or the show Snapped, so many women murder their husbands and kill their babies, it's not even funny (just turned on the news today and there is another baby murder perpetrated by the mother). Plus they barely get punished for it. They say they're equals in America, so treat em as such. Bess go wipe out your vagina now freddy i'm sure it's sore you cunt.
Go beat up a girl then dipshit. I guess you're no better then that scumbag. What does any of what you said have to do with this girl that got punched? Yeah, obviously there are plenty of crazy women out there that need to be imprisoned and there is an unfair double standard in the legal system but again what does it have to do with this incident?

[FrighT MasteR]

UFC street fights :rock:

[C.H.U.D.]

Only girl on the planet alowed to be punched by a man is Snooki... cause that was funny.

I endorse this statement.

[Darkgod]

What no chat about Strikeforce houston? Lashley shown to be a chump... King Mo dropping the belt..... good card for the underdogs...

[Lemmywinks]

Didn't even know it was on whoopsy.

[Darkgod]

well all talks of Lashley and Brock should be stopped imediatly... Lashley proved he is nowhere near brocks level

[Lemmywinks]

Can't say I'm shocked with King Mo losing his belt which I feel he didn't win in the first place.

[Darkgod]

I agree sort of... I am a big supporter of you must beat the champ to get the belt... not lay and pray... but I think Mo is a better all around fighter then Feija... just he matches better vs mo

[Lemmywinks]

I hear ya. Going to stream Saturdays fight my main interest being Courture/Toney.

[XArsenicx]

I hear ya. Going to stream Saturdays fight my main interest being Courture/Toney.

Where you streaming it at? I don't feel like paying for it. Haha.

[steelba]

I'll laugh if Couture get's KO'd. He's not gonna be able to take a punch from Toney. BJ Penn should win easily, more UFWWE.

[Lemmywinks]

Well Courture is smarter and more skilled then Silvia so I imagine he'll avoid trading with Toney unless it's in the script. :D

[steelba]

Actually could care less about this card, another boring one.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Of course, you don't have to tell us. You think everyone of them are boring.

EDIT: but to be honest this isn't the best one, but there are a couple of fights I want to see.

[steelba]

hahahaha Chris Leben vs Vitor Belfort is being tossed around.

[Darkgod]

I'll laugh if Couture get's KO'd. He's not gonna be able to take a punch from Toney. BJ Penn should win easily, more UFWWE.

Just like Sonnen... or like how Edgar beat him the first time.....

[Darkgod]

Lot of hate for the undercard but there are some good fights. Kflo vs Maynard is gonna be sick. Diaz fight is gonna be the sleeper.

[steelba]

yeah ok :yawn:

[Darkgod]

Maynard will be champion within 2 years... anyone who is a true fan of MMA would tell you that. As fopr Diaz and Davis... you got a great shit talker who knows how to back it up, and a guy who does nothing but throw bombs... big bombs. Sorry this isn't strikeforce that puts their "top fighters" against inferior opponents, and then looks the fool when they get beat by them.

[steelba]

Yeah because the UFC doesn't do that. Whatta fool.

Jon Jones vs Vlad, Anderson Silva vs Maia, A.Silva vs 90% of his matchups. BJ Penn vs Numerous Inferior Scrubz, etc. GSP and Brock are the only ones that get worthy matchups in the ufc.

[Darkgod]

yeah but when UFC does it, the favorites win

[steelba]

yeah but when UFC does it, the favorites win
So you're the UFC's bitch, yay.
Lil Nog got upset but the judges rigged the decision, of coarse being the UFC's bitch you'll just suck that knob all day long though.

[Darkgod]

I agree that he lost and that was a bullshit decision... but that doesn't mean this is some shit show. If someone isn't a name, you seem not to care about them. Last year John Jones wasn't the known fighter he is today, but people who knew him knew he was good. Same thing with Maynard.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Agreed. I've seen Maynard fight on a couple of occasions, dude is a good fighter. Couple of fights I wanna see on this PPV. Oc Course BJ Penn Vs. Edgar (Penn being one of my favorite fighters) Randy Vs. Toney (Wanna See Randy just man handle Toney, which will happen if Randy just sticks to his game plan) K.Flo Vs. Maynard (Should be a really good fight, I think Maynard could pull it off) Nate Diaz Vs. Marcus Davis (Should be really tough, I like both fighters. Diaz is just a beast on the ground And Davis has those heavy hands And Plus Marcus Davis Is a home town guy, doesn't live too far away from me.)

[steelba]

Got Kenflo and Randy should win because Toney is not in shape for this. Doubt i'll even bother to watch this tonight though.

[Darkgod]

My picks on pwtorrents.com :
* Frankie Edgar vs. B.J. Penn - Penn Sub
* Randy Couture vs. James Toney - Couture KO
* Demian Maia vs. Mario Miranda - Maia Dec
* Kenny Florian vs. Gray Maynard - Maynard KO
* Nate Diaz vs. Marcus Davis - Davis Ko

[steelba]

No way does Couture get a KO :lol:

[Lemmywinks]

I'm thinking Couture will wrestle take it to the ground and win by submission. Toney will have no clue what to do if that happens.

[steelba]

I think it will be like the Vera fight, all press/cage control boredom.

