Couture or Fedor

[dead breed]

If these guys ever fight, who do you think would win? I personally think Fedor would win by submission. Fedor only lost 1 match (back in 2000) by TKO and thats because he was cut.

Here are the stats:


Name Randy Couture
Nick Name The Natural
Record 16 - 8 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Wins 7 (T)KOs (43.75%)
2 Submissions (12.50%)
7 Decisions (43.75%)
Losses 4 (T)KOs (50.00%)
4 Submissions (50.00%)
Association Xtreme Couture
Height 6'1 (185cm)
Weight 225lbs (102kg)
Style Greco-Roman Wrestling
Birth Date 6-22-1963
City Corvallis
State Oregon
Country USA


Name Fedor Emelianenko
Record 27 - 1 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw) ( 1 NC )
Wins 6 (T)KOs (22.22%)
14 Submissions (51.85%)
7 Decisions (25.93%)
Losses 1 (T)KOs (100.00%)
Association Red Devil Sport Club
Height 6'0 (183cm)
Weight 233lbs (106kg)
Style Sambo / Judo
Birth Date 9/28/1976
Country Russia


Here's Randy calling out Fedor.

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[Driden]

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[IKickAssForTheLord]

LOL wtf

[Freddy316]

Depends if the fight takes place in a cage or a ring. In the cage I think Randy would have the advantage, in a ring Fedor would.

[Apocalypse]

The UFC had been trying to sign fedor for awhile now and like I told most people fedor will price himself out, so he won't have to come in and be proven a fraud like most of the pride fighters already have. Low and behold he priced himself out.

[Driden]

I told most people fedor will price himself out, so he won't have to come in and be proven a fraud like most of the pride fighters already have. Low and behold he priced himself out.

Most of you UFC fans only don't know shit and just make yourselves look foolish. Even joe Rogan knows what's up. Listen to this

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[Lucio Argento]

Not just that, but what most of the morons don't know is that the UFC contract was complete bullshit. They wouldn't let Fedor compete ANYWHERE else. I'm not talking about other fight leagues, I'm talking about the Sambo tournaments, etc. that Fedor loves to participate in. Also, the UFC would not allow Fedor to retire undefeated due to yet another clause in the contract. Read up on it before you make ignorant comments. Morons.

[dead breed]

Not just that, but what most of the morons don't know is that the UFC contract was complete bullshit. They wouldn't let Fedor compete ANYWHERE else. I'm not talking about other fight leagues, I'm talking about the Sambo tournaments, etc. that Fedor loves to participate in. Also, the UFC would not allow Fedor to retire undefeated due to yet another clause in the contract. Read up on it before you make ignorant comments. Morons.

Where did you read this at? So...they'll make him lose a fight before he retires? Sounds kinda odd to me.

[Highwayman]

Most of you UFC fans only don't know shit and just make yourselves look foolish. Even joe Rogan knows what's up. Listen to this

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:D

[steelba]

Internet hype. Fedor would lose to Randy imo. If not why not take a fight with him?

[Lucio Argento]

Where did you read this at? So...they'll make him lose a fight before he retires? Sounds kinda odd to me.


There was some kind of clause that he couldn't retire with the title or something like that. That means he'd have to eventually lose to someone in order to be able to retire.

[Lucio Argento]

Internet hype. Fedor would lose to Randy imo. If not why not take a fight with him?


Do you know anything about what's going on? K-1 wants to collaborate with the UFC to make the fight happen. Randy wants the UFC to collaborate with K1, but Dana White doesn't want to.

[steelba]

Randy can just go sign up with whoever Fedor fights with and get it going.

[Driden]

Randy can just go sign up with whoever Fedor fights with and get it going.

Soo that makes Randy the problem doesn't it and not Fedor? Fedor is in contract with M1. Randy is a free agent. Randy supposedly doesn't care for money just wants Fedor for his last fight before he retires, then why doesn't he sign with M1 at a low reasonable price and get a shot at him? Randy had 1 fight left on his contract he quit the UFC, and his belt because Dana didn't respect him? I saw the press conference he was bitching and moaning about fight bonuses he never got. what kind of shit is this? and what does that have to do with respect? dude, you got your ass kicked at HW and you dropped to LHW, you got your ass kicked by Liddell and retired you. You come back to HW against a guy much bigger than him and demanded respect?

Then after Cro Cop and NOG come into the UFC Randy bails and says theres no competition in the UFC for him so since Dana can't get Fedor he has no reason to stay. whatever.

[steelba]

Cro Cop got beat up twice in a row, he's through. Shogun got smacked, and Fedor would get smacked in the UFC as well. He's not the almighty people :2far:

[Driden]

Cro Cop got beat up twice in a row, he's through. Shogun got smacked, and Fedor would get smacked in the UFC as well. He's not the almighty people :2far:

Who exactly is going to beat him? Ex Pride Champion NOG is your UFC champ now and NOG cannot beat Fedor. Everyone else at HW can't even beat Sylvia. Shogun was never a Pride LHW champion. You can't say shit about Shogun. He smashed Rampage who in turn smashed Chuck Liddell twice. Shogun is for real. He beat 4 top ten fighters the year he won the GP. You think because someone loses they = shit. Everyone loses.

