NFL Draft 2008

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I figured I'll start this, I know its not until april but every person out there that doesn't have their team in the Superbowl is lookin' forward to the draft like I am.

I just heard that the cowboys are tryin' to trade down to the dolphins pick. They are tryin' to give the dolphins their 2 1st round picks and Marion Barber III to get the #1 pick to pick up Darren McFadden. Personally I think that is crazy!

Personally for me (Steelers Fan) I'm lookin' for some O Line. We gave up too many sacks. Of course I never like it when in the 1st round we draft some O Line, but when u need it, I guess its okay.

Who Are you lookin' for ur team to draft and what do you think are ur needs?

[skybrick]

Vikes need a Q
Andre Woodson would be nice.

[Knight]

If Jerry Jones is seriously considering that trade then he has officially gone senile.

I'm looking for the Pack to add some serious depth at DB. Corner is probably the most pressing need since Harris and Woodson are getting old and safety play is still a huge concern. RB, OLB and some offensive lineman couldn't hurt either.

[H78]

Sorry, it's still too early for me to talk draft.
*Wonders if Steelba will take the bait*

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Sorry, it's still too early for me to talk draft.
*Wonders if Steelba will take the bait*

never too early. of course what r u a pats fan? wait wait... I mean do u cheerlead for the Pats?

[steelba]

I'd love to see Faneca come over to the Seahawks in Free Agency this year.
Other than that we'll probably draft another 5 foot something corner in the first round and some other useless players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Seattle usually signs better players in FA then it drafts.

But yeah the thread is cool because only te Giants and the cheaters are left playing. Actually hope the Giants will win, although i've already learned you can't beat the cheat...

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I'd love to see Faneca come over to the Seahawks in Free Agency this year.
Other than that we'll probably draft another 5 foot something corner in the first round and some other useless players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Seattle usually signs better players in FA then it drafts.

But yeah the thread is cool because only te Giants and the cheaters are left playing. Actually hope the Giants will win, although i've already learned you can't beat the cheat...

That better not happen. Faneca needs to smarten up and stay a steeler. But yea that one CB u guys drafted I think will be good. Kelly Jennings. Just needs a lil' more time.

I always check the Mock Drafts. I guess I'm pretty big into the draft, I just like to know who is comin' into the league. anyways I've checked 3 different mock draft (They pretty much change every week) but so far The Seahawks on the 3 mock drafts 2 of them were gonna draft the RB from Illinois (he's pretty good) and the other one said they were gonna draft the TE out of USC. and yes those r the 1st rounders that I looked up.

[3/6]

lions need depth at CB and OL and a new RB considering kevin jones fuckin is ACL again..shame, he was one of my favorite players too..coulda been soo tight..his career s lieky over..and were gonan need a new DL..rumor is they are about to cut Shaun rogers..pisses me off..a new QB would be nice too..

Ravens need a new QB and a WR

the cowboys thign is just dumb..marion barber is the man

[IKickAssForTheLord]

lions need depth at CB and OL and a new RB considering kevin jones fuckin is ACL again..shame, he was one of my favorite players too..coulda been soo tight..his career s lieky over..and were gonan need a new DL..rumor is they are about to cut Shaun rogers..pisses me off..a new QB would be nice too..

Ravens need a new QB and a WR

the cowboys thign is just dumb..marion barber is the man

The Lions are mostly gonna take a CB in the 1st round. I've checked most of the drafts and thats all I see is a CB, except for one I saw a O line man. if they cut Shaun Rogers is just retarded.

Ravens I've seen them takin' a QB or a WR... I've seen a couple of them takin' Andre Woodson, but also Brian Brohm. I think either one would be a good fit.

[ReD]

Thinkin LB especially if the Pats win the Superbowl. Im willing to bet Seau hangs it up and Bruschi will probably do the same. I'll be shocked if atleast one of them doesnt.

In that case, I would think Belichick would draft a LB but thats really the one position he seems reluctant to draft in his tenure here. That said, its a position with alot of age on that team and its only a matter of time before it needs to be addressed.

The Pats have a top 15 pick but I wouldnt be surprised if they trade out of the first round because Pioli is going to have to find a way to pay guys like Moss and Stallworth. However Stallworth might be sent packing just because they might not value him as much.

They wont want to have to pay top money for a first rounder so im leaning towards them trading out of the 1st round for some more picks later on.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Thinkin LB especially if the Pats win the Superbowl. Im willing to bet Seau hangs it up and Bruschi will probably do the same. I'll be shocked if atleast one of them doesnt.

In that case, I would think Belichick would draft a LB but thats really the one position he seems reluctant to draft in his tenure here. That said, its a position with alot of age on that team and its only a matter of time before it needs to be addressed.

The Pats have a top 15 pick but I wouldnt be surprised if they trade out of the first round because Pioli is going to have to find a way to pay guys like Moss and Stallworth. However Stallworth might be sent packing just because they might not value him as much.

They wont want to have to pay top money for a first rounder so im leaning towards them trading out of the 1st round for some more picks later on.

all the drafts that I have looked at. They have the Pats usin' their pick for takin' a LB or a CB. Mostly LB which u r right 'bout that.

[Joker]

Vikes need a Q
Andre Woodson would be nice.

I doubt that the Vikings take a QB with the first round pick,I would bet they will pick either CB Antoine Cason,WR DeSean Jackson or trade their first round pick for Jason Taylor and somehow acquire Larry Fitzgerald.

[skybrick]

I doubt that the Vikings take a QB with the first round pick,I would bet they will pick either CB Antoine Cason,WR DeSean Jackson or trade their first round pick for Jason Taylor and somehow acquire Larry Fitzgerald.

Larry Fitzgerald would be a home favorite but I dont see why they need to draft a defense player period. The defense is on the rise and their cornerbacks were picking it up pretty good in the last half of the season. But I do agree they need receivers as well. Desean Jackson was a freak at the start of the year but slowly started to do nothing in the last half. I am just still wondering if Jackson is going to be the long term guy.

[Joker]

I dont have much faith in Jackson either,but I dont think Childress is ready to give up on his prospect yet.

Vikings need a DE,safety and a corner~Winfield isnt getting any younger and Cason would be a good replacment,and just might be the BPA when the Vikings pick.

[Revenant]

It's still a few more months until I feel like talking about the Bears pending spring cleaning...

[steelba]

That better not happen. Faneca needs to smarten up and stay a steeler. But yea that one CB u guys drafted I think will be good. Kelly Jennings. Just needs a lil' more time.

I always check the Mock Drafts. I guess I'm pretty big into the draft, I just like to know who is comin' into the league. anyways I've checked 3 different mock draft (They pretty much change every week) but so far The Seahawks on the 3 mock drafts 2 of them were gonna draft the RB from Illinois (he's pretty good) and the other one said they were gonna draft the TE out of USC. and yes those r the 1st rounders that I looked up.
I'll be so stoked if we draft a RB!

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I dont have much faith in Jackson either,but I dont think Childress is ready to give up on his prospect yet.

Vikings need a DE,safety and a corner~Winfield isnt getting any younger and Cason would be a good replacment,and just might be the BPA when the Vikings pick.

All The Mock Drafts I've seen has the vikings takin' a D player. 2 were CB/S and 1 was a DE.

Yea I thought u might like that steelba.

[Lucio Argento]

I'm looking forward to NYG in the Superbowl, but looking at the draft I'd want to draft a CB. Aaron Ross looks like he can be great, but after him we're pretty old.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

don't feel like makin' another thread 'bout the Offseason for the NFL... so I'm just gonna use this thread.

Koolmike how would u like to have DeAngelo Hall in a Gaints uniform. I heard they r tryin' to get him. A lot of shit is goin' down in the offseason.

[steelba]

Kmike is a Jets fan.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

oh my bad... haha, who is the person that likes the Giants? I know I saw somebody... I wanna say knight but isn't he a packers fan!?1 DAMNIT I KNOW SOMEBODY LIKES THE GIANTS!

[CrazySicilian]

Steelers need to address the offensive line in the first round.. possibly Ryan Clady from Boise State if he's still around by then.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Steelers need to address the offensive line in the first round.. possibly Ryan Clady from Boise State if he's still around by then.

forgot u were a steeler fan... now I got somebody to talk to 'bout the steelers.
And I agree then need somebody for the OL. Last year was just horrible. And I don't like AF will most likely not resign. We also need to look in the FA's. Some pretty good ones in there.

