Horror:PG-13 or R? (which is better)?

[Gamefreakgill]

R no doubt about it Pg-13 is filled with the same Boo and scary ghost crap that has plagued horror since the 90s

[koolmike]

There are great R rated films as well as PG-13 rated films. R tends to have more gore and bad language. Story telling is everything.

[Treefroggiefreak]

There are great R rated films as well as PG-13 rated films. R tends to have more gore and bad language. Story telling is everything.


Exactly. I don't give a crap what the rating is if the story is good.

[WarBeast]

I don't care how good the story is, it's always better when there's blood, guts, gore, tits and ass.... these elements can make a bad movie watchable and good movie even more enjoyable... so I'd say I'm definately for R-rated... though I'd prefer unrated...

[dead breed]

I don't care how good the story is, it's always better when there's blood, guts, gore, tits and ass.... these elements can make a bad movie watchable and good movie even more enjoyable... so I'd say I'm definately for R-rated... though I'd prefer unrated...

I agree 100%

[koolmike]

Warbeast is waiting for Evil Angel studios to put out a horror movie.


www.evilangel.com

[Treefroggiefreak]

I don't care how good the story is

And that is exactly why so many movies that come out these days blow.

[WarBeast]

And that is exactly why so many movies that come out these days blow.

By taking my statement out of context, you missed my point completely.... what I meant was it doesn't matter if the story is utterly mindblowingly fantastic uber-quality oscar-calibur material, having some blood, guts, gore, tits and ass in the movie is just gonna make it even more enjoyable for me.

If a movie has a terrible story, as long as it has the afformentioned attributes, it can save it from being a total and complete waste of my time. "Wow that movie sucked... but at least it showed that redhead's tits, and that guy getting ripped in half was pretty nifty..."

[Cataclysm]

And that is exactly why so many movies that come out these days blow.

Yes, and most of those movies are rated PG-13 aswell.

[Treefroggiefreak]

By taking my statement out of context, you missed my point completely.... what I meant was it doesn't matter if the story is utterly mindblowingly fantastic uber-quality oscar-calibur material, having some blood, guts, gore, tits and ass in the movie is just gonna make it even more enjoyable for me.

If a movie has a terrible story, as long as it has the afformentioned attributes, it can save it from being a total and complete waste of my time. "Wow that movie sucked... but at least it showed that redhead's tits, and that guy getting ripped in half was pretty nifty..."

Oh sorry about that. To me it initially read as though you don't care about a story, you just want to see the afformentioned things.

[ASoron0424]

I think Signs was a great reminder of what can be accomplished with a PG-13 rating, just so long as the filmmaker is talented and has something to bring to the table. And all over-appreciated hype put aside, The Ring is also a pretty good example in the same sense. I think The Sixth Sense doesn't even need to be mentioned. Even if you didn't find any of them scary or even entertaining, I think anyone who really appreciates horror has to be able to see the value of what's in front of them, especially when it's been created under the restrictions of PG-13 rating.

Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to M. Night Shamalyan's first R rated movie this summer; think it's called The Happening.

[WarBeast]

Oh sorry about that. To me it initially read as though you don't care about a story, you just want to see the afformentioned things.

It's all good. :coolbeer:

[Driden]

Here's the problem for me. Companies cut out the death scenes, the blood and gore, sex, foul language basically its edited for children. Why? Because apparently they assume PG13 opens the doors to a larger audience but what these idiots don't understand is you cannot stop kids. They will watch R rated movies and M rated games. Some of the biggest horror movies are R, some of the biggest selling games are 18+.