[Freddy316]

I doubt the fight will go to a decision. Toney has no experience on the ground so when the fight goes there Couture will probably get the finish - either ground and pound TKO or a submission.

[Lemmywinks]

Hopefully White scripted something good. :D

[steelba]

Funny how Dark says this and that about Strikeforce, but this UFC card is so bad it isn't even worth streaming. And he's pretending it's good :2far:

[steelba]

These are the worst fights :dsp:

[FrighT MasteR]

Worst. UFC. Ever. :stare2:

[Il Duce]

Good thing that i didn't pay for it and got to see it for free wasn't really even worth the download for the most part.

[steelba]

Worst. UFC. Ever. :stare2:

Good thing that i didn't pay for it and got to see it for free wasn't really even worth the download for the most part.
Agreed with both.

By far the most pathetic card i've ever witnessed, from any organization :2far:

[Lemmywinks]

3 hours of my life I would like to have back.

[Freddy316]

The only fight I watched was the Couture/Toney fight which went as expected. I read the results of all the other fights. I agree that this was one of the weakest cards put on in a while especially for a PPV. I feel sorry for everyone who paid the 45 bucks for it.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Guess I'm glad I missed it... what made it so bad? I only saw the results and there were a lot of decisions. Kinda pissed that BJ Penn lost.

[Apocalypse]

I loved it I got to see...

b low j ob get smashed by Edgar

Maia walked through Miranda like i knew he would

Miller pulled out a last minute sub

The only downside was nate douchebag won

Kenny Florian did not try to fight

and of course The Tony joke.

[FrighT MasteR]

Guess I'm glad I missed it... what made it so bad? I

Boring drawn-out fights and predictable outcomes :disp:

[Lemmywinks]

Yeah it was very shitty. Not even worth the free stream I found.

[Darkgod]

I guess you guys are MMA elitist or something... Those first two fights where excellent. 3 of the 4 bloodied up, good stand up. A nice sub (though i wish Davis Ko'd him). Maia did exactly what was expected... I am not a huge straight BJJ match, and that was what it was. Couture did exactly what was expected... My worst decision was going againt my fellow New Jersian and picking BJ, who got schooled. It wasn't all names, but it delivered action. Steelba is pissed and compares it to Strikeforce... but if this was Strikeforce we would have seen Toney vs Paul Buntella...

[steelba]

Nobody agrees with you brand whore.

[Darkgod]

lol.... if anyone on here is a brandwhore... it isn't me. I watch Ufc, Strikeforce, Dream, and WEC(owned by UFC). I am just a fan of the best fighters period... hence why I like a guy like Gray Maynard, and in the same breath I can say I liek Gegard Moussassi.

[Darkgod]

Maynard/Edgar might co main event with Coscheck/GSP, or be it's own main event IN Dec. or Jan. Hope for the co main event, as that will be two awesome fights IMO.

[Darkgod]

Mir/Cro Cop has some good fights going for it. Funny that Nogeria pulled out of the Mir fight due to injury, but is still fighting now at LHW.

[Freddy316]

Funny that Nogeria pulled out of the Mir fight due to injury, but is still fighting now at LHW.
Are you being serious? You do know that there are two Nogueira's right?

[Darkgod]

HAHA.... I'm a dope. I looked at the nickname, and that he was ranked and figured it was the good one.

[ZMBGraphics]

I had to work security at one of these fights the other day..I really do not understand any of it.

[steelba]

lol,, it's a fight whats so hard to understand.

[Darkgod]

This new trainnee at my job was walking around with cauliflower ear. I asked him if he was a wrestler, and he said yea. Fast forward two days later, and I'm talking to another trainee and he tells me the other guy is a pro mma fighter. Now I think hea bullshitting, but tells me the guy goes to some mma school in tons river. I say "not Frankie edgars school?" he says yea, he was even at the event Saturday. He was in edgars corner. He then showed me a video clip, and sure enough you see him in the octagon.

[ZMBGraphics]

I don't understand how it's a "fight" when 3/4 of the "fights" are some dude wrapping his legs around another dude, while he's got him in a homoembrace choke hold. Then the fight is called, and the winner is the guy that choked the other guy. Then gloats "Yeah I mean I fought hard, and prevailed"..fought? You pulled the biggest pussy move on the planet aside from ball kicking. I'm sorry, but that's a pussy way out..If I paid to see this shit..I'd be pissed..A fight should be a FIGHT not a cuddling match.

[Lemmywinks]

Well it's mixed martial arts and submissions are a part of the game if ya don't understand then :getout:

[steelba]

Well in all honesty there wasn't really any fighting in the last UFC event, except for Penn's loss.

[Freddy316]

I usually prefer watching two good strikers slug it out with each other, but the ground aspect is exciting also as long as their is action going on. The ground aspect is a part of MMA. Someone who doesn't know anything about it will look at it as if nothing is going on, but if you know what you are watching then it is interesting to watch the different BJJ techniques fighters use to gain position and try to lock in a submission. The only thing that is boring is when a wrestler does nothing but lay on top of an opponent in order to grind out a decision win.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I don't understand how it's a "fight" when 3/4 of the "fights" are some dude wrapping his legs around another dude, while he's got him in a homoembrace choke hold. Then the fight is called, and the winner is the guy that choked the other guy. Then gloats "Yeah I mean I fought hard, and prevailed"..fought? You pulled the biggest pussy move on the planet aside from ball kicking. I'm sorry, but that's a pussy way out..If I paid to see this shit..I'd be pissed..A fight should be a FIGHT not a cuddling match.

