Saw 4

[DevilsReject Fan]

Haven't seen it yet, but figured I would start a review thread now.

If you see it, please let me know how it was. I am planning on seeing it tomorrow.

[XdrewX]

Saw this movie last night it was awesome I thought. The beginning was probably my favorite scene. Gory as FUCK very nice :D

[skybrick]

I might see it tonight, just might.

[Late For Reality]

I hope it's not as bad as 2 and 3.

[Il Duce]

I'll probably check it out tommorrow around noon or so depends when i get up in the morning though.

[hackerslacker]

ill check it eventually. Why in the hell is every other lionsgate film leaked 3 weeks early and not this one.

[Ieatyourflesh66]

seein it at 4:30 today, let you all know what its like...I hope its good..

[Cataclysm]

ill check it eventually. Why in the hell is every other lionsgate film leaked 3 weeks early and not this one.

Because God hates you and wants to see you suffer.

[hackerslacker]

haha most likely.

[JerkyPuck]

**Very Minor Spoilers**

Pretty solid. The story gets a little more complicated this go around so be prepared to pay attention. Good torture though and decent gore. Don't go in expecting everything to be answered from 3, because it isn't. There will be a Saw 5.

[DevilsReject Fan]

Tell me its better than Saw 3... I absolutly hated Saw 3.

[TacK]

I heard it was pretty good. I'll wait and judge for myself.

[JerkyPuck]

Tell me its better than Saw 3... I absolutly hated Saw 3.

I can tell you it is relatively different than Saw 3. The story is more complicated and it has more to do with the investigators in this one.

[DevilsReject Fan]

Is there stilla twist? Cuz the Saw's are known for their sick twists

[JerkyPuck]

yep, there's twists throughout. And then the big bang at the end just like the others. Not sure if everyone will vibe on it though. I'm on the fence to be honest with ya.

[DevilsReject Fan]

Talked to my friend who just got out of seeing it.. He hated it. Said it was just one big mess. Still going to see it tomorrow, but prepared for the worst... Heard the "major" twist blows

[JerkyPuck]

well, without giving too much away, it may leave you scratching your head. I know I am.

[Wax Zombie]

Excellent movie and it was way gory then part 3.

8/10

[steelba]

Hmmmm.
Part 3 was pretty gory imo.

[Max Payne]

The ending wasnt that great, clever maybe.

Why is it someone always has to help Jigsaw out? Why cant it of just been him and left it at that.

[JerkyPuck]

Hmmmm.
Part 3 was pretty gory imo.

There tends to be more "tests" in this one however.

[K.I.N.G]

I'm seeing it next week, when I get time.

[Bedogsexor]

Seeing it tonight, can't wait.

[cmurdur]

8/10.

[xxsic4slipknotxx]

8/10
The opening scene will please any gore fan! We also get a little more backstory of Jigsaw. It got confusing at times but I thought it was still quite enjoyable!

[cmurdur]

for those who are all confused with the time frame of this movie-SPOILER SAW 4 takes place




during the events of SAW 3

[koolmike]

Should be called "Saw it be IV."

Besides being repetitive, this film's biggest fault is that the development isn't very interesting. These SAW movies are really in essence about appropriate punishment meant to highlight personal faults. The problem is, the film is to impatient to jump forward to the next big torture set piece, there isn't any time to establish anyone's character.

[DevilsReject Fan]

Very enjoyable and way better than Saw 3(Which gets a 4/10 from me)

Saw 4 gets a 8/10. Amazing traps and very enjoyable. The opening scene is AMAZING.

But pay attention, cuz you will get lost easily if you dont!

[JerkyPuck]

Should be called "Saw it be IV."

Besides being repetitive, this film's biggest fault is that the development isn't very interesting. These SAW movies are really in essence about appropriate punishment meant to highlight personal faults. The problem is, the film is to impatient to jump forward to the next big torture set piece, there isn't any time to establish anyone's character.

I agree. They throw so many characters into the piece that not only are you confused, but by the time you realize who they are, they are gone. And there is no time to create a viewer/character bond with them. The one thing I like about the Saw series is that the characters aren't really expendable, and the last 2 have been loaded with set up/punch kinda deaths and it's becoming a little by the numbers for me.

