Mike Huckabee: Constitution Should Be Amended To Be In Line With "God's Standards"

[Grendel]

Huck, the Constitution and 'God's standards'

From NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy

WARREN, Mich. -- Huckabee's closing argument to voters here this evening featured a few new stories and two prolonged sections on illegal immigration and Christian values.

These two topics usually feature prominently in Huckabee's stump speech, but last night he got specific, promising to build a border fence within 18 months if elected and elaborating on his belief that the constitution needs to be amended.

"[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it's a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards," Huckabee said, referring to the need for a constitutional human life amendment and an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

Huckabee often refers to the need to amend the constitution on these grounds, but he has never so specifically called for the Constitution to be brought within "God's standards," which are themselves debated amongst religious scholars. As a closing statement he asked the room of nearly 500 supporters to "pray and then work hard, and in that order," to help him secure a victory in Tuesday's GOP primary.Wow.

Not sure how well that's going to play in a general election, especially with ol' Huck rubbing shoulders with folks (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) whose interpretation of "god's standards" are even narrower (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) than you might think.

[Oravear]

well thats it for him. I guess he was referring to gay marriage?

[Luris Blear]

Yeah. Huckabee vs Romney. Looks like the Republicans did the same for '08 that the Democrats did for '04. As in, "who are these clowns?"

If I had to choose between God's law and Marx's, then sure -- God can have 10%. That's a bargain, overall. I'd just as soon live under American law.

And on that note, the Constitution explicitly did not want to live up to God's standards. That was always supposed to be God's job.

[RIP]

Clearly Huck was playing to the pro-lifers, homophobes, and most of all the evangelicals. He has no chance to win the nomination because he just doesn't draw enough support outside of the evangelical one. A statement like this might be appealing to a few voters out there, but in a general election, this kind of talk makes no sense. It's a Romney/McCain race for the GOP nomination.

The GOP race is a strange one. It's clearly a party in dissaray. Romney cleaned house in Michigan today. McCain will be feeling this one for sure. Giuliani managed to get 3% of the vote, and yet because of the state of the republican party right now...he's somehow in it if barely.

Romney will have trouble in the south.
McCain has problems within his own party.
Huckabee can't do much outside of the evangelicals.
Thompson is a cold fish. He'll be gone shortly after South Carolina.
Paul has no chance to win his party's nomination. But I'm glad he's there.
Giuliani is a complete joke who can't seem to get it together.
Hunter isn't worth mentioning.

The wildcard for the GOP will be if Bloomberg enters the race. He might take away some of the edge that the democratic party clearly has.

[Aurone]

Once again, Christian Tyrany at it's best. Stuff like this is why I'm now Ex-Christian. Seems Huck and Hill can't keep there mouth shut on sore subjects.

[Grendel]

The GOP race is a strange one. It's clearly a party in dissaray. Romney cleaned house in Michigan today. McCain will be feeling this one for sure.Saw an AP op-ed that just eviscerated Romney over his pandering, "Big Auto Shall Rise Again" performance here.
ON DEADLINE: Mitt Won, Authenticity Lost

By RON FOURNIER
Associated Press Writer Tue Jan 15

WASHINGTON - Mitt Romney's victory in Michigan was a defeat for authenticity in politics.

The former Massachusetts governor pandered to voters, distorted his opponents' record and continued to show why he's the most malleable — and least credible — major presidential candidate.

And it worked.

The man who spoke hard truths to Michigan lost. Of all the reasons John McCain deserved a better result Tuesday night, his gamble on the economy stands out. The Arizona senator had the temerity to tell voters that a candidate who says traditional auto manufacturing jobs "are coming back is either naive or is not talking straight with the people of Michigan and America."

Instead of pandering, McCain said political leaders must "embrace green technologies," adding: "That's the future. That's what we want."

Romney jumped all over McCain, playing to the fears of voters in a state with the nation's highest unemployment rate. "I've heard people say that the auto jobs are gone and they're never coming back," Romney told his audiences. "Well, baloney, I'm going to fight for every single good job."

Of course, he'd fight for every job. So would McCain, or any future president. But how?

Judging by the brief campaign in Michigan, one candidate would flail away at the problem with empty rhetoric while the other would ask Americans to come to grips with the harsh realities of global competition, a tech-based economy and the urgent need to retrain a generation of workers.