:noob: :outtahere:

[Darkgod]

Some news....

Anyone notice that Strikeforce Middleweight Champion signed with UFC back in July? I missed that, but Jake Shields is fighting on UFC 121 and right off the bat gets some good competition in Martin Kampmann.
Also Belfort vs Okami announced as a main-event, with winner facing winner of the Silva/Sonnen rematch.
Nov. 20th we are getting Rampage/Machida
And we are also getting (not from UFC) Ken Shamrock vs, Johnathen Ivey..... http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Johnathan-Ivey-2100 who is 29-42

[Darkgod]

Also looks like Strikeforced must have release Brett "Grim" Rogers as he is fighting on some bush leauge shows. Depending on how he has recovered from Emelienko/Overeem... Ufc might wanna grab him, and bolster their already good Heavyweight division.

[Lemmywinks]

Ken Shamrock really needs to go away.

[steelba]

UFC is so gay, A Sonnen rematch is a crime. The fool lost, he wasn't the champ and doesn't deserve a rematch. They'll do anything not to let Vitor shatter Silva's chin. Anderson Silva wont have to play the game this time and will put Sonnen away quickly, i'm so sick of the WWE-UFC. What shitty scripts they write.

[Freddy316]

I don't like the UFC's new habit of putting on immediate title rematches all the time. Shogun/Machida, Penn/Edgar, now Anderson/Sonnen. Shogun/Machida was okay because it was a bad decision the first time but there was no reason for Penn to get an immediate rematch and there is no reason for Sonnen to get an immediate rematch. Yeah, Sonnen did good but he was fighting an injured Anderson and in the end he still lost. If he lost to an injured Anderson he will most likely lose to a 100% healthy Anderson so I agree it's a waste of a fight. Vitor is a worthy challenger who has been waiting for a long time, he should have been next. Sonnen should have to work his way back up again.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

UFC is so gay, A Sonnen rematch is a crime. The fool lost, he wasn't the champ and doesn't deserve a rematch. They'll do anything not to let Vitor shatter Silva's chin. Anderson Silva wont have to play the game this time and will put Sonnen away quickly, i'm so sick of the WWE-UFC. What shitty scripts they write.

Just Stop Watching It.

But I would also like to see The Vitor & Silva Fight.

[Lemmywinks]

I'd like to see Vitor/Silva a hell of a lot more then a Silva rematch with Sonnen. Dana White is beetch.

[Darkgod]

Why would there not be a rematch of that fight.. Sonnen has gone farther, and came closer to beating Silva in the UFC, more then anyone else.

[Freddy316]

Why would there not be a rematch of that fight.. Sonnen has gone farther, and came closer to beating Silva in the UFC, more then anyone else.
No one is saying that there should never be a rematch, but immediate rematches are lame especially when there is another good contender in Vitor Belfort who has been waiting for a shot for a long time. At the end of the day a loss is a loss, Sonnen should have to work his way back up the ladder or at least have one fight with another top contender before he gets another shot. I would say it should be the other way around from what it is now, it should be Silva/Belfort as the next title fight and Sonnen/Okami to determine who gets the next shot after that.

[Darkgod]

Yeah i guess I could deal with that. Im just amazed at the backlash, when it was a good fight.

[steelba]

It's stupid, Sonnen gets a bullshit gift fight when he lost. He wasn't the champ and didn't beat the champ, but in this phoniness he gets an immediate rematch. What a circus. Belfort will beat Okami then still have to wait 9 months to fight Silva.

[Darkgod]

You crack me up. It isn't stupid because majority of fight fans who saw that last fight wanted a rematch immeadietly because of how close it was. If not for the last minute sub, we would have a new Middleweight champ. But you want Belfort to fight in the spot now... the same Belfort who has never fought at middleweight in UFC, only has two Middleweight matches in his career and vs no one too amazing. The same Vitor Belfort who only is fighting at middleweight because he tested for steroids, and can no longer keep weight to fight at heavyweight. The same Vitor Belfort who has never beat anyone that would be called an A list fighter (with the exception of Couture by cut). But this is the guy who should fight Silva instead of the one guy, who already came the closest to ending his reign. :die:

[steelba]

just STFU fanboy.

[Darkgod]

haha no response

[IKickAssForTheLord]

:dance4:

[steelba]

I already responded, that loud mouth clown lost and doesn't deserve a rematch.

[Darkgod]

So a guy who has never fought at middleweight in UFC does?

[steelba]

Think whatever you want, the UFC sucks now, enjoy watching your men grind on each other aimlessly for the duration.

[Darkgod]

Atleast in 1 year, UFC will be still around... same cannot be def. said for Strikeforce

[steelba]

You act like it's your company, who really gives an F.

[Freddy316]

Both the UFC and Strikeforce have their share of good and shitty fights so I don't understand why some people need to bash one or the other. I usually watch the UFC more because they got most of the established big name fighters and some good up and comers as well. Even though their matchmaking is pretty bad at times at lot of the fights still end up being good.