[CrazySicilian]

Watching Ben get sacked 6 times in the first half against Jacksonville made me realize we need the O-line help, lol. Wouldn't mind some depth at CB either, Deshea Towsend isn't getting any younger.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

yea true that, townsend is pretty old... I just wish they would do somethin' in the offseason... they never do and always pisses me off. but yea O-Line is a must, its not like what it used to be.

[steelba]

oh my bad... haha, who is the person that likes the Giants? I know I saw somebody... I wanna say knight but isn't he a packers fan!?1 DAMNIT I KNOW SOMEBODY LIKES THE GIANTS!
Oravear is the boards lone Giants fan.
Although we all now know Eli Manning is Unstoppable :D

Seahawks better draft a RB in the first round or else :cussing:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Oravear is the boards lone Giants fan.
Although we all now know Eli Manning is Unstoppable :D

Seahawks better draft a RB in the first round or else :cussing:

okay from now on I want a list of ppls teams god damnit. I can't keep up.

And The seahawks will draft a RB. I know they will.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

was watchin' the combine...

Looks like there r a lot of good O-Lineman and some pretty good Tightends.
And steelba might have made a mistake, u might not be gettin' the guy from Illionis.. I meant to tell u that who u were gonna get, but u will either get him or the guy from Oregon Stewart. But can't wait to check out tomorrow combine where all the skill players are goin'.

[Revenant]

Well don't worry everyone, Rexy will still indeed be sexy for at least one more year..

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=4400

[IKickAssForTheLord]

yea I heard 'bout that.... hahahaha.

[Revenant]

yea I heard 'bout that.... hahahaha.

The way I see it a 1yr contract is just giving him another chance which he already had this year, until he got benched in favor or our resident fossil Brian Griese and followed by our third stringer that looks like a alcoholic homeless man named Kyle Orton..

But apparently he was just too sexy to pass up on, as their must have been no other QB that in the draft that could possibly look so good as Rexy does while being so bad.

this is pretty damn funny though. http://sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Rex_Grossman

[IKickAssForTheLord]

this is pretty damn funny though. http://sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Rex_Grossman

that shit right there is pretty funny.

[ReD]

Pats decide not to franchise Moss and pickup the option on Stallworth.

I still think a deal is eminent with Moss probably in the range of a low level deal. Stallworth leaving doesnt surprise me unless again they want to give him cheap money. They also had their eye on Zach Thomas but he decided to go with Dallas so thats out. I suppose it was good they didnt press hard for him. Hes had concussions galore over the last few seasons so he would've been a big risk.

[Revenant]

If stallworth is available the bears should make a play for him...muhammad is cut so that leaves at least one empty spot and if Berrian leaves to free agency we will definitely need some serious help at WR

[CrazySicilian]

Signing good WRs to the Bears won't do good if Rex Grossman is their starting QB. :mhehe:

[Revenant]

Signing good WRs to the Bears won't do good if Rex Grossman is their starting QB. :mhehe:

well if our wideouts start wearing the opposing teams uniforms we might have a shot.

[Darkgod]

Being a dolphins fan i usually dont care about the draft as the dolphins suck at drafting. Anyway, with the tuna in town now Im interested to see what he can do. The man knows how to draft.

[Joker]

The Phins are interested in soon to be ex-Vikings WR Troy Williamson.I would really hate to see him go.:lookarnd:He would be a fine addition to your team.:mhehe:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Darren McFadden did pretty good at the combine today. Ran a 4.27 in the 40... thats tied for the best so far.

[3/6]

whos he tied with??

[steelba]

And steelba might have made a mistake, u might not be gettin' the guy from Illionis.. I meant to tell u that who u were gonna get, but u will either get him or the guy from Oregon Stewart. But can't wait to check out tomorrow combine where all the skill players are goin'.
Yeah from the looks of the mock drafts it's Felix Jones or Stewart. Or a TE, but Holmgren said no more 1st round TE's for him.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yeah from the looks of the mock drafts it's Felix Jones or Stewart. Or a TE, but Holmgren said no more 1st round TE's for him.

hahaha yea I bet... what he draft that stevens guy? and both of those RB are pretty good... it will be a upgrade for u.

Also I just realize the month is almost over... I'm gonna miss that sig.

[steelba]

There is still a little while to go for this sig :(

Anything is an upgrade over a RB who regularly downs himself before contact :cussing:
I'd be fine if they just went ahead and cut Alexander and let Morris run it for a year. Atleast he tries to gain hard yards!

Edit: yeah he drafted Stevens.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

There is still a little while to go for this sig :(

Anything is an upgrade over a RB who regularly downs himself before contact :cussing:
I'd be fine if they just went ahead and cut Alexander and let Morris run it for a year. Atleast he tries to gain hard yards!

Edit: yeah he drafted Stevens.

Alexander, I just don't understand him... how can he break the TD Record and then just blows afterwards. Yea Morris is pretty good. But Free Agent signin' gonna start at 12:00 Tonight, can't wait too see what happens.

The only thing I remember 'bout stevens is at the super bowl when him and Joey Porter were goin' at it. I remember Porter sayin' somethin' like... If you and Stevens were in a dark alley you two would get mugged but if I was there that I wouldn't happen I don't remember the exact quote but somethin' along those lines. And also the dude had some big drop catches when they needed them.

[Knight]

Alexander, I just don't understand him... how can he break the TD Record and then just blows afterwards.

Because running backs take a physical pounding year after year and tend to get worse, not better as they progress in their careers. It's the same for all RB's and not just Alexander.

[Joker]

The loss of Hutch played a part in Alexander's dwindeling production,He's also a big reason Taylor and Peterson run the ball so well.

[steelba]

Can you explain why he falls down behind the line before any contact occours?

[Lucio Argento]

Can you explain why he falls down behind the line before any contact occours?


He's imitating what Key Arena will be doing in a year.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

A lot of shit just went down last night for the FA's.

[ReD]

Bye bye Asante.

Moving to Philly for 60 mill.

I expect Ty Law back in NE within the next week or so IMO.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

if I was u, I wouldn't want ty law back.

[Joker]

Only 60?I wonder what happened to the 100 mil. he wanted.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

What are the vikings doin' this off season geeezzz.

[Joker]

Well,Justin Smith and Bernard Berrian are both in town.And I still have hope that something could happen with Larry Fitzgerald.

[steelba]

He's imitating what Key Arena will be doing in a year.
Me and everyone else in Seattle all pray you're right. Nobody in the city wants the Sonics to stay. They cheap ass owner wants all of us to pay ALOT more in taxes so those losers can have a new stadium to suck in :2far:
Plus I fucking hate Basketball.

[Knight]

What are the vikings doin' this off season geeezzz.

Spending millions on mediocre free agents so they can go 8-8 and miss the playoffs again.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Spending millions on mediocre free agents so they can go 8-8 and miss the playoffs again.

thats what I'm sayin'...

[skybrick]

:finger3:

[Max Payne]

Bye bye Asante.

Moving to Philly for 60 mill.

I expect Ty Law back in NE within the next week or so IMO.


I wont miss him, he would of been a better secon CB then number 1.

Ill miss Colvin more, and as I look at who there letting go, and who they could pick up in FA I think the Pats are using this as a transistion year, which blows cause they already did this in 06.

Ty Law is coming back, but he talked his way out of NE in the first place, then led the Pats on for months and ultimately he chose the Cheifs and the money over them again, so I have mixed feelings about him.

But he needs to come back as a safety, I dont think he is fast enough to be a CB on this Pat defense.


The Eagles didnt even over pay for him, he is prolly the best CB availible in FA and his deal is less then 10 mil a year.

I think alot of the teams this year will be improving via trades.

[steelba]

Asante and Trufant were the best free agent CB's this year.

[Joker]

Spending millions on mediocre free agents so they can go 8-8 and miss the playoffs again.

Well they havent been spending that kind of money in the past few years considering they are 35 mil under the cap,and the FA's they have spent big money on are doin alright,I think 3 of em made it to the probowl this year.

And as for 8-8,who knows?Maybe.Bring in a DE to help with the QB pressure problems they have,and a couple quality recievers from FA to help pull 8 men out of the box,and.....well,I think people saw what can happen then.

[Knight]

I think people saw what can happen then.