Those aren't easy things for a politicians to say, but the truth is, the days are gone in Michigan and elsewhere when a high school graduate could land a factory job and count on a comfortable, stable middle-class life: a nice home, two cars, college tuition, health insurance and a pension.

Romney didn't talk about any of that.

Instead, he told voters what he thought they wanted to hear.

"I'm not open to a bailout, but I am open to a workout," Romney said of the auto industry, even as he vowed to spend $20 billion over five years for research on energy, fuels, automotive technology and material sciences. How many Michigan voters mistook that that for a multibillion-dollar bailout pledge?

Romney also said he wanted to modify a recently passed measure calling for U.S. vehicle fleets to average 35 miles per gallon by 2020. Well, baloney. Less than three years ago, Romney seemed to champion higher automobile standards. "Almost everything in America has gotten more efficient in the last decade, except the fuel economy of the vehicles we drive," he said in September 2005.

As is often the case with Romney, he has changed his tone, if not his mind.

This is a man who campaigned for governor of Democratic stronghold Massachusetts as a supporter of abortion rights, gay rights and gun control — only to switch sides on those and other issues in time for the GOP presidential race. The first thing he did as a presidential contender in January was sign the same no-tax pledge an aide dismissed as "government by gimmickry" during the 2002 campaign.

He was a political independent who voted for Democrat Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Massachusetts presidential primary; now he is a Reagan conservative. He was for embryonic stem cell research; now he favors restrictions on it.

Here's the puzzling part: Romney is a smart man who succeeded in both business and politics, by all accounts a solid family man who won over Democrats and independents in Massachusetts with his breezy charm and political moderation. He tackled one of the nation's most vexing issues — the cost and accessibility of health care — and helped devise a system in Massachusetts that requires both personal responsibility and government empathy.

Rather than running on his record as a can-do pragmatist in an era of government incompetence, Romney listened to advisers who said there was a tactical advantage in turning himself into the field's social conservative.

Their reasoning: Evangelicals and Republicans who put social issues atop their list had found McCain and Rudy Giuliani, the two early front-runners, unpalatable, so there was room to run on the right.

Now he's won Wyoming and Michigan and leads in the delegate count. Does pandering pay?

Exit polls suggest that Romney won among Michigan voters who cited the economy as their top issue and who said they were falling behind financially. McCain overwhelmingly won among voters who said they were looking for an authentic candidate, but the most-cited candidate quality was "shares my values," and Romney led among those voters.

But don't read too much into the results in Michigan, where a number of factors — starting with low turnout among independents — played to Romney's favor. And don't assume McCain is above it all; he shamelessly courted social conservatives last year and has vastly overstated progress in Iraq. In fact, all leaders pander, but Romney is taking the tactic to new heights.

This still looks to be an authenticity election. First, voters are tired of being spun by politicians who aren't getting their jobs done. From the Vietnam War and Watergate to the Iraq war and Katrina, politicians have failed the people they presume to lead, and often lied about it to boot.

Second, the Internet and other technological advances make it nearly impossible to hide a miscue or a shift of position. Can a candidate like Romney win in the YouTube era? Sure. He just did.

But to go all the way, Romney must overcome the original sin of his campaign — his choice to do whatever it takes to be president. The smart money says he can't.

[Luris Blear]

It's a no-win situation, really. A lot of the solutions for making the US auto industry competitive again don't go over all that well either.

[RIP]

Not to open up a can of worms here, but now we've got "nice guy" huckabee playing the homos = beastiality card. I'm certain he's playing to his evangelical southern base here, but I can't help wondering if he'd be brave enough to float this kind of hateful shit in the general election.

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WASHINGTON (CNN) — Republican Mike Huckabee is taking heat from some members of the gay community over recent comments that appeared to equate gay marriage with bestiality.

In an interview with the religious Web site beliefnet.com, Huckabee pushes back on recent critics who have called some of his positions "radical."

"I think the radical view is to say that we're going to change the definition of marriage so that it can mean two men, two women, a man and three women, a man and a child, a man and animal," he said in the interview, published on the Web site Wednesday. "Again, once we change the definition, the door is open to change it again."

David Smith of the Human Rights campaign told CNN Huckabee's comments make clear the former Arkansas governor stance is "out of the mainstream of American thought."

"I think he's equating a loving marriage between two people of the same sex with some form of bestiality," he said. " I think that's really out of the mainstream of American thought, and most people will find that offensive."