[Darkgod]

Contrary to what Steelba believes, I actually am a fan of both feds. As well as others.

[Lemmywinks]

Shitty or not I still watch and as far as UFC goes not pay for ppv wise.

[Darkgod]

Yeah I havent paid for 1 since Rampage/Rashad

[steelba]

UFC 119 is pathetic and last night was even more pathetic, couldn't even hold Lemmy's or my attention for more than a few minutes.

[Darkgod]

119 isn't pathetic... it shouldn't be a ppv, and maybe a free show on versus... but you got a bunch of good fighters to watch. You just hate UFC so much you cannot look past it.

[Darkgod]

Guilard/Stepheson is two good young fighters, You get the Muscle Shark, You get Matt Serra... Mir/Cro cop is gonna just be them throwing bombs. And we'll get Bader beating Lil' Nog

[steelba]

Cro Cop can't throw "bombs anymore", Mir is on the decline, and Serra is irrelevant.

[Freddy316]

UFC 119 looks alright. Not worth paying 45 bucks for, but some of the fights look interesting.

[Darkgod]

Cro Cop can't throw "bombs anymore", Mir is on the decline, and Serra is irrelevant.

3 out of 5 KO's in his last fights for cro cop..... as for Mir I agree he is on his decline, he still is entertaining. Not to mention his only losses in recent years have been to Lesnar and Carwin... probally the two best HW's. .... I never said Serra was relevant, but he is entertaining to watch. And his opponent is certainly relevent since he is probally 2-3 fights away from a title shot. I do agree that thisn't a good enough card to waste money on. But it is in no way a shitty card. If it had a good main evnt. and the rest was the under card. It certainly would though.

[steelba]

I'll just read this thread to find out who won, not gonna watch it.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

:whew: Good now we just gotta wait for Steelba to stop posting in here :yes:

[Lemmywinks]

Probably going to stream 119 unless a better college football game is on.

[Darkgod]

UFC 119 is pathetic and last night was even more pathetic, couldn't even hold Lemmy's or my attention for more than a few minutes.

Ok, I just finally watched the fights and I wonder... do you have ADHD or do you just not like fights with A list fighters? Maybe the second fight was a bit on the boring side, but even that had some nice back and forth. BUt in the first match you get a nice come from behind victory from an underdog, a stupid mistake leading to a ref stoppage in the main event, and besides the annoying gyrations we might have gotten to see the beginning of a superstars career. Olivera looked awesome (except for the stupid gyrations). It was a free event, to set up future fights, and you act like it sucked.

[steelba]

Bored me, but you're brand obsessed, and never have an ill word to speak on that org. So I just disregard your comments about anything UFC.

Didn't bother reading past your second sentence above.

[Darkgod]

well if you did you would know I didn't care for the second fight, and I am not brand obbsessed... I said that 119 isnt worth spending money on as well... but it there isn't an A'list fighter you bash it. What do you want from a fight, someone to pull off a sub-zero and rip someones spine out?

[Darkgod]

Did you watch all four fights? The first fight and the third fight where both good.. the second could have been better, and the main was just a bit contreversial and could have been a better fight

[steelba]

No the fights weren't good enough to hold my attention, Lemmy and I both canned it.

There really aren't any fight's in the UFC i'm looking forward to except maybe Brock's next fight (he's one of the only fighters who gets real fight's and competition in the UFC). Belfor vs Okami if that happens, other thant hat nothing looks good. Does Jon Jones even have another opponent yet?

[Darkgod]

Well u should atleast check out the third fight... Escadero vs Olivera... was def. worth it.
As for Jones, he just fought Aug. 1st, so nothing yet

[Darkgod]

Did some research for you... and more of a reason to watch 119... winner of Bader/Lil' Nog gets Jon Jones

[steelba]

I'll read who won after it's over, 119 isn't even worth watching for free.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Dark Stop trying to get Steelba to watch UFC. :mad:

[steelba]

Dark Stop trying to get Steelba to watch UFC. :mad:
Looks like someone needs another 9 infractions :stare3:

[Darkgod]

:lol: I know it's a lost cause... im just trying

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Looks like someone needs another 9 infractions :stare3:

:shakes:

[Lemmywinks]

Well the free fight night was a waste I couldn't keep interested. And like I said we are now in college ball season so if no good night games are on I'll stream 119. I will admit I am somewhat interested in Mir/Cro-cop because it would be funny to see Cro-Cop pull a submission which these days in possible.

[steelba]

Mir should win, CroCop is washed up and got some easy fights throw his way..
If Mir doesn't win he needs to consider retirement.

[Darkgod]

that third fight on the free card was one of the best fights in a long time... your crazy

[Lemmywinks]

Well that and the :soadeto:

[Freddy316]

Chael Sonnen may have tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, may be suspended for a year.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=12645&zoneid=2

We will have to wait for independent verification but I guess the Sonnen/Silva rematch won't happen afterall.

[steelba]

thank you :metalbang:

[Darkgod]

Wow... well serves him right if its true

[steelba]

I bet Lance Armstrong is laughing at him right now :hehe:

[Darkgod]

I still don't get why fighters use steroids... they are almost 100 percent caught.