[DeathBanana]

I'm not too eager to watch this one... I'll wait a couple weeks methinks.

[Oravear]

Just got back from it. It's safe to say that the saw franchise is dead. By far the worst of the Saw flicks. Unoriginal in every sense of the word, what a waste of money.

Really surprised people here are giving it an 8 or so. I usually can trust people on UHM.

3/10

[slimeisacharacter]

3/10

Too rushed, negating background on test subjects that is well known in prior Saws and actually allowed the audiance relate with the subjects.

Twists were weak, even guessed at points.

The whole film gave me the 'made another one to cash in on the name' feelings so apparent in many unnecessary sequals. Another Saw would be ill advised, unless they go back to basics that made the first so entertaining.

[Bedogsexor]

Entertaining, but I have a few questions.
by you
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I enjoy all the SAW movies, I really do. This was so exception, I thought it was very entertaining, however I have a few questions....

Did the events in this movie happen at the same time as the previous?

Or were they just flashbacks? I assumed they were just flashbacks.

I could be wrong though.

I suppose if I get my first question answered, I would know the answer to this, but...

The FBI agent shooting the crazed guy who lost his wife (the doctor) in the third. Is it meant to have gone from present to past? Or was this guy trapped in this building for that long?

Overall, I thought it was a good movie. I just need some things cleared up.

Also, this was my first pleasant movie going experience in awhile. You would think with teenagers in the movie, they would be talking. But no, it was a mom and daughter in front of me. They whispered throughout and while it wasn't really distracting, I just wanted to tell the girl if she needed her mom to explain EVERYTHING to her, why see the movie?

[BmovieJosh]

I loved this movie. It was one of my favorite movies so far this year!

[slimeisacharacter]

Did the events in this movie happen at the same time as the previous?

Or were they just flashbacks? I assumed they were just flashbacks.


Scroll up and highlight Cmurdur's post. He answers your question, but typed it in black colored letters to prevent spoiling I suppose.

[mr32]

I just got back from my second screening of it. And i have to say this film stands right where it belongs and was a great installment. This film has all of the elements of the first 3 film which makes it so great. Saw: Mystery, Nail-biting Suspense/Saw 2:Action pacing/Saw 3: Emotion. I give it a B.

[nite_zombie]

Loved the movie. Gory as hell. I really dont see how the mpaa didnt slap this flick with an nc-17 rating. not as good as the first, but slightly better than part 2 and 3 imo.....9/10.

[dts1789]

i'd give it an 8 as well. it was good, not my favourite in the series though.
love the people that give it a shit review and say things like "the series is dead". yeah, right....

[hackerslacker]

from this thread I have made a hypothesis.

Seasoned UHM posters = crap movie
New UHM posters (>200 posts) = movie is better than sex

[FREDDY VORHEES MYERS75 IV]

I HEARD THAT THEY ARE MAKING A SAW 5 & HERE'S MY PLOT FOR IT
PLOT:5 YEARS LATER JIGSAW WAS A GOOD PERSON NOW BUT BUT A GROUP OF PSYCHOS TOOK HIM & HIS FRIENDS WITH REIVALS TOO TO PULL THE GAME ON THEM BUT JIGSAW'S DAUGHTER WAS THERER TOO SO HE GOT A DOOL TO SAVE HIM & HIS 2 FRIENDS WHICH SUVIROED IT SO THEY GOT IN LOVE THEN A NUCLEAR BOMB FELL THE END

[cmurdur]

from this thread I have made a hypothesis.

Seasoned UHM posters = crap movie
New UHM posters (>200 posts) = movie is better than sex

well then I am a variable.

[dr_foreverclear]

:shakehead

[hackerslacker]

please stop yelling at me! Im a very sensitive person. ;)

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[hackerslacker]

wait I think i f'd up the >< sign hahaha. i hate math. I meant <

[Oravear]

from this thread I have made a hypothesis.

Seasoned UHM posters = crap movie
New UHM posters = movie is better than sex

Makes you think about the neighborhood huh?