Every PG13 sucks ass unless it involves suspense, ghosts, or some type of thriller and even then most suck. Slashers, werewolf, vampire or zombies cannot be good under PG13 and the last few years of shit have proved that. People whine about its all about 'story' lol how many horror movies can you name with amazing storylines? hardly. Horror is about 1 thing, to scare not about writing, horror has not been about writing for years, why do you think horror is never up for best picture or any oscar? Horror is about fun, so stop making the genre into something its not and expecting shit you wont ever have anymore

People will say "Why do you have to see the kills? Why do you need the gore and sex? use your imagination" I say, the purpose of a fucking movie is to not imagine shit but see it. movies are a visual experience, I want to see shit, allow me the opportunity to decide what I want to see. In the old days if you didn't want to see bloody shit you know what you did? Close your eyes, and imagine it like a pussy.

Now, as a soceity with a horror genre that's afraid of taking chances, we are forced to be pussies watching movies edited for kids.

think about of your favorite movies.

oh the shotgun scene in Maniac! oh the zombies ripping dude apart in the elevator! oh final destination! Jason hacking people to bits! all visual gore am I right? So if you love this shit so much why are you so convinced it needs to be stopped? Tina being slapped around the walls in blood. Hellraiser torturing people with fishhooks and ripping flesh off. oh yeah, maybe I'm wrong all the best horror was PG13.

Can you name 1 amazing scene in a PG13 horror movie?

[Toxic Voorhees]

:appl:

[Treefroggiefreak]

Can you name 1 amazing scene in a PG13 horror movie?

The opening cheerleading dance sequence of the Buffy movie...Wait...nvm. :nono:

[Toxic Voorhees]

I thought the beginning to Boogeyman was pretty nifty. Too bad the rest of the movie couldn't be a quarter as good as the first few minutes.

[Metapher]

Can you name 1 amazing scene in a PG13 horror movie?

Well I probably could if I tried. I love gore, sex, bad language. The more of them all, the better, but I'm not gonna deny that there might be good PG-13 movies out there that are done really great.

[steelba]

There are great R rated films as well as PG-13 rated films. R tends to have more gore and bad language. Story telling is everything.
Would you have liked Dawn of the Dead as much if it was a PG flick?

R horror for me all the way.

[BooBerry]

Can you name 1 amazing scene in a PG13 horror movie?

I'd say those are your favorite movie scenes.

Signs - Alien Video from Brazil
The Sixth Sense - Ghost girl under the bed.
Poltergeist - Creepy all over.
The Ring, It, and The Others had some pretty eerie scenes as well.

Gore doesn't equal a good horror movies. All it does is make me go, "eww gross" inside my head. A chilling scene will stay with me for a while.

[Joker]

I prefer an R rating being a fan 80's Horror with their cheesy gore and nudity.

The Changeling is the only PG movie I can think of that I really liked.
What was Fright Night rated?

[skybrick]

Most of the older PG movies would be R now... Jaws Poltergeist The Changeling ect...

[steelba]

I prefer an R rating being a fan 80's Horror with their cheesy gore and nudity.

The Changeling is the only PG movie I can think of that I really liked.
What was Fright Night rated?
Fright Night was rated R.
Agreed on 80's horror. But the Changeling sucked imo...

[ASoron0424]

I'd say those are your favorite movie scenes.

Signs - Alien Video from Brazil
The Sixth Sense - Ghost girl under the bed.
Poltergeist - Creepy all over.
The Ring, It, and The Others had some pretty eerie scenes as well.

Gore doesn't equal a good horror movies. All it does is make me go, "eww gross" inside my head. A chilling scene will stay with me for a while.

:coolbeer:

[ASoron0424]

I heard that if there'd been a PG-13 rating in the 70s that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre woudl've gotten it, and that Tobe Hooper went to great lengths to make the movie in a way that would earn it a PG rating.

[steelba]

The TCM had no gore whatsoever in it.
I can't even remember any cussing in it.
Overrated flick but it's decent.

[holdmycock]

I'd say those are your favorite movie scenes.

Signs - Alien Video from Brazil
The Sixth Sense - Ghost girl under the bed.
Poltergeist - Creepy all over.
The Ring, It, and The Others had some pretty eerie scenes as well.

Gore doesn't equal a good horror movies. All it does is make me go, "eww gross" inside my head. A chilling scene will stay with me for a while.