[steelba]

I still don't get why fighters use steroids... they are almost 100 percent caught.
No there not, you can cycle em where you don't get caught (in between cycles), and there are new HGH derived steroids that can't be detected on drug tests. Congress and drug panels admit that they can't keep up with all of them and don't even have tests for many. About 90% of the UFC fighters are on Roids, they had an ex supplier/user who ruined his liver talking about it on sherdog awhile back. The fighters almost all use them, it's not that big of a deal, in Pride they were allowed to use them.

[Darkgod]

Ok, I get that and know about HGH with MLB and everything. But if they can use something that won't get them caught, or can cycle them so they don't get caught... why are there still idiots getting caught... Sonnen, Belfort, Sherk are just some of the bigger names int he past few years.

[steelba]

That is an excellent question!
The reason why is cost, the known roids cost way less. Say $5-$10k, where as the high end, undetectable, designer stuff, will cost 50k-250k. NFL and MLB players get paid a minimum of 5 million a year if there any good, with MLB players making 20mil a year on a baseball contract alone (without 100miil a year endorsements). So they can swing the cost. I liken the cost/benefit to a Honda that costs 20k, vs a Bently that costs 200k, both are cars, and serve the same purpose, one is just better ;)

Now MMA Fighters make 200k a fight if they're the absolute Elite, or 500k if they're Brock! So the budget of a MMA fighter is about 2% of an NFL or MLB player if they're that lucky. So naturally they can't afford to shell out half a million a year on the BEST. Lots of drug addicts would love to buy China White heroin but at over 5k an ounce they just get TAR for a few hundred dollars, it's the same principal.

If the MMA fighters start making what Boxers make (10mil - 20mil a fight), you'll see less positive tests, as they'll have the bankroll to get the best.

[Darkgod]

So that brings me back to my original question... if they cannot afford the good stuff, then why even use it knowing they are probally gonna get pinched

[steelba]

So that brings me back to my original question... if they cannot afford the good stuff, then why even use it knowing they are probally gonna get pinched


Risk vs reward

They get paid more for winning and if you time your cycle right you're usually good. Say they do a 6 week cycle on roids, then time their off cycle for when the fight date is scheduled. I'm guessing some of them don't feel as strong on the off cycle and push it a little to far and get popped. But most fighters can just time there cycling because they know the date they have to get tested for the fight's.

[Lemmywinks]

Well hopefully we have seen the last of Sonnen.

[steelba]

Doubtful, Dana runs the puppet show, and he's a starring attraction.

[Darkgod]

yeah other offenders have come back, namely Belfort and Sherk

[Darkgod]

So I read that Dana White has told Jon Jones he will be getting a condsiderable step up in competition. Also that he will be getting a title shot in 2-3 fights. So we know Evan/Rua is gonna happen March '11. Also Page/Machida in November. So I say... Jones faces Forrest Griffin, Nov. or Dec. As much as people hate on griffen, he still is a name. He is still ranked on sherdog, and he is the only guy to really be Rua in the UFC. Anyway... You set that fight up. and when Jones handles him, his next fight could be vs the winner of Machida/Page... with the winner of that going on to winner of Rua/Rashad... sets up so many scenarios.... the rookie making a run, Griffen/Machida 2, Griffen/Page 2, Griffen/Rashad 2, Rashad/Rampage 2, Page/Shogun 2, Shogun/Machida 3. If Jones doesn't face Griffen, I'd like to see him face the winne rof Bader/Lil Nog, or a def. Light-Heavyweight Wanderlie, or an older guy who is still a name... i.e Franklin or Liddel.
It was mentioned also about a poss. Couture fight... but I think Couture is a little too skilled in the little things to be facing him now.

What's everyone elses ideas?

[Freddy316]

I hope it's not Forrest, I want to see Jones tested in his next fight. I think Jones would probably end up embarrassing Forrest even worse then Anderson Silva did. True, all the other big names at 205 are tied up in other fights but you still got Franklin and Couture available, either one I think would be a better choice then Forrest.

[Darkgod]

Franklin would be good... but I think Couture could derail the Jones train. Not saying he's better then Jones... he is just a veteran who knows how to handle himself.

[Darkgod]

Efrain Escadero, season 8 tuf winner, cut from UFC

[steelba]

Franklin would be good... but I think Couture could derail the Jones train. Not saying he's better then Jones... he is just a veteran who knows how to handle himself.
He could barely handle Vera, RIP Cotoure.

[Darkgod]

and he destroyed toney, and before Vera he looked good vs Brock. Brock is a better wrestler then Jones.. and Jones doesn't have the strength of Lesnar, Couture could use every tactic to beat an uneducated Jones.

[steelba]

Muthafucka please, Toney aint shit and you know it. Couture will get tooled and Franklin has always been overrated. Either of those two fighters will get destroyed with the quickness. If they make those matchups i'll bet you $100 minimum on Jones.

[Darkgod]

LOL.. I think Jones would take Franklin... but it is a good stepping stone... and I don't care how good you think Jones is... Couture is a veteran and would eat him alive.

[steelba]

Sure, just like you'd win last week :rolleyes:

[Darkgod]

haha... just like Carwin and Penn would win, and Sonnen would get destroyed....

[Lemmywinks]

Doubtful, Dana runs the puppet show, and he's a starring attraction.

Well I can always hope.