[JerkyPuck]

I HEARD THAT THEY ARE MAKING A SAW 5 & HERE'S MY PLOT FOR IT
PLOT:5 YEARS LATER JIGSAW WAS A GOOD PERSON NOW BUT BUT A GROUP OF PSYCHOS TOOK HIM & HIS FRIENDS WITH REIVALS TOO TO PULL THE GAME ON THEM BUT JIGSAW'S DAUGHTER WAS THERER TOO SO HE GOT A DOOL TO SAVE HIM & HIS 2 FRIENDS WHICH SUVIROED IT SO THEY GOT IN LOVE THEN A NUCLEAR BOMB FELL THE END

:noob:

[leezel42]

Def worth going to see SawIV it was awesome also I agree, def worth the money to pay in the movie theatre also.
I am sure there will be a SAW V next year also.
Yes also very gross also

Leezel

[Wax Zombie]

I HEARD THAT THEY ARE MAKING A SAW 5 & HERE'S MY PLOT FOR IT
PLOT:5 YEARS LATER JIGSAW WAS A GOOD PERSON NOW BUT BUT A GROUP OF PSYCHOS TOOK HIM & HIS FRIENDS WITH REIVALS TOO TO PULL THE GAME ON THEM BUT JIGSAW'S DAUGHTER WAS THERER TOO SO HE GOT A DOOL TO SAVE HIM & HIS 2 FRIENDS WHICH SUVIROED IT SO THEY GOT IN LOVE THEN A NUCLEAR BOMB FELL THE END

Wow and I thought I have bad grammar. This is worse.

:dsp:

[dj_casinova]

I had an awesome SAW day on the 25th. I drove two hours to this AMC theater because they had a SAW Marathon. Saw 1,2,3 and 4 at midnight all in a row. It was fucking sweet. personally, i went into Saw IV with really low expectations because of the writers. the last movie they wrote together was Feast. While Feast was a fun flick, it was also shitty. This Saw installment was way better than i expected. I talked about the twist, which was not by any means guessable or easy. It's a two part twist really. One part being whos the killer, yeah ok, maybe thats guessable if youre trying, but the timeline of the movie was damn genius.

SPOILER***




















Like Back to the future genius.









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Overall i think this one is the second best of the series. And the gore was amazing. creativeand awesome. Yes a little rushed on some of the characters, but we got to know Jigsaw and the main character Rigg a lot. How many 4th installments can you saw focused on character developement. I feel like i know John Kramer so well hes like my Creepy Uncle Jigsaw. 8/10 Watching it again tonight.

[JerkyPuck]

that's weird because that was my problem with the movie. Lack of character development. The focus was more on Jigsaw's past which I liked, but I also like to know who is being tested and why. They were very quick with those. They were kinda throwaways.....so again, on the fence with this installment.

[dj_casinova]

That is wierd cause i know why they were being tested. they game an explanation on the recorder, pictures on the walls and flashbacks for every character. i wonder how you missed all that. It was no less info that the Razor wire fat guy in saw one. Or Troy the chainman in 3. Besides, i only meant the developement of the characters we care about. Jill, Jigsaw, Rigg, Mathews, and GIDEON. The more i thik about the movie, the more i like it.

[Oravear]

And the gore was amazing. creativeand awesome. 8/10 Watching it again tonight.

The gore was amazing? The crappy cgi blood was horrible. I really can't understand how a real horror fan could enjoy this movie.

[cmurdur]

I really can't understand how a real horror fan could enjoy this movie.

:ahheh:

[ALMOST HUMAN]

The gore was amazing? The crappy cgi blood was horrible. I really can't understand how a real horror fan could enjoy this movie.

I can't understand how anyone can enjoy the Saw movies in general.

Kids today! :lol:

[Treefroggiefreak]

*SPOILERS BELOW*










I think that this movie had the least shocking ending of the three. And it was confusing I thought. I know a lot of people had a problem understanding that most of the events in this movie occurred at the same time as the events in the third. I think a large part of the confusion came from the fact that the actor that played the detective trapped in the trap with Eric and the actor that played the other FBI agent looked very similar. I'm probably going to go see it again just so I can differentiate that.


















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[JerkyPuck]

That is wierd cause i know why they were being tested. they game an explanation on the recorder, pictures on the walls and flashbacks for every character. i wonder how you missed all that. It was no less info that the Razor wire fat guy in saw one. Or Troy the chainman in 3. Besides, i only meant the developement of the characters we care about. Jill, Jigsaw, Rigg, Mathews, and GIDEON. The more i thik about the movie, the more i like it.