IT is the perfect example of a good horror movie - that's got a PG rating. They show it on ABC Family for christ's sake! And they leave in all the weird/blood bath/creepy clown scenes.

What I don't get, is why everyone is assuming that the R rated horror movie can't have a good story too? Sure, PG-13 can fit one in better, but I think there's a ton of good examples of R rated horror flicks that have a really good story in them, a long with throwing in tits/ass and people being sawed into tiny pieces or whatever.

Best scene in a PG-13 horror flick: Gremlins 2, with the old guy wrestling the cement covered gremlin bat.

[BooBerry]

I think all ratings can have a good story. High Tension, The Descent, there are tons of examples for both sides of this arguement.

On a side note, I am pretty interested that The Mist is rated R. I'm checking it out for sure.

[//Neon_Maniac//]

Both can be amazing.

The Ring and The Grudge are two good examples of great PG13 movies
The Gate was PG. I thought that it was a fun watch.
Jaws was PG
Same with Poltergeist
A Movies Rating has no effect on how good it can be. There are plenty of awesome pg13 movies.

[K.I.N.G]

R for me, PG blows.

[ASoron0424]

Both can be amazing.

The Ring and The Grudge are two good examples of great PG13 movies
The Gate was PG. I thought that it was a fun watch.
Jaws was PG
Same with Poltergeist
A Movies Rating has no effect on how good it can be. There are plenty of awesome pg13 movies.

I think The Grudge was one of the worst movies ever made.

[koolmike]

Would you have liked Dawn of the Dead as much if it was a PG flick?

R horror for me all the way.

Never said anything like that dopey.

I just said that there are great films within both ratings and I'm undecided.

[GonzoWeirdness]

Here's the problem for me. Companies cut out the death scenes, the blood and gore, sex, foul language basically its edited for children. Why? Because apparently they assume PG13 opens the doors to a larger audience but what these idiots don't understand is you cannot stop kids. They will watch R rated movies and M rated games. Some of the biggest horror movies are R, some of the biggest selling games are 18+.

I concede on that point.

People whine about its all about 'story' lol how many horror movies can you name with amazing storylines? hardly.

Actually, a lot of horror movies have more meaning/intelligence than you're giving credit for here including the R rated ones like The Hills Have Eyes '77 and Dawn of the Dead '78.

Horror is about 1 thing, to scare not about writing, horror has not been about writing for years, why do you think horror is never up for best picture or any oscar?

Firstly the reason horror is never up for an Oscar or Best Picture is because they're not high-brow enough for a bunch of critics and snobs. And in order for horror to work the writer needs to create suspense so horror is about writing. But what do I know I'm just someone that watches the whole gambit of horror movies rather than limiting myself to 80's slashers flicks.


Now, as a soceity with a horror genre that's afraid of taking chances, we are forced to be pussies watching movies edited for kids.

Dispite majorly disagreeing with you to some extent througout your little rant I can concede on this. I'm not against R rated horror flicks, but a good story can add make a good horror movie great.

think about of your favorite movies.

oh the shotgun scene in Maniac! oh the zombies ripping dude apart in the elevator! oh final destination! Jason hacking people to bits! all visual gore am I right? So if you love this shit so much why are you so convinced it needs to be stopped? Tina being slapped around the walls in blood. Hellraiser torturing people with fishhooks and ripping flesh off. oh yeah, maybe I'm wrong all the best horror was PG13.

You're really more of a gorehound/slasher fan than a horror movie fan. I don't mean that to be a jerk, but the horror genre is much bigger than the movies you mentioned. The genre encompasses something much larger than what you present here. I enjoy slasher movies and the like as much as the next person, but I also am able to watch other subgenres encompassing the horror genre. I don't mean this as a knock, but you are more of a gorehound/slasher fan as I stated earlier. Or at least that's what it sounds like. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Can you name 1 amazing scene in a PG13 horror movie?