[steelba]

Sonnen would get destroyed....
How was I suppose to know he'd be on maximum roid dosage :shrugs:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

You say everybody does it, you should have known!

[steelba]

You say everybody does it, you should have known!
Perhaps I did know :shifty:

[Freddy316]

How was I suppose to know he'd be on maximum roid dosage :shrugs:
Not only that but Anderson was injured in that fight. So you had a Sonnen on roids against an injured Anderson and Sonnen still lost. I suspect a healthy Anderson against a natural roid-free Sonnen would have ended with a much earlier finish for Anderson.

[steelba]

Agreed, kick just likes being whore :smokin2:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

:confident:

[Darkgod]

Agreed, kick just likes being whore :smokin2:

But you said everyone is on it, and the better fighters are on the better stuff... so obviously Silva was on it too... and better stuff

[Darkgod]

Not only that but Anderson was injured in that fight. So you had a Sonnen on roids against an injured Anderson and Sonnen still lost. I suspect a healthy Anderson against a natural roid-free Sonnen would have ended with a much earlier finish for Anderson.

Don't you notice... after everyone loses... they where injured... cause no one wants to man up and say.... "He kicked my ass"

[steelba]

But you said everyone is on it, and the better fighters are on the better stuff... so obviously Silva was on it too... and better stuff


About 90% of the UFC fighters are on Roids.

Learn to comprehend what you read please.

[Freddy316]

Don't you notice... after everyone loses... they where injured... cause no one wants to man up and say.... "He kicked my ass"
Except this injury was confirmed. It's the reason he won't be able to fight until 2011.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/432287-cracked-not-broken-anderson-silva-out-until-early-2011-with-rib-injury

[steelba]

:starefreak:

[Darkgod]

How many guys get hurt in thr fight and nothing is ever said. Look at Urijah Fabers fight where he broke both his hands... no one said it was the reason he lost. Him included

[Freddy316]

Speaking of injuries, Vitor Belfort had to just pull out of his UFC 122 fight against Okami possibly due to an injury, Nate Marquardt is stepping in.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=12664&zoneid=2

Now we are going to have to wait even longer to see Belfort back in the octagon, it's already been a full year since his last fight.

[steelba]

Ugh that was the only fight i've been looking forward too, Nate is noy interesting to me.

[Darkgod]

Well the rumor is Belfort might be just getting pulled up to face Silva ( even though he doesn't deserve it yet), but if the injury is true then you wont see Belfort/Silva for over a year atleast... and maybe never if Silva does indeed retire next year. Marquardt is gonna beat Okami I think... even though he doesn't interest Steelba he is a good fighter, with some nice wins. His only lossed in Ufc come to Sonnen, Silva and Thales Leites ( and that was only to Bullshit pt reductions on marquardt) Now if Marquardt does win... I don't think he's gonna fair better vs Silva then he did before.

[steelba]

I was thinking about the Belfort vs Silva jobbing aswell. We'll see I guess.

[Freddy316]

Well the rumors of Belfort being pulled from the Okami fight so he can fight Silva are correct, Silva vs. Belfort is set to happen for early 2011.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/20748/champ-anderson-silva-vs-vitor-belfort-targeted-for-early-2011-possibly-ufc-125.mma

This is the third time this fight has been scheduled, hopefully it will happen this time without any more injuries delaying it.

[steelba]

Oh my Science :fapper::fapper2:

[Darkgod]

Now all those people who bashed Brock for getting a title shot after two fights in his weight class... Belfort gets one without fighting ever at Middleweight in UFC. I doubt we'll get the same Bashers

[Freddy316]

Now all those people who bashed Brock for getting a title shot after two fights in his weight class... Belfort gets one without fighting ever at Middleweight in UFC. I doubt we'll get the same Bashers
Difference is when Brock got his title shot not only was he new to the UFC, he was new to MMA in general. He only had a couple of fights total for his entire career. Belfort is an established name, not all of his fights were in the UFC but he has a lot of good wins over some big names, some in the UFC some in other orgs. Not all of his fights were in middleweight but that doesn't really matter considering there is no one else in the UFC's middleweight division that I think deserves a shot more then Belfort right now. You tell me, if not Belfort who would you want to see get the next shot? Marquardt? He all ready got a shot and lost. Okami? How does he deserve a title shot? Belfort is the contender that makes the most sense right now.

[Darkgod]

Belfort has only two matches at middleweight... ever. Both for Affliction, and both vs chumps.. Pride Middleweight is the equivalent of UFC Light Heavyweight. A list of guys who have wins in UFC Middleweight and should be fighting ahead of Belfot :Vanderlei Silva (win over Bisping), Marquardt ( wins over Palhares, Horn, Kampmen, and Maia), Okami has a 9-2 record in the MW division. (lost to Franklin and Sonnen)

I'm not saying Belfort shouldn't get a show. But he should fight someone in the division before the champion.

[steelba]

Wanderli is to old he'd get murdered, he couldn't even beat Rampage. Okami isn't up to the task, I bet Nate beats him. Belfort hasn't fought him yet and it should be fireworks. Quit complaining already Dark, you love everything UFC, you'll watch it.

[Darkgod]

I'd watch it cause I am a fan of both of them... but I don't think Belfort is in that spot yet. Its just funny the same guys bashing brock for getting the title shot after two fights in the ufc, aren't bitching about belfort getting it after Zero.