Yeah, we saw Tavaris Jackson had plenty of time to miss wide-open receivers as opposed to missing wide-open receivers under pressure...:ahheh:

[Joker]

:lol: Yeah.
I dont know if Jackson will ever be a true NFL QB,a lot of people seem to think he could be the real deal,in time.
Me,I wanted Brady Quinn picked last year.

[steelba]

Quinn probably wont be to great himself, didn't Clevland just re-sign Anderson?

[Knight]

Looks like the Cleveland REDSKINS are under the illusion of being a 'Super bowl contender' and are making it a point to sign every free agent under the sun.

[ReD]

They had a good season last season but they have to be concerned with Andersons tail off last season. They went 10-6 and missed the playoffs and his play towards the end of the season was a direct reason why they missed the playoffs.

That division is pretty doable though. Outside of Pittsburgh, the Ravens are always a glass window and the Bengals dont have anyone to play defense or keep people from getting into trouble.

Stallworth signing didnt make too much sense to me but I suppose it was a good insurance pickup. Romeo is trying to build a team quickly probably knowing he has a year at best maybe two despite the new deal he signed with Cleveland. If he doesnt atleast make the playoffs or they flounder back under .500. Hes probably gone.

[Knight]

From what I recall their defense was atrocious. Corey Williams isn't going to do much for them...he had one OK year but his first 4 in Green Bay was nothing to write home about.

Then again, I'm happy about the 2nd round pick and extra cap space he netted the Packers, who are building a team the right way. :nod:

[Scaremonger]

I assume Ted will be making those seemingly oddball picks that leave us fans scratching our heads. But hey, I guess he DOES know what he's doing afterall. I demanded his resignation on day one, just like I did with Ron Wolfe's. :ahheh:

[ReD]

That I concur with.

Its interesting when comparing the former Pats coaches. Romeo for me anyway is attempting to put together a decent squad whereas IMO the only thing Mangini will be remembered for by the time his tenure is over is being a rat fink for a guy who got him in the league creating quite a scandal all the while trying to be a Belichick wannabe in his manner.

All attacks aside. I'd give Romeo the slight edge but I dont think he has as long a leesh in Cleveland as the Jets are giving to Mangini.

In other news, Bruce lands in SF but I dont know if Mr. Smith will be able to get him the ball. Miami is headed in the right direction, Parcells has cleaned house. Getting rid of Trent was a must because as consistent as the guy was over the years, his concussions have been catching up to him knocking him out for long periods of time, etc. At this point in his career he is a broken window.

[Max Payne]

Ya, ok. A 4-12 season, will cost Mangini his job this year.

Lance Briggs signed with the Bears, which is weird cause I thought for sure he wanted out, and at 6 mil a year there must of been no market for him.

I hope the Pats have trades in the works cause they were weak on LB posistion when they let Colvin go in the first place and all the good ones are being taken up already.

Jason Taylor for a 4th. Hopefully.

[ReD]

I dunno man.

NY loves Mangini moreso than if Coughlin didnt make the playoffs this year. He would've been axed without question whereas Mangini probably still has a good 2 year window left IMO.

[Knight]

I thought for sure he wanted out


:spit:

'I want out' - Translation: I want more money.
'I just want to win' - Translation: I want more money.
'It's not about the money' - Translation: I want more money.

[steelba]

Mangini isn't doing any better than Herm.

[Max Payne]

:spit:

'I want out' - Translation: I want more money.
'I just want to win' - Translation: I want more money.
'It's not about the money' - Translation: I want more money.


Yea but they refused to give it to him and it got ugly, so he wanted out.

At 6 mil a year, I gotta think he had a average year cause that isnt alot.

As for Mangini, he went from the playoffs to a terrible year, if they have another one, he is out.

Esspecially since there making a play for all these new talents, they have to have expectations.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

well I'm pissed... There goes my LG Alan Faneca... and of course the Steelers won't pick up anybody, like they always do.

[Revenant]

Yea but they refused to give it to him and it got ugly, so he wanted out.

At 6 mil a year, I gotta think he had a average year cause that isnt alot.

As for Mangini, he went from the playoffs to a terrible year, if they have another one, he is out.

Esspecially since there making a play for all these new talents, they have to have expectations.

being in the local news ciricuit of chicago believe me it wasn't as bad as it sounded, Briggs at first pouted, after being franchised threatened to not play, then all of a sudden switched tune and played the whole season without talking about the incident at all. I'm sure Drew Rosenhaus was behind a little bit of that.

Berrian has now signed with the vikes for 7 million a year for 6 years, have fun playing with tavaris jackson berrian, you got overpaid to be with a mediocre team besides Adrian Peterson and hutchinson. You could have done that here as well, we just would have paid you what you were worth.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Berrian is good, he's the only good O player they had other than Hester.

[Joker]

Looks like Moss would like to reunite with Culpepper.
If a team needed both a Reciever and a Quarterback and had the cash to spend this would be a good option,enen though Culpepper isnt what he used to be.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3273447

[Max Payne]

espn is a fucking joke

ya, i bet moss would just love to reunite with culpepper, im sure he thinks that he is superior to tom brady too.

moss isnt going anywhere, and if he does, no way cullpepper is the qb of that team cause he was always as good as moss made him look, i think thats clear now.

espn needs to report reliable news more often, this hear say shit doesnt fly.

[Revenant]

Berrian is good, he's the only good O player they had other than Hester.

The guy dropped a lot of passes, I remember one perfectly lofted pass, he was all alone, he was ready for it, and it went right through his hands, bounced off his chest and through his arms like a B-ball hoop. besides, he wanted the money, now he gets to enjoy Tavaris Jackson throwing to him.

[ReD]

Looks like Moss might stick around the neighborhood with a deal of 3 years, 27 mil.

If it turns out to be true, then great. It will be the best move they've done so far this offseason and it will keep it from being like the 06 offseason when they seemed content with bringing in suspect players who really had no impact whatsoever.

I mean think about it from an objective point of view. If you were a fan of this organization, haters included all anti BB, cheating obliges aside. Would'nt it make sense to bring back a guy who put such a great spark in your offense like you never had prior? Also the obvious money aside, if your Randy Moss it only makes sense that you would want to go to a handful of organizations that have a chance to win.

Indy
NE
San Diego
Dallas - if they dont flip flop around like the NFC tends to year to year

Being the top 4 teams or so IMO. Even if he had decided to go to GB with Favre especially this past year. That team would've been even better than it already was. In the end, why take a deal for a team that has no chance at winning. Being content with losing but picking up a paycheck at the end of the day. Sure money is everything no matter the sport or context. But there comes a point I would think where you want to go to an organization that has a realistic shot IMO.

[Max Payne]

The Pats are still worse now then they were at the end of last season, they best be looking to improve instead of settle until next off season in hopes that Moss and Brady will be good enough to win, Pats and Pat fans know best that offense isnt what wins.

The Jets have had a very active off season, they should have no reason to not make the playoffs next season, but they will find a way Im sure.

[ReD]

Looks like Favre has called it a career.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3276034

A warrior he was.

League MVP, Superbowl winner along with appearing in two superbowls. He accomplished pretty much everything your ever going to accomplish in that league. He didnt get that storybook ending that he probably should've but he had one hell of a career.

[steelba]

About time.

[Knight]

League MVP, Superbowl winner along with appearing in two superbowls. He accomplished pretty much everything your ever going to accomplish in that league. He didnt get that storybook ending that he probably should've but he had one hell of a career.

As a Packer fan, it's bittersweet. Brett Favre is probably the greatest regular season QB of all time and it was fun watching him grow into an old man in a Green & Gold uniform. Lot's of great memories to look back on including a Super bowl title which quite a few teams have never nor will ever accomplish *cough*Seattle*cough*.

Unfortunately, he never seemed to learn from his mistakes and tended to play his worst football at the worst possible times which led to much post-season heartbreak and disappointment over the years. I suppose it's kind of fitting in a way that his last NFL pass was a game-killing interception.

Perhaps the Packers revert back to the 70's and 80's or perhaps A-Rod steps in and rallys the Pack with his head rather than his guts. Who knows, but the future is intriguing.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I can't wait to see how the packers do now, its gonna be great.

[Max Payne]

Word is, Moss is the reason he is retiring.

Had they landed him, he would of willed it out.

I understand what it feels like to be mentally tired of a job, so I know what he means by that, but it's hard to walk away from something your still productive and good at, I think its a mistake to walk away when you still have something left on the table.