I won't name specific scenes, but I thought The Abominable Dr. Phibes and its sequel were pretty enjoyable.

[FreddyFreakChica17]

I think The Grudge was one of the worst movies ever made.

Agreed. :coolbeer:

[steelba]

Never said anything like that dopey.

Never accused you of it genius. Was simply asking a question :2far:

[Toby]

R rated Horror films are my anti-drug, baby. PG-13 doesn't cut it for me, I rather go for the story and have tons of blood and gore and so much stuff you couldn't really put into a PG-13 flick.

GORE!!!!!!!!

[steelba]

:lol:

Gore is sweet.

[Driden]

I think all ratings can have a good story. High Tension.

A lot of people loved High Tension for the mood it set BUT the story sucked to many horror fans. The plot twist thing they used is played out and ruined a perfect would be slasher

@GonzoWeirdness
a lot of horror movies have more meaning/intelligence than you're giving credit for here including the R rated ones like The Hills Have Eyes '77 and Dawn of the Dead '78.



Bare in mind did I not say this

horror has not been about writing for years,

1977 is how long ago? 1978 is how long ago? I don't get where you assume I'm not giving credit to old classics

[slimeisacharacter]

PG-13 vs R boils down to planning in my eyes.

If the heads behind the movie go in thinking "PG-13" and design everything from the ground up around that rating; script, effects, locations, ect... then the movie has a chance to be entertaining, like the forementioned Signs for example. If you take an R rate script or a script written without a rating in mind and try to PG-13 it down, you get crap. Base material usage does a great deal of the damage to a flim before the first mention of the words "QUIET ON THE SET!"

[steelba]

R rules baby!!

[Scaremonger]

If a horror movie winds up being G rated, and that's just the way it turned out, not due to any 'for purpose of ratings' editing, and I find it entertaining in an escapism way, that's good enough for me. I don't think I've looked for a movie simply for seeing decapitations, blood, and limbs flying all over the place, in 20 years. None of that was why horror movies intrigued me in the first place. I was a monster kid that got excited when 'I was a Teenage Werewolf' was on late at night. That really hasn't changed.

[choptop2]

Maybe you've just got a thing for Michael Landon?? :D

Story and entertainment are important to me. Doesn't matter what the rating is.

[pastor_ice43]

It really does just all depend...

Does a horror film have to be gory to be good? Absolutely not...the original Halloween is a prime example of that, (even though it was rated R)..but can it make some movies better? Sure. If I go to see a Zombie movie...the last thing I want to notice before I sit down is that it's rated PG-13, because in a zombie movie...gore is a MUST. EVERY zombie movie should have Romero style gore. However, certain movies that are going to follow the Halloween formula of suspense rather then blood and guts can skate by with a PG-13 rating and still be good. In any event, I personally just wish the MPAA would require all horror movies to be rated R. This would keep some (not all) but some of the little kiddies out that ruin it for the rest of us...plus, this would allow the film makers to have the freedom to do what they want without having to worry about trimming up the film. I don't believe horror NEEDS blood and guts (all the time..sometimes it does..) but I do agree with WarBeast that a touch of nudity can only help a movie be good. The proper rating extends outside the horror genre....Live Free or Die Hard should have been R just like the other three...and thank god Stallone is sticking to his "guns" and creating John Rambo for an R rating.

[pastor_ice43]

.

Best scene in a PG-13 horror flick: Gremlins 2, with the old guy wrestling the cement covered gremlin bat.

Gremlins 2 was comedy my man.

[slimeisacharacter]

Gremlins 2 was comedy my man.

Depends on who you ask. Many places label it as horror, Comcast's Fearnet service a prime example of poorly marked 'horor' films with gremlins movies...heck even hocus pocus marked as 'horror'...

[steelba]

Gremlins 2 is a comedy.