[Darkgod]

Okami isn't up to the task, He already beat Silva once

[Darkgod]

Wanderli is to old
He's younger then Silva

[steelba]

You could just multi quote, and that was a DQ win for Okami, and he got KTFO.

[Darkgod]

Dq win cause Silva threw an illegal kick... more reason for a rematch instead of givinga guy who doesn;t deserve it the shot

[steelba]

No.

[Lemmywinks]

Well the rumors of Belfort being pulled from the Okami fight so he can fight Silva are correct, Silva vs. Belfort is set to happen for early 2011.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/20748/champ-anderson-silva-vs-vitor-belfort-targeted-for-early-2011-possibly-ufc-125.mma

This is the third time this fight has been scheduled, hopefully it will happen this time without any more injuries delaying it.

Well i'll be damned.

[Freddy316]

Do you really think Okami has a shot at beating Silva Dark? If you were able to vote on which fight you would rather see would you really pick Silva/Okami? I don't even think that would be a competitive fight to be honest. Vitor Belfort has much better striking then Okami and like Anderson he is also a black belt in BJJ. The Silva/Belfort fight should be an exciting competitive fight unlike what a Silva/Okami fight would be.

[Darkgod]

I think Silva/Befort is a great fight... doesn't take away from the fact that he shouldnt be fighting this early. Wanderlei would be a good fight for Anderson. He's as good at BJJ and has KO power. And Okami would have a shot I think... he is as good on the ground, but nowhere near as good standing

[steelba]

Wanderli is punch drunk, his best days are behind him.

[Freddy316]

I wouldn't mind seeing Wanderlei get a shot at some point but he didn't really look that impressive in his last fight against Bisping. Also, it was a long time ago but Belfort does have a win over Wanderlei.

[steelba]

Mir better win or if not retire.

[Darkgod]

lol... less then a year ago you were claiming Mir was gonna destroy Carwin.... not to mention... Cro cop is still dangerous

[steelba]

Damn you live in the past and just like to hear yourself talk :sigh:

Cro Cop is washed up and Mir is declining, I wont be watching these lame fights, i'll read the results on wiki.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Well Steelba I'm sure you could talk to Dana and maybe get the results early. :confident:

[steelba]

Don't really care one way or another, card is beyond pathetic. Mir should win but if he doesn't who cares. You know it's bad when it doesn't even warrant a free viewing.

[Lemmywinks]

The word "free" is not in Dana Whites vocabulary. Shit card or not he will always expect fans to pay. Gotta love them streaming sites.

[steelba]

Guess I shoulda said not even worth *streaming*

[Lemmywinks]

I will admit I am curious about the Mir/Cro-Cop fight but pay for it no freaking way.

[Freddy316]

The card doesn't look that bad. Not worth paying for, but it looks like a good card to watch for free.

[steelba]

:yawn:

[Darkgod]

no sense talking to these guys Freddy... they have no clue who Evan Dunham, Chris Lytle, or Ryan Bader is... so they think all these fights suck. If it doesn't feature 4 title fights and a Jon Jones match the card sucks... Legit one boring match... Guilard looked like shit, lead with his face and was seconds from being TKO'd. Sherk looked like he was trying to get submitted. Serra/Lytle was a nice fight... and set Lytle up for a future run in with St. Pierre/Koscheck. Lil' Nog/Bader set up a nice Jon Jones/Bader fight ( though I think Jones will beat him.) also proved Lil' Nog isn't shit. Cro cop Mir proved nothing... Cro cop stopped Mir's takedown... Mir wasn't afraid of Cro cops stand up. I think if it went to dec... it was either way. KO' was nice, but nothing to write home about.

[Darkgod]

The word "free" is not in Dana Whites vocabulary. Shit card or not he will always expect fans to pay. Gotta love them streaming sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_120

[steelba]

Eeeew another bad one.
Can't stand Bisping, Hardy is ok though, still doubt i'll watch that one either.

[Freddy316]

The Serra/Lytle fight was great, probably the best fight of the night. Both fighters showed no quit and really put everything out there and man Serra can really take a shot - I look forward to seeing the next fights for both of them. I think Dunham should have got the decision in the Sherk fight, Sherk won the first round but Dunham clearly won the last two rounds in my opinion. Mir/CroCop was a pretty pathetic fight until Mir landed that knee, neither guy was doing much and both looked like they didn't want to be there.

[Darkgod]

I thought Lytle vs Sherk was in Sherks favor... thought he got the first two rounds. Can't say it's a def. decision but just my opinion. I agree with mir/cro cop

[steelba]

Saw most of that Bader/Nog fight, I thought Nog did more, Bader will get destroyed by Jon Jones. Another non competitive fight coming down the pipeline for ole Johnny boy.

[Darkgod]

Your crazy

[steelba]

Jones :metalbang:

Bader :stare2:

[Freddy316]

Bader is good. I do think Jones would make short work of him if that fight happens though. Jones is on another level above all of the other up and comers, he's a guy that needs to be fighting the bigger names.

[steelba]

:yes2:

[Lemmywinks]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_120

He must have been drunk.

[Il Duce]

It was actually an aight PPV some pretty good fights for the most part not worth buying the PPV but was worth watching for free though. I like the fact the UFC 120 is gonna be for free in it's entire showing on Spike can't really complain there.