But he sees the writing on the wall too Im sure, he got those records and knows that his chances of winning the SB with the Packers as is isn't any greater then they have been in a long time, even after the very successful and unexpected 2007 season.

[Knight]

The Packers are loaded on offense. Jennings is well on his way to being a superstar.

The 'he retired because of Moss' story the media conjured up is a bunch of horse shit. Pretty sure the Packers went 13-3 and were 3 points away from the Super bowl last year without Moss. WR, TE, RB...play makers at every position.

I honestly think he retired because of what he says...he doesn't feel like going through the physical and mental preparation again. Also, I'm willing to bet he probably doesn't like the thought of Lambeau field in January these days, even though he'd never admit to it. Watching the NFC championship game, I saw him out there rubbing hand warmers all over his face on the sideline looking like he couldn't wait to go home. At that point I questioned exactly how much 'Warrior' he had left in him.

[toxicangel19]

its sad to see favre go but even without him me and my hubby will still remain packers fans all the way. i think that you aren't a true fan if you quit a team just because they lose one of there best players. we will stick with the packs even if they have a sucky season.

[Max Payne]

The Packers are loaded on offense. Jennings is well on his way to being a superstar.

The 'he retired because of Moss' story the media conjured up is a bunch of horse shit. Pretty sure the Packers went 13-3 and were 3 points away from the Super bowl last year without Moss. WR, TE, RB...play makers at every position.

I honestly think he retired because of what he says...he doesn't feel like going through the physical and mental preparation again. Also, I'm willing to bet he probably doesn't like the thought of Lambeau field in January these days, even though he'd never admit to it. Watching the NFC championship game, I saw him out there rubbing hand warmers all over his face on the sideline looking like he couldn't wait to go home. At that point I questioned exactly how much 'Warrior' he had left in him.

Ya I knew this was coming, but whatever.

As solid, as the offense is, with Moss on the team you now have what potentially is as good as what the Pats had last year, ya Farve is no Brady but Moss would certainly make that offense the best in the leauge. You think Driver and Jennings are good now? Imagine how good they would have been if they were the second and third best receivers on the team, don't let it fool you. You think Welker is as good as he looked in 07? I know he isn't he just complimented the slot posistion when all the attention was to prevent the deep pass leaving open the speed and underneath holes.

Not to mention, even if he did retire if Moss came on board, it makes what ever average QB comes in this year look a whole lot better doesnt it?

But who are we kidding, do you honestly think Farve would have retired if Moss came on board? I dont

This is the same guy who asked to be traded at last years draft because they didnt land Moss. Farve came back last year for the records, everyone knows that, the success of the season was icing on the cake, now if he thought this team was gonna be better then last years, including Moss, I think he sticks it out one more season, but what the hell do I know, the only thing I know is no one here knows anything about the situation and can only make educated guesses.

[Knight]

But who are we kidding, do you honestly think Farve would have retired if Moss came on board? I dont


The Packers knew about his decision like a week ago before Moss even signed with NE...so how do you figure Randy Moss had anything to do with it? Maybe it would have provided extra incentive to change his mind but other than that it seems he pretty much had made his decision weeks ago.

Even so, the Packers don't need Moss to 'put them over the top'. What they need is a A) defensive coordinator who isn't predictable and doesn't run vanilla blitz schemes that people can see coming from a mile away and B) a quarterback who can be trusted to hold the fort and play smart football at crucial times.

And who gives a shit about record-breaking offenses...Moss has never been a part of anything other than colossal disappointments (see 98 Vikings and 07 Patriots).

[Max Payne]

Ya, and Im sure you wouldnt want Moss on your team at all.

Cause all he does is loses big games, must be hard to watch, you know losing games that matter instead of ones that dont right?

Moss will walk away from the NFL with as many if not more rings then Farve, and Farve has lost his fair share of big games too, so Im sure that really matters.

Its simple, Moss in the NFC with that Packer offense is enough to win the SB, it's enough to make them the best team in the NFC, i.e. the Cowboys, but unlike the Boys, Moss is better then Owens, Farve isnt even on Romos level doesnt even deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence, Farve is way above that. So I wouldnt expect them to be over rated all season and go one and done in the playoffs.

Your right, who cares about the records, all I and most people care about are SB wins, and Ive seen my share for the team I root for, and Ive even seen more then my fair share at SB loses then most teams even play in, but your lying, if your telling me that at this moment in time you wouldnt choose Moss, Jenkins, Driver and Farve over Jenkins, Driver and what ever average QB they find for the up coming season.

Farve would definitley see it that way, and he go one more time.

[Knight]

Ya, and Im sure you wouldnt want Moss on your team at all.


I'm pretty indifferent. The Packers are not hurting at the WR position by any stretch. Even so, I'm not of the opinion that WR's win you Super bowls.

[Max Payne]

We dont know what wins your SB in the NFC at this point.

As good as the WR are in GB, Moss is that much better.

No one plays defense in the NFC, week to week there all differnt, and as we saw in the SB once your there, stats mean shit, how you played during the season means shit.

Having the best possible team you can get is what matters, and right now, Jenkins and Driver is owned by Drive, Jenkins, Farve and Moss.

But we cant really play that card, Moss prolly never wanted to play in GB, not after coming to NE, he would of gone to GB last year if NE had no interest but we know how that turned out.

GB looks like there gonna have to improve through trade cause I dont see how a draft helps for this year.

[Knight]

:zzz:

Yep, everything the Patriots do is gold, and everything the rest of the league does is garbage.

Randy Moss is a great football player and a great human being. He is better than everyone else.

[Max Payne]

That didnt take long, I thought we were talking about the Packers?

Can you keep on topic?

[Joker]

I really didnt expect him to retire this year.
As a Viking fan I'm glad to see him go,as a fan of the game I hate to see HOF players leave,there are only a hand full of athletes in the league who add something to the game and he's one of them,IMO.
After watching him all these years it will be strange not hearing his name anymore.


I just hope Madden is gonna be ok.:D

[H78]

Sad to see Favre go, but now is the PERFECT time to sell off all of my Brett Favre cards (including three rookies!).

[ReD]

Whether you love him or hate him. The NFL does lose one of its all time players who played the game with a glare of a kid. He was a true gunslinger, for better or worse.

You enjoyed watching him play the game especially in his prime. He will be missed because he represents everything that is good about the game. All that said, I think they might have a good QB in Rodgers or atleast a caretaker, game manager type. Next year will probably be a transitional year. Then again, he could be the next Big Ben and have a great season.

[Knight]

I personally think Aaron Rodgers will be a good NFL QB. He's mobile, has a decent arm and makes good decisions. Plus he's had the benefit of riding the pine and learning the offense for the past few years as opposed to being tossed in the fire right away.

I tell you what, if he pans out there's going to be a lot of pissed off NFL teams (see 49ers).

[Chief Falling Rock]

I love football. But Brett made it just that much more fun to watch. Its hard to come by a player thats in for the sheer fun of it. And you could tell by the look on his face everytime he took the field he was having a blast. After 17 years and being at the top of his game, I can't disagree that it was time to hang up the helmet. But I'll miss him.

[Max Payne]

I personally think Aaron Rodgers will be a good NFL QB. He's mobile, has a decent arm and makes good decisions. Plus he's had the benefit of riding the pine and learning the offense for the past few years as opposed to being tossed in the fire right away.

I tell you what, if he pans out there's going to be a lot of pissed off NFL teams (see 49ers).

I think Alex Smith blows, but he doesn't have the WR Rogers is going to get to play with either.

that said, Im not sure either one of them will be anything better then average, I think Rodgers will prolly end up being the better player.

[Knight]

I've watched him in the pre-season and of course when he got playing time against Dallas. Despite all the doubts about him...he's looked good and the level of improvement year to year has been consistent. Not sure why no one wants to give the guy a chance.

The biggest knock on him is he can't seem to stay healthy, which with Favre you never had to worry about because he was a freak of nature and never had any major injuries. That's what the Pack is going to miss most.

[Scaremonger]

I am positive Favre hung them up partly because he's old in game terms, to put it bluntly, but he is also bitter because it didn't seem to him that Thompson cared if he stayed or went. And I don't knock Favre for those feelings.. it's human nature. There's two egos here. Thompson's probably a jerk (so was Ron Wolfe), but if he builds a championship team, of course all is forgiven.