Huckabee has previously come under fire for past comments on homosexuality. In his 1998 book "Kids Who Kill," the onetime Baptist minister seemed to link homosexuality with sexually deviant and criminal behavior.

"It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations — from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia," he wrote.

Responding to that passage, Huckabee said on ‘Meet the Press’ last month he was not linking the three, but rather pointing out all are deviations from the "traditional concept of sexual behavior."

Huckabee’s campaign did not respond to a CNN request for comment.

[Grendel]

Not to open up a can of worms here, but now we've got "nice guy" huckabee playing the homos = beastiality card.Taking a page from the Santorum playbook. Very nice. Well if that guy's political fortunes are any indication, we know how well that'll play.

[Searcher]

huck is a lost cause, and he knows it. So he knows he can say anything he wants. It's obvious that the race is between McCain and Romney.
Not that it matters, Obama and Clinton are unstopable. It looks to me like they're both keeping the option of naming the other vp open.

[Grendel]

Not that it matters, Obama and Clinton are unstopable.Take nothing for granted. No matter what people may say to pollsters, it all comes down to what lever they're actually willing to pull once they step behind that curtain (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.).

[WarBeast]

Not to open up a can of worms here, but now we've got "nice guy" huckabee playing the homos = beastiality card. I'm certain he's playing to his evangelical southern base here, but I can't help wondering if he'd be brave enough to float this kind of hateful shit in the general election.

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WASHINGTON (CNN) — Republican Mike Huckabee is taking heat from some members of the gay community over recent comments that appeared to equate gay marriage with bestiality.

In an interview with the religious Web site beliefnet.com, Huckabee pushes back on recent critics who have called some of his positions "radical."

"I think the radical view is to say that we're going to change the definition of marriage so that it can mean two men, two women, a man and three women, a man and a child, a man and animal," he said in the interview, published on the Web site Wednesday. "Again, once we change the definition, the door is open to change it again."

David Smith of the Human Rights campaign told CNN Huckabee's comments make clear the former Arkansas governor stance is "out of the mainstream of American thought."

"I think he's equating a loving marriage between two people of the same sex with some form of bestiality," he said. " I think that's really out of the mainstream of American thought, and most people will find that offensive."

Huckabee has previously come under fire for past comments on homosexuality. In his 1998 book "Kids Who Kill," the onetime Baptist minister seemed to link homosexuality with sexually deviant and criminal behavior.

"It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations — from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia," he wrote.

Responding to that passage, Huckabee said on ‘Meet the Press’ last month he was not linking the three, but rather pointing out all are deviations from the "traditional concept of sexual behavior."

Huckabee’s campaign did not respond to a CNN request for comment.

I wonder if the "man and three women" remark was a very subtle poke at the mormon he's running against....

[Detective John Kimble]

Heres what we know about the candidates as it stands now IMO of course.

Republicans

Jack Thompson - stick to acting cuz he cant conjure enough support for an autograph session.

Rudy Guliani - passionate but way overrated based off of an event 7 years ago now. Nevertheless, probably the best candidate this side has to offer.

Mike Huckabee - neo nazi piece o shit who doesnt have a nickles chance in getting in.

John McCain - too much of a chicken shit and lies worse than the rest of his field.

Mit Romney - another whackjob of a different kind and no personality.

In the end, Guliani should get in by default.

Democrats

Hilary vs. Obama

Hiliary - running off the name Clinton will only get you so far when you're as vulnerable and weak as she is.

Obama - most passionate candidate on either side of the line. Will probably do a good job of cleaning up the streets and providing some fresh air.

In the end.

Guliani vs. Obama is my prediction.

Guliani will win by default though if that is the final card.

[Darkgod]

Im strictly Democrat but Ron Paul says some good things.

[WarBeast]

Heres what we know about the candidates as it stands now IMO of course.

Republicans

Jack Thompson - stick to acting cuz he cant conjure enough support for an autograph session.

Rudy Guliani - passionate but way overrated based off of an event 7 years ago now. Nevertheless, probably the best candidate this side has to offer.

Mike Huckabee - neo nazi piece o shit who doesnt have a nickles chance in getting in.

John McCain - too much of a chicken shit and lies worse than the rest of his field.

Mit Romney - another whackjob of a different kind and no personality.

In the end, Guliani should get in by default.

Democrats

Hilary vs. Obama

Hiliary - running off the name Clinton will only get you so far when you're as vulnerable and weak as she is.