SPOILERS
But the original Saw was about 2 main characters....not really about the tests. These tests have become the central focus of these films and that is just a recipe for rehash after rehash. Plus all these characters were basically new. The time frame twist was retarded. I kept wondering the entire time where the Dr.'s husband was and why weren't we looking for his daughter. Just a bad move on their part IMO.

[mr32]

This was a great installment, so the box office estimate for Fri and Sat is $32 mil. Before this IV hit the theater they had already greenlighted V and VI, but wanted to skip a year if this one didnt do well. But from the looks of it, it can match S3 box office success. And the man to helm the next two is Production Designer David Hackel.

[hackerslacker]

my g/fs sis saw this and said "this is better than any saw, even saw 1"
"also, I dont know HOW they would do a Saw 5, they wrapped it up nicely"
"ill never see it again, too graphic"

I just looked at her.

[mr32]

my g/fs sis saw this and said "this is better than any saw, even saw 1"
"also, I dont know HOW they would do a Saw 5, they wrapped it up nicely"
"ill never see it again, too graphic"

I just looked at her.

I was saying the same thing about IV after S3. How can they make a part IV when jigsaw is dead, but they pull it off with IV. They probably already have the story for V and VI.

[JerkyPuck]

my g/fs sis saw this and said "this is better than any saw, even saw 1"
"also, I dont know HOW they would do a Saw 5, they wrapped it up nicely"
"ill never see it again, too graphic"

I just looked at her.

They don't wrap it up. They leave it completely open for a sequel.

[skybrick]

Why is it someone always has to help Jigsaw out? Why cant it of just been him and left it at that.

The games must go on.



I was saying the same thing about IV after S3. How can they make a part IV when jigsaw is dead, but they pull it off with IV. They probably already have the story for V and VI.

The only way I see it is if V and VI are wrapped around each other like III and IV were, but then there wouldn't be a twist.

Id probably give this a 7/10
I didn't get confused at all so that helps. Sloppy at times? most def but I sitll enjoyed it.

[WarBeast]

I HEARD THAT THEY ARE MAKING A SAW 5 & HERE'S MY PLOT FOR IT
PLOT:5 YEARS LATER JIGSAW WAS A GOOD PERSON NOW BUT BUT A GROUP OF PSYCHOS TOOK HIM & HIS FRIENDS WITH REIVALS TOO TO PULL THE GAME ON THEM BUT JIGSAW'S DAUGHTER WAS THERER TOO SO HE GOT A DOOL TO SAVE HIM & HIS 2 FRIENDS WHICH SUVIROED IT SO THEY GOT IN LOVE THEN A NUCLEAR BOMB FELL THE END

It is simply impossible for a person to be this fucking stupid and still be able to breathe, let alone set up an account on this message board... I think this guy is acting retarded on purpose.

[Treefroggiefreak]

It is simply impossible for a person to be this fucking stupid and still be able to breathe, let alone set up an account on this message board... I think this guy is acting retarded on purpose.

One can only pray that someone is acting in that scenario.

[Misfit]

cannibal chainsaw returns

[Leprechaun]

I am very much up in the air on this movie. Some of the plot threw me off, while some of it never really attracted me (Jigsaw's wife). I really felt they should've focused on the character of Rigg for much more of the film. He was the strongest character and strongest actor. I will have to watch this again when it hits DVD. Wasn't too big on the twist though.

[Treefroggiefreak]

I am very much up in the air on this movie. Some of the plot threw me off, while some of it never really attracted me (Jigsaw's wife). I really felt they should've focused on the character of Rigg for much more of the film. He was the strongest character and strongest actor. I will have to watch this again when it hits DVD. Wasn't too big on the twist though.

I dunno. I liked the twist. It gave you the sense that Jigsaw really had all of his grounds covered and wasn't just focused on one thing at a time rather than the big picture.

[FrighT MasteR]

Just caught the flick. Weakest in the series, but still a good movie. Should have a review soon.

[Treefroggiefreak]

Looking forward to your review fright :)

Hopefully you still consider this a must see movie :p hehe I love the entire series.

[FrighT MasteR]

In order to fall under my "Must See" list it has to receive an 8 or 9-rating, which, sad to say, won't be given to this film :dsp:

[FrighT MasteR]

Here it is:

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[Oravear]

damn fright a 7? isnt that a bit high?