I think Favre is partially bitter because both his agent and his brother had said it bugged Brett that it didn't seem they wanted him back that bad the last couple years. I don't think they'd shoot that off without it being true, or even told to put that out there, though Brett won't say these things himself, and simply will put the professional spin on it. Again, when you're good, I just chalk it up as simple human nature, and really not a big deal, or unusual.

It always sucks to lose a legend, but in the end all that we'll care about in the future are the W's. I think Ted Thompson has been chomping at the bit to prove something. Now's his chance.

[Revenant]

Kinda bittersweet to see Favre go as a bears fan, he gave us trouble to no end, but there is no doubt he was a great QB and I'm glad his final season was a winning one, even if it didn't end in the best light.

[Joker]

Sad to see Favre go, but now is the PERFECT time to sell off all of my Brett Favre cards (including three rookies!).

Do you have this rookie card


http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s69/jellybelly217/favre_rookircard2.jpg

[IKickAssForTheLord]

well steelba, u got some RB's now.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Well, 3/6 the lions just cut Kevin Jones, I wonder where they go from there.

[steelba]

well steelba, u got some RB's now.
Not happy about that, since it means we're not gonna draft a RB this year :2far:
But on the flip side ANYONE is better than Alexander.
Hopefully we draft a stud WR then, because Branch is a bigger bust than Shaun.

[skybrick]

Branch did suck, I thought he was going to be a stud but he really fucked up my money league.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I already can't wait for FF... Doin' the yahoo last year was the best FF I've done... usually I do it wit a couple of friends on a different site, but its nothin' like yahoo... u don't do any of the draft... and the draft is the best part 'bout yahoo.

[steelba]

Yeah, i'm doing the FF this year.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yeah, i'm doing the FF this year.

Good, cuz I want the UHM one to be good and fair this year wit no bitching

[steelba]

I'll make sure not to give WR a point per reception :die:

[Max Payne]

dont fuck it up, goto the settings from not last year but the previous year when I dominated.

[Revenant]

Ha, already talking about FF already? granted UHM's is a lot of fun, the draft is usually pretty fun to do with a group of people in the room as well. Last year I think we had most of the people in the league make it.

[steelba]

dont fuck it up, goto the settings from not last year but the previous year when I dominated.
Everyone who signed up for my redux league thought it was much better and suggested I run this years :nod:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

okay I figured I would just put this in this thread...

The NFL Schedules are out. I guess the Steelers have the toughest schedule. eek. Anyways This year I get to go to a couple of games... but not sure what games to go to. I'm debatin' between Baltimore Ravens Vs. Steelers (Monday Night), Indianapolis Colts Vs. Steelers (4:15), Steelers Vs at New England Patriots (4:15), Dallas Cowboys Vs. Steelers. Not sure what game to go to... I would like to go to atleast 2 games. But if I only go to one game not sure what one to go to.

Also since this is in the draft thread... THE DRAFT IS ALMOST HERE!!! YAY! more football!

[Joker]

I go to two every year,this year it looks like I'll get to see the Colts and I always go when the Pack come to town because they bring a lot of fans and the heckeling back and forth really makes it a good time.

[Knight]

4 primetime games for the Pack. Good stuff. That way the whole nation gets to watch a future hall of fame quarterback in his first year as a starter lead the greatest franchise in professional sports to the first of multiple Super bowl titles. Apparently the Minnesota Vikings will be the first nationally televised victims of Aaron Rodgers new era of domination.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

4 primetime games for the Pack. Good stuff. That way the whole nation gets to watch a future hall of fame quarterback in his first year as a starter lead the greatest franchise in professional sports to the first of multiple Super bowl titles. Apparently the Minnesota Vikings will be the first nationally televised victims of Aaron Rodgers new era of domination.

haha, u better hope ur right... or less, it won't be good. But I think the packs will do good, I mean he has all the weapons he needs to get the job done, now lets see if he can get it done.

[Knight]

A-Rod will terrorize the NFL for many years to come with his laser arm and superb decision making skills. If those fail, he'll just run 20 or 30 yards and pick up the clutch first-down with his catlike speed and elusiveness.

Be on the look-out for a mass suicide in San Francisco by week 4.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

A-Rod will terrorize the NFL for many years to come with his laser arm and superb decision making skills. If those fail, he'll just run 20 or 30 yards and pick up the clutch first-down with his catlike speed and elusiveness.

Be on the look-out for a mass suicide in San Francisco by week 4.

u remind me of Detective John Kimble wit these predictions. But if they come true I will apologize.

[Joker]

A-Rod will terrorize the NFL for many years to come with his laser arm and superb decision making skills. If those fail, he'll just run 20 or 30 yards and pick up the clutch first-down with his catlike speed and elusiveness.


Sounds just like Tarvaris Jackson.:lookarnd:

[ReD]

Lotta late primetime type games for the Pats. No surprise.

Bye week hurts this coming season though.

Week 4 I believe.

[steelba]

Seahawks have the same by week.

[Max Payne]

Doesnt matter when it comes, sure you would like to have it in the middle of the season, but if you cant be preapared and able to play week to week, then you shouldnt be in the NFL.

The Pats have two back to back west coast trips, they would be smart to not even bother traveling back to NE during both of those.

[steelba]

Patriots officially got the Easiest Schedule in the league. Steelers got the hardest schedule. Hmmm...

[ReD]

Pats got the easiest schedule based on rotation of opponents year to year. Not their fault last year the AFC West and NFC South blew chunks. As always with the NFL, teams tend to flipflop year to year between good and bad. On paper, its the easiest schedule and maybe it will be. As insurance they probably scheduled those back to back West Coast trips to compensate for a potential weak schedule.

Pats always struggle with Denver, no matter if they have John Elway, Jay Cutler or Dany Kanell at QB. Shanahan owns Belichick and has for a long time. People might think San Diego is a gimme based on the last few meetings with the Pats but I dont think it will be and they'll be playing their A game after the AFC Championship this past season. Kansas City has given them problems in the past. Oakland is a toss up, most likey be shit again but who knows.

Pats and Seattle play either a Monday Night game or a Sunday Night Game. Cant wait to see that one.

Gonna say right now predraft. Minimum of 10 wins for this team with this schedule, maximum of 14 tops.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

this cracks me up everytime

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-bbzHdqUUFU&feature=related

[steelba]

not bad...

[Max Payne]

14 wins tops?

If the pats dont improve there defense there not winning the SB.

But looking at this schedule, even at this point in the year, I see only two potential losses, the Colts and a healthy Charger team.

The Pats should win the rest of the games, and to be honest, winning them all again wouldnt surprise me, I think 14 wins this season is minimum.

That said, way too early and too many changes to be had for every team in the leauge to even make serious predictions.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I can't believe ppl are sayin' the Pats r gonna win all 16 again... Chris Carter is predicting it... there is no chance in hell they r gonna do that again. I just don't see it.

[Max Payne]

Obviously not, but the Pats have won 14 games in the regular season 3 times since 2003, it isn't even worth arguing on wether or not that its possible any more but wether or not it will happen.

Id be happy with 9 wins and a SB, cause winning 18 games and losing 1 isnt exactly a goal the team or the fans hope to acheive.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Obviously not, but the Pats have won 14 games in the regular season 3 times since 2003, it isn't even worth arguing on wether or not that its possible any more but wether or not it will happen.

Id be happy with 9 wins and a SB, cause winning 18 games and losing 1 isnt exactly a goal the team or the fans hope to acheive.

I don't think they will win 14. but I'll say they will win 13 or 12... but enough of this... we will just have to wait until the season to see.

[Max Payne]

ya, at this point im more interested in who they get at 7 or if they even use the pick on them selfs.

[ReD]

My rough prediction is merely based off the schedule. Nothing further as far as the playoffs go.

Team needs alot of things. Biggest concern for me is LB and BB isnt too keen on drafting them but rather recycling them and trying to get the most out of them along with signing a free agent here and there. After that is an impact pass rusher. Someone who can create some consistent pressure. After that, depth at CB.

Not worried about the offense, just have to hope Morris stays healthy so they can switch things up. Its pretty evident they arent content on giving Maroney the full load at RB.

[Max Payne]

although LB are a real mess on this team and they do need one but the fact that there best corner is prolly a back up now you have to think they need to improve there, cause if you cant stop the pass that leads not being able to stop the run.

It looks like there looking at Lito Shepard pretty hard.

