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kellycadaver
10-11-2007, 01:06 PM
Here in Canada, there's recently been a big uproar talking about people's stance on the war and the debate of whether or not "supporting your troops" means you're encouraging the war to continue.

Does anyone have any opinions or has anyone heard about this?

Grendel
10-11-2007, 08:01 PM
Here in Canada, there's recently been a big uproar talking about people's stance on the war and the debate of whether or not "supporting your troops" means you're encouraging the war to continue.

Does anyone have any opinions or has anyone heard about this?It's generally not framed that way here; it's frequently turned the other way, where opposition to the war in Iraq is erroneously equated with negative feelings towards the people in the armed forces.

Luris Blear
10-13-2007, 10:35 AM
From my perspective, it's kind of turned into a mess in the US. I don't think there is a solid comparison between supporting the troops and the war.

Anti-war types have beat their chest over spending too much on the war, not spending enough on armor for the troops, troops treating prisoners like animals, and supporting the troops meaning not putting them at war. I've also watched people on the fringe express ideas such as "Opposing war but supporting the troops is like saying I oppose rape but support the rapist."

Opinion: That much inconsistency is to be expected when the overall goal is opposition instead of creation or problem-solving.

The pro-war side has been more cohesive, if only out of a logical necessity. You can't belittle the troops and expect 100%. This still does not mean that pro-troops mean pro-war, or that the pro-war side has their act together either. If they did then we would have won by now.

I'm only saying that I have seen all combinations in this country. It does seem difficult to assume a person's overall view on the War and Iraq solely on their opinion of the troops.

Duff McCartney
10-14-2007, 12:28 PM
My personal stance is that I do not support any war. Although I do think we spend tons of money on a wasted war...we could be spending it on other places..like Africa.

reaperofthegrim
10-15-2007, 03:35 PM
Eh, I'm just tired of worrying about it to be honest.

JerkyPuck
10-15-2007, 05:22 PM
I think NOT supporting the war is even MORE support for our troops because we want to bring them home asap. They didn't get us into this mess. They are doing their best to get us out of it.

skybrick
10-15-2007, 05:58 PM
I think NOT supporting the war is even MORE support for our troops because we want to bring them home asap. They didn't get us into this mess. They are doing their best to get us out of it.

With a statement like that it really shows your relative lack of knowledge of this subject. The majority of troops say that they want to keep all troops in there so they can finish the job. How would you feel if you were there for five years, and pulled out, they are working so hard for something that they have done for so long. Pulling troops out would be a big disrespect to them. Dont let it be another Vietnam, finish what we start.

JerkyPuck
10-15-2007, 08:44 PM
I dont think you understood the context of what i was saying. They are there because of a mess that they have to and should clean up. We all want them home, but that doesn't mean that is the right thing for right now. BUT we of course want them home asap. Sorry if that was misleading.

Misfit
10-15-2007, 08:56 PM
war sucks, lets party

skybrick
10-15-2007, 09:04 PM
I dont want them home, and most importantly they dont want to come home because its THEIR choice. I still dont see what your saying but I guess we can agree to disagree.

JerkyPuck
10-15-2007, 09:07 PM
I want them to of course finish the job. Of course I do. But I have friends there. And I want those friends back here as soon as humanly possible. If it takes 5 more years then so be it, but I want them home when they are done so I can be with them. I am not disagreeing with you.

WarBeast
10-16-2007, 01:14 PM
It amuses me that right-wing pundits like to say that dissent of the war-party is "getting our troops killed", but isn't also supporting the continuation of a war that has them in harm's way also just as much if not more "getting our troops killed"?

Vampire Lestat
10-17-2007, 07:43 PM
Well...most of the 2003 gang here know how I feel about this "war". So, for those who don't know here where I stand in a nutshell. I don't support war and I especially don't support this war...end of story. (If you want to know more we can get into a huge politcal debate if you wish.)

They did a study on all of the casualties this war has brought to canadian and us troops and did you know that 76% of the casualties have been caused by roadside bombs. That is what makes me even more furious. Eventhough I don't like war and I hate hearing about any casualties during this war I would far rather hear that troops have died in battle and not being blown up by roadside bombs. Is that just me or do other people feel that way?

dr_foreverclear
10-17-2007, 08:57 PM
my stance is the same as it's always been.

waste of life and waste of money.

Mr-Glass
10-17-2007, 09:20 PM
waste of time, life and money.

i dont care though, cause i got my honey.

dead breed
10-19-2007, 06:50 AM
My personal stance is that I do not support any war. Although I do think we spend tons of money on a wasted war...we could be spending it on other places..like Africa.

I agree

killerinme
11-19-2007, 11:54 PM
I've always found it funny that in the build-up to the war I was 13 and I would point out the holes in the evidence and I'd basically be shushed, and now the same people say "They didn't have the whole information" so that's their reason for the flip-flop. I'm the only person I personally know that was against the war back in 2003, and I've stayed consistent. I think we need to start a phased withdrawal, which in itself will probably take around 5 years, and finally get out of this sink hole. Maybe then we can get out of debt with the Chinese.

Misfit
11-20-2007, 07:31 AM
there is always money to fight a war but never money to feed the poor