[FrighT MasteR]

No

[Treefroggiefreak]

Yeah, I think that review's pretty spot on. I'd still consider the Saw series as a whole must see and therefore, the fourth one is in there lol

[ZION]

Here's a interview with co-screenwriter of Saw IV, V and VI...

Exclusive Interview: Patrick Melton
IGN chats with the co-screenwriter of Saw IV, V and VI and the sequels to Feast.
by Stax
October 31, 2007 - Screenwriter Patrick Melton caught his big break when Feast, a script he co-wrote with writing partner Marcus Dunstan, won the Project Greenlight competition and was produced as a feature film in 2005. IGN Movies recently had the chance to chat with Melton about making the leap to co-writing Saw IV, as well as the next two installments in Lionsgate's hit horror franchise.

IGN: How difficult was it for you and your writing partner Marcus Dunstan to step into an already existing franchise?

Patrick Melton: It was tricky because the Saw films are so serialized. Unlike other horror films, the core characters and story threads span all films, so keeping track of those aspects was a challenge. However, with Darren [Lynn Bousman] still on board directing, in addition to most of the crew, we had a lot of people watching our backs and ensuring that everything tracked.

IGN: Did you feel confined at all by all the pre-established elements that you had to use? Did you ever wish you could have just started with a clean slate?

Melton: Had we started from a clean slate I'm not sure it would have been a Saw film. For me, and many other fans, it's fun to see how the pre-established characters and story threads play out when additional aspects are added to them. At the same time, though, it's a challenge to get in the mindset of the franchise and capture the voices of the pre-established characters. Then again, the core creative team was always there to make sure everything tracked.

IGN: Since Darren Bousman had constructed Saw III to be the last saw film in a way -- he killed off Jigsaw -- how many variations did you guys go through until you found a way to make a Saw IV work? Besides working Jigsaw back into it, what was the biggest narrative challenge you faced?

Melton: Jigsaw was dying in the original Saw, so killing him in III seemed appropriate. However, Saw III ends with a cliffhanger (Jeff's missing daughter), so it clearly wasn't the last film. When Jigsaw died, he proved that he already had games to be played. The swallowed tape was only one of several clues, as we learned in IV. And because we play with time so much in the series, simply because Jigsaw is dead doesn't mean that he can't still be involved. And is it really a Saw movie without Jigsaw?



- Lionsgate

Click for more images from Saw IV.
IGN: How satisfied are you with the finished result? And was there anything in the script that didn't make it into the final film?

Melton: The Saw films are about constant rewriting. From writing to directing to editing, constant rewriting is taking place. There's a lot that was supposed to be in IV that is being pushed to V because there was simply too much story. When Marcus and I were brought in we pitched a trilogy. I enjoy the Saw films because they don't feel episodic and they evolve. The characters and story threads we introduced in IV have an end game that intertwine with the characters and story threads Leigh [Whannell] weaved through the first three films. I really like IV, and I'm excited to get started on V.

IGN: So what exactly can you reveal about Saw V?

Melton: Yes, as stated, Marcus and I are writing V, in addition to VI. We pitched a trilogy early on, and we're continuing the open threads from IV (there are a lot). Additionally, with the final twist in III, we have things to work with from III. Like what ever happened to poor little Corbett (Jeff's daughter)? As usual, the overall story is shrouded in secret, so I can't say anything just yet.

IGN: What can you tell us about the status of the Feast sequels and The Midnight Man?

Melton: Feast 2: Sloppy Seconds and Feast 3: The Happy Finish start shooting back to back in Shreveport, Louisiana on Halloween. John Gulager is at the helm again and the movies are going to be nuts. Blood, gore, and the most unheroic characters to date. No one is safe... not even babies. The Midnight Man, which Marcus is directing, is supposed to shoot after the Feast films. Dimension is our studio and they're looking to start rolling after the New Year -- likely in February. In tone, The Midnight Man is more like Saw than Feast. It's supposed to be a genuine chiller that should scare people into thinking, "Damn, that could happen to me." The world is a scary, scary place... and your own home can be the scariest of all.