But now that the rounds are 10 mins long, this should be a very interesting day, but draft day trades are now far less likely

[IKickAssForTheLord]

yea, all I'm focus on is the Draft...

From the mock drafts I've seen, the pats r gonna either takin' a LB and CB.

LB - Keith Rivers
CB - D Rodgers from Tenn St.

[3/6]

who r the lions and the ravens suppost to take?? :D

[IKickAssForTheLord]

The lions - RB - Rashard M from Ill Noize
Ravens - QB - Matt Ryan

Thats from what I've seen.

I've studied like every mock draft out there... The Draft is like X-Mas to me.

[steelba]

Lions wont draft Mendenhall.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Lions wont draft Mendenhall.

oh really? who do u think they will draft?

[Joker]

If the Lions pick a RB it 's going to be a mistake,they need to start rebuilding their offensive line,Woody is going to be gone and moving him from center to OT didnt turn out that well. So if Branden Albert falls to them they pick him first.
Or they start rebuildig their D. line and Derrick Harvey would fit in well.

Matt finally gets it right and picks either of these before a back this year.

[steelba]

oh really? who do u think they will draft?
Chicago or Carolina are slated to draft Mendenhall. Detriot will grab Mike Jenkins 'CB', Derrick Harvey 'DT', or Jerod Mayo 'LB'

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Chicago or Carolina are slated to draft Mendenhall. Detriot will grab Mike Jenkins 'CB', Derrick Harvey 'DT', or Jerod Mayo 'LB'

haven't seen any of that... Mike Jenkins won't get drafted that high. if they draft any cb it will be that Aqib T dude. Jerod mayo will go a lil' bit later. But we will find out.

[3/6]

Mendenhall is too slow, i dont like that in RB's..tatum is startiung to get happy, and hopefully we start playing brian calhoun...i say we either go CB, OL, DL

i would love if the ravne sgot ryan i just dont see him falling that low...whats pick do the ravens got?

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Mendenhall isn't slow. he ran like a 4.46 thats good for his size... he has speed and power. Trust me he's a good RB. And ryan could fall that far at the #8 pick. The Fins aren't gonna pick ryan, rams aren't, raiders aren't, jets aren't, falcons are in love wit dorsey, chiefs could pick ryan... then there is the ravens which could pick him and they will if he is on the board.

EDIT: just saw McNair just retired!!!

[steelba]

haven't seen any of that...

Here are some of the most respected professional mock drafts from top NFL anaylists
> http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=F427E511FC8F2B1F8DCC608EBFCCEE60?id=09 000d5d807c192b&template=with-video&confirm=true
> http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=7D5B917F722E543F7EBC3157096F87E4?id=09 000d5d8079e2e4&template=with-video&confirm=true
> http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=838CE62F5743CAAF90BA55C4CCC57537?id=09 000d5d807c1715&template=with-video&confirm=true

[IKickAssForTheLord]

wow, they change it everyday... I don't think they should draft any of those ppl... they r reachin' for them all. now it makes me want this draft to come quicker.

[steelba]

I think those mock's look really good. Alot better than the wishfull thinking of the amatuer mock drafts.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

true, but some of those picks just don't make sense.

[3/6]

i iddnt know he ran a 4.46 my frind said he was lsow...thats str8...and i didnt know the ravens had the 8t pick..and yes i fuckin lvoe the news Mcnair retried..:D

[3/6]

when is the draft??

[IKickAssForTheLord]

he is far from slow. The dude has some talent.
April 26th 3pm and thats the 1st and 2nd round
april 27th is the rest of the draft.

[steelba]

true, but some of those picks just don't make sense. Which ones?



and yes i fuckin lvoe the news Mcnair retried..:D
Kyle Bollar is the new starter :mhehe:

[3/6]

Which ones?



Kyle Bollar is the new starter :mhehe:

for now, i doudt he will be come the start of the season...whoa i just sneesed and coughed at the same time and smoke came out my mouth lol

any ways boller(hopefully) wont be the starter..i think theyll get some oen..if not isay its time to give it to troy what the fucks his name smiht or brown??

[IKickAssForTheLord]

When I look at those, they r all mixed up... yea I know they are from 3 different guys. But they r all mixed up, like the first one, the dude has some CB's out of the 1st round that should be in the first round like the other 2 has. The 1st one has some of the teams reachin' for players. Like they have the dude Aqib Talib in the 2nd round... he isn't a 2nd rounder. I usually go wit the guys on NFL Live. Kiper And Todd. And those picks don't match theirs... yea I know they aren't gonna have the same picks. I don't know anymore, shit is just confusin' wit all these mock drafts. too many ppl goin' in different spots... I'm just gonna wait until the draft... and from now on, I'm just gonna say who I think they should draft. And yes I know I'm not a professional, but all these mock drafts make it confusin'.

[steelba]

Aqib Talib is great but only a few teams will touch him, everyone thinks he's the next Pacman. In other words a huge problem. I'm curious to see where Jonathan Stweart gets drafted. That toe really hurt his draft prospects.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

yea I heard he had some problems off the field, but I'm pretty sure somebody will take him in the 1st round... I know I saw a mock draft on tv that had him bein' taken by the pats... but that was awhile ago so I can see that changin'... but by that much?! 7th pick all the way to the 2nd round... its just crazy. But yea I wanna see who takes Jonathan Stweart also... I saw on TV that somebody was sayin' that Toe shouldn't be a issue whoever doesn't take him cuz of it is a fool... but yea that was just on the TV. A toe is better than a knee or a hip. I'm sure he can get over it... what is makin' me mad is... Every other day the steelers draft pick changes... I see them takin' a OT and then the next day takin' a WR as in Malcolm Kelly... shit just changes everyday.

[steelba]

Screw a WR, Rothlisberger is not that great. He throws a ton of int's and this season he said it's gonna be even more pass oriented. If they don't get a GOOD replacement for Faneca he'll be getting sacked tons and Willie will have even fewer TD's than last season. Plus they have THE toughest schedule in the NFL. That line will hurt em if it isn't addressed asap.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Screw a WR, Rothlisberger is not that great. He throws a ton of int's and this season he said it's gonna be even more pass oriented. If they don't get a GOOD replacement for Faneca he'll be getting sacked tons and Willie will have even fewer TD's than last season. Plus they have THE toughest schedule in the NFL. That line will hurt em if it isn't addressed asap.

Yea, I would rather them somebody for the line first... then a WR later.. but Ben not that great?!?! The only bad season he has had was the one wit all the injures.
how can 32TDs 11INT 104.1 RATING not be good? Other than that bad season the highest INT he threw was 11 and that was his rookie season also throwin' 17 TD's which is understandable. But I still think he is a very good QB And I'm happy wit the contract he got... but anyways I totally agree wit u for get some linemen first. But the thing 'bout it in the draft is, all the good linemen will be taken by the 14th pick. Thats atleast 5 or 6 linemen taken. I say if there is a good linemen we can take then take it, but if not, take the best person available.

[Joker]

Ryan wont get passed Maimi,Parcells will draft him and have the franchise QB he needs to start turning the team around.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Ryan wont get passed Maimi,Parcells will draft him and have the franchise QB he needs to start turning the team around.

That won't happen... they aren't done wit John Beck yet.

anyways Joker ur a vikings fan right... u hear 'bout the vikings might be gettin' DE Jarrod Allen from the Chiefs? I think the vikings will give up their 3rd and 1st round picks... but that part I could be wrong.

[Joker]

I would love that trade if Allen can keep off the sauce.
And Beck is like 35 years old.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I would love that trade if Allen can keep off the sauce.
And Beck is like 35 years old.

hahaha he's like 27. But they aren't done workin' wit him yet. They won't draft a QB first. They have other spots to fill.

[steelba]

This draft is deep with lineman. Sure Jake long will be gone but, Gosder Cherilus, Chris Williams, Brandon Albert, Jeff Otah, Ryan Clady, are all first rounders. No doubt PIT can draft one of them.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

yea Gosder Cherilus is who they r lookin' at... the rest will be gone.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

well, I just order my tickets for the Steelers game.

I'm goin' to the Dallas Cowboys Vs Pittsburgh Steelers Dec. 7th game.

I can't wait, it will be the 1st steelers game I've been too... Got good Seats, which they better be for 780 bucks.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

hate these mock drafts now... Not even gonna look at them now. Just saw a couple of days ago on espn by the draft ppl that the steelers r gonna take Jonathan Stwert... yea I wouldn't mind havin' him but shit just changes too much.