[slimeisacharacter]

Not disagreeing myself, then again I think alot of flims are mislabeled cause some idiot read the back of the box and saw the words witch, monster, ect and said HORROR! without seeing the flick... Fact remains, gremlins is listed as horror on several sites...including fearnet. I still laugh my ass off every time I see 'the Craft' in movie store horror sections. :dsp::shakehead

[Godfatha]

If a movie can be effective with a PG rating, then I don't care.
A movie like Jaws which is PG is much more effective, infinitely so, than a movie like Hostel, which is R, but by no means effective as a scary film.

Some subgenres wouldn't work, like a zombie film, others it doesn't really matter to me

[steelba]

Jaws would get an R today, because of the Gore and Terror throughout.

[slimeisacharacter]

Jaws would get an R today, because of the Gore and Terror throughout.

I miss the relaxed rating system of days gone by...:mecry:

[ASoron0424]

I miss the relaxed rating system of days gone by...:mecry:

I miss the days of giving movies a fair rating in accordance to content and not just pre-set standards. The whole, more-than-one-"fuck"-and-it's-R rule is bullshit. On Ebert and Roeper they were talking about how that movie "Once" is one of those movies that, after seeing it, any teenager will pretty much be a better person, and then encouraged young teens to sneak in. Films should be evaluated and rated in accordance to their purpose and their potential impact. You should see the documentary This Film Has Not Yet Been Rated about the MPAA, all of the raters are just working class parents. The people rating these movies shouldn't be the ones who go home to a five year old every day and therefore freak out about some other five year old seeing boobs, so instead of a PG-13, they give it an R rating. Titanic and Across The Universe got away w/ nudity, but only because it's used in an art form. Fuck the MPAA, I hate this shit. ONLY buy Unrated DVDs.
Maybe the people rating these movies should have some idea of film in general and know what the fuck they're doing before they absent-mindedly forbid probably 40% of the movie's potential audience from seeing it.

[slimeisacharacter]

Aye, I keep up on the subject. Last 20 years or so the people that rate films seem to be the same people that classify films into genre. They see the words 'sex scene', no matter how many times or content and boom: autorated. They see the word witch and boom: labeled horror. Pathetic...

[ASoron0424]

Can't say I've seen an R rated witch movie in a while.

[Late For Reality]

Has there been any good witch horror movies?

[holdmycock]

Gremlins 2 is a comedy.

Gremlins 2 is of the super genre Comedy/Horror.

[hackerslacker]

very interesting handle....hold my cock...

[Chief Falling Rock]

Gore, sex and bad language are rated R. Not good storytelling. Certain movies like say slasher flicks and werewolf movies need an R rating. And I do hate when something gets watered down from what it should be just to get the PG-13. But just because its not R doesnt mean its going to suck.

[choptop2]

Has there been any good witch horror movies?

horror hotel

[Late For Reality]

horror hotel


The 1960 film that's getting a 2008 remake?

[choptop2]

The 1960 film that's getting a 2008 remake?

didn't know about a remake, but yes.

[Late For Reality]

According to IMDB, the remake will be released next year.

[GonzoWeirdness]

Lloyd Kaufman (yes, the guy from Troma) has some good insight into the MPAA in his book Make Your Own Damn Movie if I remember correctly. I believe he recounts how they (MPAA) wouldn't give a Troma movie a R rating because it had squibs in it. Lloyd then points out that a movie like Die Hard can have tons of squibs in it and still get a R rating.

Then again Lloyd is a little bit crazy so who knows if his word means anything.

[choptop2]

You're talking about troma's war. It wasn't squibs. Every action movie uses squibs.

There's a shot of a of man getting a bullet to the stomach, and he has a peach in his mouth. They suggested cutting this scene to maintain an R rating. According to the MPAA you can't mix food and violence.

[Cataclysm]

You're talking about troma's war. It wasn't squibs. Every action movie uses squibs.

There's a shot of a of man getting a bullet to the stomach, and he has a peach in his mouth. They suggested cutting this scene to maintain an R rating. According to the MPAA you can't mix food and violence.

Do random acts of violence against food count aswell?