[Lemmywinks]

The next ppv doesn't sound to horrible.

[steelba]

The last 2 fights look good, that's it for me. I got Brock in 121, I think Cain is gonna get ran over.

[Freddy316]

If Cain can avoid being taken down he has a shot. Cain's striking is better then Brock's.

[steelba]

Everyone's striking is better than Brock's, Lesnar will overpower him.

[Freddy316]

Cain is a wrestler himself though which will make him a little tougher to take down. Brock had trouble getting Carwin down until Carwin gassed in the second round. Cain won't gas. If Cain can keep the fight standing he will probably win.

[steelba]

Be fun to see.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

It will be fun to see.... I'm really looking forward to the Jake Shields Vs. Martin Kampmann Fight (Kampmann being one of my favorite fighters) :rock: ... Be fun to see Deigo fight again, usually puts up good fights.... And the Tito Vs Hamill fight should be interesting.

[Freddy316]

Yeah, I'm also looking forward to Shields debut in the UFC against Kampmann, should be interesting. Diego Sanchez's fight against Paulo Thiago should be good also.

[steelba]

Sanchez will lose, so will Tito. Unsure about Shields, think he'll win.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I think Deigo will most likely win... And I think Kampmann will win... but of course I would say that :confident: ..... Oh And Tito will lose... I remember when first watching this sport I used to like Tito, but he's go down hill A LOT. And I like Hamill so it would be nice to See Hamill beat up his teacher :confident:

[steelba]

Tito is complete garbage and is an awful fighter now. He had his time but that has long since passed. Shields may very well lose but he is elite on the ground imo, so it will be interesting for sure! The Brock fight should be under 3 rounds, if it goes past 3 Brock will certainly lose. I predict another Lesnar mauling though, and I really don't like Valasquez.

[Freddy316]

I'm going with Shields, I think he will win a unanimous decision by dominating Kampmann with his wrestling and BJJ. Tito/Hamill can go either way. Sanchez/Thiago if it's a ground war it will be interesting and can go either way - if it's a striking war Sanchez will lose. For the main event I know I may be going out on a limb but I am going to say Cain will get the win over Brock, yeah it's very possible Brock will do what he usually does and overpower Cain for the win - but I think with Cain being a Division I wrestler himself it will make it harder for Brock to take him down and Cain will pick Brock apart with his striking. Should be a good event.

[steelba]

Well you always root against brock so no surprises there :D

[Freddy316]

He's got to lose sometime :D

[Lemmywinks]

Cain lands enough good shots nighty night Brock.

[steelba]

:no:

[Darkgod]

Cain don't hit anywhere near as hard as Carwin. And you can bet, after seeing the hole in brock's standup, he's not gonna let that happen again. It'll be right to the ground, and hammerfists from Brock FTW

[Lemmywinks]

:no:

I have a rough draft of the script it's in there. :D

[steelba]

Brock's the only one who gets real fights, well him and GSP. There wont be a script for this one.

[Lemmywinks]

The card seems decent lets hope you are right.

[Darkgod]

Anyone besides Kick watch UFC 120? Main event was pretty boring, but the Condit/Hardy match had one of the best KO's... very reminiscent of Liddel/Evans ko... Kongo match was bullshit... he should have lost. (without the penalty)

[steelba]

Only watched the Hardy fight, I searched Wiki early on Saturday for the results. Most of the recent UFC cards have been a waste of my time so I knew better than to watch this. I am also sick of seeing Bisping getting easy fights to pad his record so British fans will still watch and $upport the UFC. Throw Bisping against Marquardt or Fitch next time they do a London show. If not that then let Bisping fight the loser of Silva/Belfort next.

On the plus side i'm looking foward to seeing Brock fight and I hope he "drinks a Corona and eats a burrito* to celebrate his win over Valasquez. Pretty funny one liner from the champ, who seems to be as disgusted with the marketing of this fight as I am.

[Il Duce]

The best part was the KO of Hardy from Carlos other than that the rest of the fight's were meh but considering that it was a free show instead of PPV i guess it was aight.

[Darkgod]

Only watched the Hardy fight, I searched Wiki early on Saturday for the results. Most of the recent UFC cards have been a waste of my time so I knew better than to watch this. I am also sick of seeing Bisping getting easy fights to pad his record so British fans will still watch and $upport the UFC. Throw Bisping against Marquardt or Fitch next time they do a London show. If not that then let Bisping fight the loser of Silva/Belfort next.

On the plus side i'm looking foward to seeing Brock fight and I hope he "drinks a Corona and eats a burrito* to celebrate his win over Valasquez. Pretty funny one liner from the champ, who seems to be as disgusted with the marketing of this fight as I am.

I agree with you on part with Bisping... but Akiyama was actually favored... I just think it is time that the UFC and their fans realized fighters from Asia do not translate well to American MMA... most aren't trained in wrestling, and those that are trained in Judo don't focus on it, and basically those are the two that help you most in MMA.,.. out of the 5 champions in the UFC 3 are wrestlers and the other two are more BJJ guys....

[steelba]

Shogun is a Muay Thai Guy, so is Anderson Silva :D

[Darkgod]

but they both were bjj guys first