[Chief Falling Rock]

its BS the draft is on NFL network this year cuz you have to pay for that channel. Its ridiculous because all you gotta do is get online for updates as its happening

[IKickAssForTheLord]

WTF?!? no way... I didn't know it was on NFL network? u sure its not on espn?

[IKickAssForTheLord]

its BS the draft is on NFL network this year cuz you have to pay for that channel. Its ridiculous because all you gotta do is get online for updates as its happening

okay u just scared the shit out of me... but I just checked and the draft is on epsn...3pm. was gonna geez, the draft was on epsn last year why change it now.

[steelba]

It was on NFL network last year, I watched it.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

it's also on ESPN. thank god... Fuck NFL Network bunch of chumps!

[steelba]

The NFL network doesn't charge people, it's the cable service providers. NFL had a petition against charging for their channel last year. I got the emails from NFL.com

So screw the greedy cable companies if you wanna be accurate.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

The NFL network doesn't charge people, it's the cable service providers. NFL had a petition against charging for their channel last year. I got the emails from NFL.com

So screw the greedy cable companies if you wanna be accurate.

well I do wanna be accurate. So the cable companies r a bunch of chumps. Thanks for the clear up.

[steelba]

:lol:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

WEll, The Dolphins have drafted Jake Long... well not drafted him yet but they already gave him a contract, so thats who they r gonna draft.

[steelba]

Was gonna post that but forgot to.

****Breaking News****
Shaun Alexander has just been released by the Seahawks :cheerlead

[steelba]

Jared Allen has been traded to the Vikings for their 1st round pick, and two 3rd round picks. Plus they flip flop sixth round picks.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

hahaha yea I saw that.

And this is for the viking fans... They just got J Allen from the chiefs, for a #1 and 2 #3 picks... not a bad deal... Now Allen is the highest paid D player. 70 somethin' million and 31 guarteen (that sp is so wrong haha).

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Jared Allen has been traded to the Vikings for their 1st round pick, and two 3rd round picks. Plus they flip flop sixth round picks.

oh u fucker!! I didn't see the 10th page!

[Knight]

Another overhyped offseason move by the Minnesota Vikings. There is no way Allen is worth what he's getting.

[steelba]

Jared Allen has yet to record a 4th quater sack. Kinda crazy if you think about it.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Jared Allen has yet to record a 4th quater sack. Kinda crazy if you think about it.

didn't know that... Anyways I think that trade was crazy anyways.

[Joker]

This is a great move by the Vikings,they were going to use their first round pick on a DE anyways,and they havent had much luck in the past few years when drafting a DE,so why not pick up a proven player.


I also expect the Cheifs to put Larry Johnson up for trade too.

[skybrick]

Its kinda cool to compare the Vikes and the Twins.
Vikes management, like to shop, could go with pacman and make it rain at some clubs.
Twins on the other hand, if they hear the word contract from one of their players, will trade them or say get the fuck out.

[Joker]

Twins on the other hand, if they hear the word contract from one of their players, will trade them or say get the fuck out.

I only hope one day this will change.

[Revenant]

Was gonna post that but forgot to.

****Breaking News****
Shaun Alexander has just been released by the Seahawks :cheerlead

I wouldn't be suprised if the Bears give him a call, no way they can fill all their offensive needs at the draft in one year and I honestly wouldn't mind him splitting carries with benson for a year. Granted at the same time if Alexander doesn't find a bit of second life with a new team we are in for double the suck with the running game.


Another overhyped offseason move by the Minnesota Vikings. There is no way Allen is worth what he's getting.

hey the vikes paid Bernard Berrian 7 million or so a year, so I'm sure overpaying shouldn't be a problem, at least JA is a better deal.

[Max Payne]

If Mccfaden drops to NE, I think its obvious they take him and then trade him but Id much rather keep him and trade Maroney, Maroney isnt terrible, but Mccfaden I think has a higher roof and is worth more.

But that wont happen.

Also I dont care how good you are, but if your taking a OG first overall, there has to be better options for your team, wether thats in the draft of trading away, this is just like the Jets two years ago, its kind of a joke.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

OT

[ReD]

Word on the local shows today is Shaun Alexander is interested in coming here. Hopefully Belichick and Pioli arent foolish enough to take a flyer on a broken down RB.

RB's at best last 4-5 years post draft with only the true HOF backs lasting longer than that and Alexander would be nothing more than a goaline back here. Plus Sammy Morris was fine before the injury. Rather stick with Maroney, Faulk and Morris.

[steelba]

I wouldn't be suprised if the Bears give him a call, no way they can fill all their offensive needs at the draft in one year and I honestly wouldn't mind him splitting carries with benson for a year. Granted at the same time if Alexander doesn't find a bit of second life with a new team we are in for double the suck with the running game.

You better hope Chicago doesn't pick him up. He needs to retire, like immediatly.
Same goes for NE, they better stear clear.

[Max Payne]

NE isnt interested in him, he just threw it out there to try and draw some kind of interest.

NE needs to concentrate on defense, there already set on offense.

[steelba]

NE's team is so old, probably have a big drop off next season.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I really don't see the Pats doin' that great, yea playoffs but nothin' else.

[steelba]

To many good teams in the AFC that will copy the Giants bluprint to success.
Pats will go like 11-5 even with that easy schedule. I am thinking all off those old ass players will be worn out by December. Thus leading to NE getting thumped in the playoffs.
Jacksonville and SD should be contenders in the AFC next year.

[Max Payne]

steelba, the best coach and best qb are a lock for 10 wins.

Id bet you anything they get more then 11 wins, ya as of today, there defense is shit, for the most part but that obviously means nothing until playoff time.

Id say, 12 wins are a lock but 13 or 14 is where Ill be prolly be making my final predictions come September.

[steelba]

Brady is the best QB, but Billacheat is only good with a camera.

[ReD]

The Giants 'blueprint' for success is one that not many teams have the ability to do.

Pressure with the front 4 only is and was the only way teams had success against the Pats last year.

Baltimore, Indy until they got tired as well as the Giants and San Diego. The Eagles needed to blitz so that doesnt count except they have always had one of the best blitz's in the league.

Not gonna say they wont have a dropoff or not. Only thing to say is they havent dropped off yet as people have predicted for afew years now. Hell the sad thing is by the time season starts and gets under way. The SB winners will be put under the radar like the Colts were last year and all the focus will shift right back to the Pats as a result of ESPN, other media outlets and other haters alike.

Granted last year alot of that focus was 16-0, 19-0 and spygate. I'd hope with the fact that they lost this past SB. The media will instead focus on the champs rather than a runnerup. Hell look at the Bears, after Week 4 or so. Who really cared about the Bears mediawise outside of Chicago last year.

As far as spygate goes. The truth will be revealed soon as Matt Walsh and the NFL have agreed to meet. All the evidence will be turned over and it wont be destroyed and only two things will result.

More penalties and possible suspension for Belichick or sheer embarassment for Matt Walsh's party and a waste of time of an investigation for the NFL going through all the hurdles they have with Walsh to this point. All parties including the Pats have agreed to this meeting.

Spygate for all intent and purposes should be done with by the time the season starts because this meeting with Matt Walsh should be the key point in the whole saga. Unless another fruitcake comes forward with yet unproven information

May 14 I believe.

People will say what they want either way of course.

[Max Payne]

The Pats will be the focus of attention as long as this Walsh guy keeps dropping "news" everytime something noteworth happens in the NFL, last time right before the SB this time right before the draft.

Just because the NFL isnt going to sue him over theft of NFL property doesnt mean the state of MA isnt going to prosecute him for illegaly taping conversations between him and Pioli.

If this shit doesnt go away and indeed gets worse then I expect the Pats to just drop all bombs on everything thats going on in the NFL.


Red is wrong in thinking the spy gate thing will be over on May 14th, it ended in September 2007, whats going on now is ESPN pretending to be a real news provider and think that what they provide the fans is something more then sports. Walsh is going to have to provide something more then what we know, what we already know is the Pats taped the Jets and have been taping for a while. I guess this means two things, either the Pats are really good at cheating (I guess a camera on there sidelines pointed to the other sidelines is way to conspicious for NFL personal) or that every one does something one way or another and people keep there mouths shut on it.