[ASoron0424]

You're talking about troma's war. It wasn't squibs. Every action movie uses squibs.

There's a shot of a of man getting a bullet to the stomach, and he has a peach in his mouth. They suggested cutting this scene to maintain an R rating. According to the MPAA you can't mix food and violence.

lol, goofy cunts.

[Darkgod]

I think Signs was a great reminder of what can be accomplished with a PG-13 rating, just so long as the filmmaker is talented and has something to bring to the table. And all over-appreciated hype put aside, The Ring is also a pretty good example in the same sense. I think The Sixth Sense doesn't even need to be mentioned. Even if you didn't find any of them scary or even entertaining, I think anyone who really appreciates horror has to be able to see the value of what's in front of them, especially when it's been created under the restrictions of PG-13 rating.

Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to M. Night Shamalyan's first R rated movie this summer; think it's called The Happening.

M. Nights sucks. His best movie was Sturt Little.

Anyway. I prefer horror as rated r, but sometimes there are gems in a pg13 movie. I think it depends on the type of scare, and type of film. A zombie movie better be rated r. I wanna see blood .ripping skin. intestine eating and so forth. A movie about ghosts can get away with a pg13 though

[ASoron0424]

I think M. Night's one of the most talented horror movie makers today. He's able to work in all of the traditional ideas of how to go about a horror movie; never showing the monster, tricks with the lighting, etc. He even takes the time to throw in symbolism - which the horror genre may not really be so ideal for, but it's always good to have and look back on in a second or third viewing.

The thing to admire about him is that he's meticulous. The ratio of good movies to bad ones, more than any other genre, really works against it. It seems like a lot of the best horror movies recently, you can tell the director and writers were like, "Let's just get to work on making a really great horror movie," and they go from there. M. Night makes just makes great overall movies that happen to be horror.

[Darkgod]

No M Night makes a movie that has to have some big twist at the end, and also get his face somone where in the flick. Symbolism aside, and mind you CLASSIC horror has symbolism more then M.Night. He is a one hit wonder, and based on that was aloud to make other movies, which all are terrible. Unbreakable, Village and Lady in the water or whatever it was are horrible flicks. Signs was good, and had good elements. And sixth sense was a good movie but not horror.

[pastor_ice43]

Not disagreeing myself, then again I think alot of flims are mislabeled cause some idiot read the back of the box and saw the words witch, monster, ect and said HORROR! without seeing the flick... Fact remains, gremlins is listed as horror on several sites...including fearnet. I still laugh my ass off every time I see 'the Craft' in movie store horror sections. :dsp::shakehead

Well regardless of what certain places "label" a movie...the original genre it's creators intended is what it is...Both Gremlins are comedies, as well as Hocus Pocus. You should send some e-mails and set em straight:D

[pastor_ice43]

Gremlins 2 is of the super genre Comedy/Horror.

No...Evil Dead 2 falls into that....Gremlins always has been intended as a comedy.

[pastor_ice43]

No M Night makes a movie that has to have some big twist at the end, and also get his face somone where in the flick. Symbolism aside, and mind you CLASSIC horror has symbolism more then M.Night. He is a one hit wonder, and based on that was aloud to make other movies, which all are terrible. Unbreakable, Village and Lady in the water or whatever it was are horrible flicks. Signs was good, and had good elements. And sixth sense was a good movie but not horror.

The only 2 good M. Night movies are Unbreakable and The Villiage. The twist in the Villiage alone makes it awesome...NO ONE saw that coming.

[Darkgod]

The twist made it horrible. And Gremlins though a comedy was intended to be a bit of a horror movie. Joe Dante himself told Roger Corman he was out to make a horror movie right before he made gremlins.

[choptop2]

No...Evil Dead 2 falls into that....Gremlins always has been intended as a comedy.

Gremlins set out to be horror and comedy.

Reptilian creatures destroying a small town and terrorizing its citizens (Horror) Reptilian creatures on a destructive rampage that take time out to enjoy Snow White (comedy).