Obama - most passionate candidate on either side of the line. Will probably do a good job of cleaning up the streets and providing some fresh air.

In the end.

Guliani vs. Obama is my prediction.

Guliani will win by default though if that is the final card.

If you have the slightest hope of your opinion being taken seriously in Current Events, at least have the sense to make sure you have the candidate's names correct...

Not to mention, this has to be some of the most asinine political analysis that I've ever seen...

Jack Thompson indeed...
:shakehead

[Detective John Kimble]

If you have the slightest hope of your opinion being taken seriously in Current Events, at least have the sense to make sure you have the candidate's names correct...

Not to mention, this has to be some of the worst political analysis that I've ever seen...

Jack Thompson indeed...
:shakehead

Your correct.

Dunno why I said Jack.

But anyway, I think its close.

But the republican field is so weak yet if Obama gets the nod it wont matter cuz hes black and I aint black but theres no way he gets in IMO even against Rudy.

[toxicangel19]

Once again, Christian Tyrany at it's best. Stuff like this is why I'm now Ex-Christian. Seems Huck and Hill can't keep there mouth shut on sore subjects.


It's people who ruin a religon not the religon itself. good examples of this are those people whom are protesting soldiers funerals because they think that we are being punished for having gays in the community.

as a christian i do not support huck's view because like most people know on this board about me im not a hater of the homosexual community and i believe church and state should be seperate. I try to spread the true word of love not hate. even though the bible says its wrong God never said to hate people for it or treat them differently.

[JerkyPuck]

Us gays......messin with people's minds again....and all we're doing is sitting here watching. I hate that they try so hard to use us....and it never really works.

[Luris Blear]

I don't know, Jerky. It seems that Senators Craig and Foley have successfully "used" gays in the past. :sex:

[Grendel]

In the end, Guliani should get in by default...

Guliani vs. Obama is my prediction.

Guliani will win by default though if that is the final card.Have you seen Giuliani's numbers (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.), lately? Among the GOPers, he's looking just godawful outside of NY and NJ. Also, he's in some serious (To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.) fundraising trouble. While he's in ok shape compared to his GOP rivals, Obama has a more than 2:1 advantage in cash on hand over Mayor 9/11 and Hillary's is more than 3:1.

[Luris Blear]

The money that Hillary and Obama have raised to secure a better government job makes a person wonder why they want the government owning more of the money.

The Governor of Texas has done nothing of any note in the past few months except endorsing Rudy. It apparently is not doing much good here either. Sadly, I think Rudy's supporters are doing a better job of endorsing him than he is endorsing himself. It's just as well that no one wants a President who can't stand on his own two feet.

Especially not since we apparently want a President who will stop us from standing on our own two feet anyway.

[JerkyPuck]

I don't know, Jerky. It seems that Senators Craig and Foley have successfully "used" gays in the past. :sex:

I know...I couldn't believe people found out about me and Sen. Craig. I was just trying to poop.

[RIP]

If Giuliani doesn't pickup a win in florida...it's hard to see him staying in the race. And even if he does...it's hard to imagine him getting broad base support within his own party.

I'm curious to know where some of the people in this forum continue to talk about rudy as if he's a lock. You may want to take a look at something recent. Rudy's chances are slim at the moment, and getting slimmer. if I had to guess, I'd say that Rudy will be dropping out of the race within the next two weeks.

[RIP]

Rudy drops out.

Edwards drops out.

[Highwayman]

One way or another, history will be made... A black man or a white woman.

[koolmike]

Giuliani is a complete joke who can't seem to get it together.



He put all his eggs into one basket, the fool. (Florida)

[WarBeast]

He put all his eggs into one basket, the fool. (Florida)

He did that in more ways than just florida... his campaign strategy was all based on one cornerstone:

Q: Mr. Ghouliani, what is your plan for the economy?

A: 9/11!

Q: Mr. Ghouliani, what is your plan for Iraq?

A: 9/11!!

Q: Mr. Ghouliani, what do you plan to do about illegal immigration?

A: 9/11! 9/11!! 9/11!!!

Couple that with reports of corruption and waste in his time in office and his campaign was running on two broken legs from the get-go... ultimately, being Saint Rudy of 9/11 simply isn't enough.

To Kimble, who said it's going to be Rudy in the White House.... Eat CROW, Muthafucka!!!