And to be on topic, I know that the NFL draft has gone from 15 to 10 minutes waiting but did they have to change the damn time to 3, it makes the time change completely useless.

[steelba]

Just 1 more day and it's here :drunks:

[Joker]

:drunks:


Now if QB Chad Henne,Brian Brohm or S Kenny Philips or a quality OT can fall to the Vikes at 47 I will be one happy camper this year.

[ReD]

Talk of Miami wanting another first round pick and to do that they might part ways with Jason Taylor in hopes that some team will take him for a first round pick. By the same token, rumors are flying that the Pats want out of the first round. Cant really speculate but it wouldnt surprise me if BB and Parcells are atleast contemplating a deal where they would give them that 7th pick in exchange for Taylor and maybe a late round pick.

It would be a cost saving measure if the Pats persue that route as first round money is extravagently high in recent years, especially garaunteed money. Why pay high for an unproven rookie when you can trade out and make a move later.

[Revenant]

Well I guess this relates to the NFL so if anyone is curious, Brett Favre has been chosen to be the cover player of this years Madden 2009. Now we just have to guess how the madden curse will continue...

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Just 1 more day and it's here :drunks:

:coolbeer: :drunks: Can't wait!!!! I'm gonna be drunk by 3 geez. Don't like drinkin' to early but I gotta now!

And hopefully brett farve doesn't die or somethin'... Then nobody will wanna be on the cover!

[3/6]

Well I guess this relates to the NFL so if anyone is curious, Brett Favre has been chosen to be the cover player of this years Madden 2009. Now we just have to guess how the madden curse will continue...

:die:
horrible, it woulda been str8 if he headnt retired..shoulda gave it to moss:D

or jon kitna

[steelba]

Madden 08 sucked, I wont be buying any more Madden games. Please bring back 2K.

Patriots allegedly signed TE Marcus Pollard to a 1 year deal.

[3/6]

madden 08 was awesome..u just suck at it..

fuck the 2k games

[IKickAssForTheLord]

madden 08 was awesome..u just suck at it..

fuck the 2k games

word, thats what I'm sayin'... Madden is the shit!

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Madden 08 sucked, I wont be buying any more Madden games. Please bring back 2K.

Patriots allegedly signed TE Marcus Pollard to a 1 year deal.

wasn't Marcus Pollard ur boy?

[steelba]

He was until he goy Steven's syndrome and started dropping balls like crazy.

Madden's graphics and weak gameplay don't even match up with 2k5's graphics and mechanics. I haven't bout a Madden game since the 2K got the shaft and tryed to like Madden 08. But after a few weeks I just felt regret for the purchase.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I just like Madden for PS2 or somethin'... The 360 and Ps3 game play is SOOO different... I've only played it a couple of times. gonna get a 360 soon so I better get use to it. but to be honest I don't think I've played a 2k game, so maybe I would like it, but don't know.

[3/6]

ive playd the 2k games on ps2, they were garbage..

nothing beats the gameplay for madden on PS2..
the 360 version is werid, but im startin to get the hang of it

[Revenant]

ESPN NFL 2k5= best NFL game I ever played, hands down.

but since EA has exclusivity all of us 2K fans have to make do. I bought last years Madden 08, its not perfect, but it still can be a lot of fun and from what I've heard so far 09 has a lot of interesting features being added.

Not like you have much of a choice when it comes to NFL football games, unless you want to play APF 2K8(possibly APF 2k9) or this game

http://backbreakergame.com/

the gameplay vid called tackle alley will give you a pretty good taste of what might be a surprising sleeper game this year.

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/5368.html

[Lucio Argento]

Tecmo Super Bowl = Best football game ever.

[Joker]

^^^^:nod: Man,that was a blast when I was a kid.

[Joker]

With the _____ selection in the 2008 NFL draft the ______ select______


So,fill in the blanks,who do you see your team selecting with their first pick.


I'm going with QB Chad Henne from Michigan for the Vikings first pick.

[Revenant]

I'm going with dissapointment in the 1st round for the bears followed by despair in the 2nd

hopefully they prove me wrong.

[3/6]

did any team pick up julius jones, from the cowboys??

boss and champ are on the same time :D

[steelba]

I'm going with dissapointment in the 1st round for the bears followed by despair in the 2nd

hopefully they prove me wrong.

I have the Bears taking an OL or a RB in the first.
I hope the Seahawks DON'T draft a TE in the first. I really want to see a DL or a WR in the first. Although alot of people have us taking Dustin Keller, if they don't trade draft picks for Jeremy Shockey. Even though Holmgren said after Stone Hands Stevens he'd never draft another TE in the 1st round.

[steelba]

did any team pick up julius jones, from the cowboys??

Seahawks signed Julius Jones and then booted Alexander. Sure JJ isn't that great but it's an instant improvement over Shaun :2far:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Mark my words steelba, that will work out for u.

[steelba]

Yeah he wont down himself behind the line of scrimmage.
90 minutes till the draft. Chris Long is the #2 pick by the Rams. It has been confirmed. Matt Ryan is suppose to be #3 for Atlanta according to everyone.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

gonna be packin' my bowl and watchin' the draft, can't wait!!! I hope Ryan goes to the Ravens. So The Steelers can show him what's up.

[steelba]

Ryan wont make it past Atlanta. Ravens might aswell get another top player and draft Flacco in the 2nd RD.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

And Let The Fun Begin!

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I can't wait til the draft gets past like pick 7... then I won't know exactly who they will pick.

[steelba]

I can't wait til the draft gets past like pick 7... then I won't know exactly who they will pick.
Yeah because of all the inside info I already knew the top 3 picks. Number 4 is Darren Mcfadden, then Glen Dorsey at #5 for KC. Last year it wasn't nearly this predictable. But atleast it moving alot faster :cheerlead

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yeah because of all the inside info I already knew the top 3 picks. Number 4 is Darren Mcfadden, then Glen Dorsey at #5 for KC. Last year it wasn't nearly this predictable. But atleast it moving alot faster :cheerlead

true dat... I like how it is faster... Jets fans didn't like that.

[steelba]

5 for 5 so far. Gholston next? Don't know who the Pats take.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

got some trades now geez

[steelba]

The Ravens to the Jags, wtf! Didn't see that coming.

[steelba]

Ryan wont make it past Atlanta. Ravens might aswell get another top player and draft Flacco in the 2nd RD.
Word is there gonna take Flacco late in the 1st now, man i'm good :D

[steelba]

Wow Jonathan Stewart went before Mendenhall, to Carolina. Crazy shit there.

[skybrick]

Wow Jonathan Stewart went before Mendenhall, to Carolina. Crazy shit there.

yeah I jumped on the Oregon banwagon this year. If Dixon didn't get injured they would have played LSU in the national championship game. He's good though. Who did Mendenhall play for?

[steelba]

He played the for University of Illinois, i think. Still can't believe Stewart was the 2nd RB taken.
I'm hoping and praying the Seahawks draft a WR, they need one badly because Deion Branch is a complete bust. He is already out for the first 8 weeks of the upcoming season.

[ReD]

Pats taking a ILB.

Bout time.

[steelba]

These trades are crazy! Hawks better not take a QB in the first round :cussing:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

now thats what I'm talkin' 'bout!!

[IKickAssForTheLord]

I think the titans took a reach. MAN I fuckin' love this, already buzzin'.

[steelba]

I want a WR so bad and Limas Sweed is the one I want, and what do we do, trade! FUCK FUCK FUCK:cussing:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yea thats what I was sayin' to my friend... if we get a WR I want Limas Sweed... guy is a beast. I think he will be one of the Best WR to come out of this draft.

[steelba]

I really wanted Sweed, this is not cool :mad:
I think i'm have DT's from lack of drinking all of the sudden :mad: :mad:
Oh man I'm pissed :cussing: :mad: :cussing:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Well I hope u get somebody u like... cuz I know I did... U have some good WR Left, thats where I think u guys might go.

[steelba]

Well I hope u get somebody u like... cuz I know I did... U have some good WR Left, thats where I think u guys might go.
Man I hope you're right. You guys got a steal imo.

[steelba]

Hawks are gonna trade down again :die:

[IKickAssForTheLord]

Yea I know right?!?! I was really stoked... thought they were gonna take a WR then I realize he was still on the board, so was glad they got him. Surprised nobody took a WR yet... Lets see what ur team picks?!

[IKickAssForTheLord]

oh ur not gonna be happy steelba