[haydonobob]

WHHOOOOO!!!! well, happy Halloween everybody...that means either 365 or 358 days until SAW V!!!! i honestly can already not wait...and i'll learn to stay the hell away from wikipedia this time!! >_< oh, wellz...the movie was awesome...the gore made me smile and the fact that an hour and a half of film made NOTHING HAPPEN IN THE LONG RUN!! all that's new is a couple more people are dead...no overall story progression...HILARIOUS!! haha, well, yeah...BAM!! i'd give it a 7...

[Treefroggiefreak]

WHHOOOOO!!!! well, happy Halloween everybody...that means either 365 or 358 days until SAW V!!!! i honestly can already not wait...and i'll learn to stay the hell away from wikipedia this time!! >_< oh, wellz...the movie was awesome...the gore made me smile and the fact that an hour and a half of film made NOTHING HAPPEN IN THE LONG RUN!! all that's new is a couple more people are dead...no overall story progression...HILARIOUS!! haha, well, yeah...BAM!! i'd give it a 7...

I don't know how you can say there was no story progression because a completely "new" variable was added into the equation/revealed.

[hackerslacker]

WHHOOOOO!!!! well, happy Halloween everybody...that means either 365 or 358 days until SAW V!!!! i honestly can already not wait...and i'll learn to stay the hell away from wikipedia this time!! >_< oh, wellz...the movie was awesome...the gore made me smile and the fact that an hour and a half of film made NOTHING HAPPEN IN THE LONG RUN!! all that's new is a couple more people are dead...no overall story progression...HILARIOUS!! haha, well, yeah...BAM!! i'd give it a 7...

:die:

[pastor_ice43]

Absolutely great movie. As good, if not better then the first. By far the most clever in the series. My only question is....

**SPOILERS**How did Jigsaw get this guy to help him? Was that something I missed or are we to assume it will be revealed in Saw 5?**

[Treefroggiefreak]

Absolutely great movie. As good, if not better then the first. By far the most clever in the series. My only question is....

**SPOILERS**How did Jigsaw get this guy to help him? Was that something I missed or are we to assume it will be revealed in Saw 5?**

For some reason I'm thinking that it was told and I can't remember. But I could be wrong...

[FrighT MasteR]

It wasn't revealed, but it should be in the sequel.

[xxsic4slipknotxx]

I agree with Fright's review, I thought it was good, but not that good. I'm pretty sure more things will be explained in the sequels to come.

[haydonobob]

pardon me, yes there was story progression. i apologize for earlier...but i mean really...the whole time thing...all that's new is


*spoiler!!*













we know that there's a new apprentice, we know Rigg's story, we know what happened to detective matthews and there's no room for speculation, and we know what happened to jeff....






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so really...the only advancement IS that new "variable" and a few more deaths...IMO...oh, wellz...

[K.I.N.G]

I enjoyed it, very much.

[Driden]

movie kicked ass and I'm impressed the games and storyline is still as strong as it is with 4 installments

[Treefroggiefreak]

I just watched Saw 1 - 3 again today because one of my friends had never seen the series and I noticed that Detective Hoffman was in the beginning of Saw 3. I thought he was just a new character added to Saw 4. Wowzers.

[//Neon_Maniac//]

I thought the X-Japan song at the end was amazing.
Anyone know where I can find it?

[ZION]

"SAW" it last night. I enjoyed it, didnt understand why so many people on the board say they got confused at times?? The only problem I had was the ending, I think it could have been better. (Not much of a twist) If your a fan of the series then check it out.

[ASoron0424]

I heard Bouzman say in an interview that the Saw series tries to stay as true to itself as possible, so they use the same cameos in each movie. The SWAT team from every movie is apparently all the same actors, along with a bunch of other extras. I still haven't seen the fourth or the third; didn't like the first one that much but I loved the second.

[Treefroggiefreak]

*SPOILER* for those who may still not have seen it...

























I saw the movie a second time saturday and I noticed something cool. When Hoffman is leaving the police department, Agent Perez (sp?) asks him "Boy or Girl?" referring to the stuffed animal he was holding. Hoffman's reply is "Girl" and he goes on to say he's not married and it's not his and then "It's a short story, I assure you." He's referring to Jeff and Lynn's daughter. I just thought it was really cool watching it the second time to notice hints like that.















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