Styles make matches. irony is Fedor the guy who's never lost in his career (I don't count illegal moves) you are so quick to discredit because he doesn't fight for the UFC.

btw Fedor won in the latest Sambo tourney 3 quick subs

sounds like you have a thing against Pride. Well, let's look at who's champion in the UFC shall we?


HW - NOG Ex Pride Champion
LHW - Rampage ex top contender in Pride
MW - Anderson Silva ex Pride Fighter
WW - Matt Serra/GSP
LW - BJ Penn/Sherk

Seems like Pride > UFC. 3 of the 5 UFC belts are held by Pride fighters.

As for Cro Cop I never liked him. ever since Fedor beat his ass he's never been the same. in the GP he got the easy road and beat middleweights, then a tired Barnett. hardly an impressive showing, then he came to the UFC and took forever putting away a can, and got beat twice. Heath Herring has sucked for years his beat weapon is knees from the north/south position which you can't do in the UFC. Shogun's best weapons soccer kicks and stomps you can't do in the UFC. So its only natural they aren't as good in the UFC. Kind of like taking a wrestling and moving him into a boxing ring and telling him he can't do takedowns

[Freddy316]

Seems like Pride > UFC

If Pride is greater then the UFC then why is the UFC still around while Pride is extinct? The fact of the matter is that the UFC has all of the top fighters. It doesn't matter that Rampage, Silva etc. were ex-Pride fighters - they are currently UFC fighters. What happened when the all mighty Pride fighter Shogun made his UFC debut? He got owned by Forrest Griffin. What happened when the Pride LHW Champion Dan Henderson came in to fight the UFC LHW Champion Rampage in a title-unification fight? The UFC champ won. Hendo got owned. What happened when former Pride champ Wanderlei Silva fought Chuck Liddell? Liddell won. Cro Cop hasn't even been impressive in the UFC. As for Fedor, he's a great fighter no doubt - quite possibly the best in the world, but given the past of Pride fighters not performing well in the UFC, I don't think it's a given that he would dominate in the UFC since the level of competition in the UFC is higher then other organizations like K1, EliteXC, and the now extinct Pride. Also, there are different rules in the UFC which may effect how a fighter fights, plus fighting in a cage is a lot different then fighting in a ring which also has an effect on fighters which is why I think if Randy Couture fought Fedor in a cage, Randy would have the advantage. Randy is the master of using the cage to his advantage, just ask Gabriel Gonzaga.

[steelba]

If Pride is greater then the UFC then why is the UFC still around while Pride is extinct?
:nod:

[dead breed]

If Pride is greater then the UFC then why is the UFC still around while Pride is extinct? The fact of the matter is that the UFC has all of the top fighters. It doesn't matter that Rampage, Silva etc. were ex-Pride fighters - they are currently UFC fighters. What happened when the all mighty Pride fighter Shogun made his UFC debut? He got owned by Forrest Griffin. What happened when the Pride LHW Champion Dan Henderson came in to fight the UFC LHW Champion Rampage in a title-unification fight? The UFC champ won. Hendo got owned. What happened when former Pride champ Wanderlei Silva fought Chuck Liddell? Liddell won. Cro Cop hasn't even been impressive in the UFC. As for Fedor, he's a great fighter no doubt - quite possibly the best in the world, but given the past of Pride fighters not performing well in the UFC, I don't think it's a given that he would dominate in the UFC since the level of competition in the UFC is higher then other organizations like K1, EliteXC, and the now extinct Pride. Also, there are different rules in the UFC which may effect how a fighter fights, plus fighting in a cage is a lot different then fighting in a ring which also has an effect on fighters which is why I think if Randy Couture fought Fedor in a cage, Randy would have the advantage. Randy is the master of using the cage to his advantage, just ask Gabriel Gonzaga.

He means the Pride fighters are better. The fighters make an organization I remind you.

Even if they fight in the UFC now, they spent most of their career in Pride first.

Gonzaga got lucky with his kick and got a title shot. You can easily tell the UFC were setting up Randy and Cro Cop but Gonzaga got that lucky kick in and fucked things up lol

[Driden]

If Pride is greater then the UFC then why is the UFC still around while Pride is extinct?

If you are basing both orgs by longevity sure but who does that? when you talk about superiority especially in a sport you don't talk about management, GM, Coaches do you? No, you talk about the players. So, if some hole in the wall in Brasil continues for many centuries and UFC goes out of business this year by your statement that little hole with C class fighters was better? lol.



The fact of the matter is that the UFC has all of the top fighters.

bullshit. Where's Fedor? Filho? Misaki? Akiyama? Trigg? Shields? Aoki? Condit? Melendez? Gomi? Ishida? Kawajiri? Ribeiro? Faber? Tamaura? Yamamoto? Calvancante? and so on


It doesn't matter that Rampage, Silva etc. were ex-Pride fighters - they are currently UFC fighters.

Did I say they weren't UFC fighters? I merely pointed out the old Pride fighters are in control of the UFC's belts. The only reason I stated that was because Steelba seemed to have something against pride.


What happened when the all mighty Pride fighter Shogun made his UFC debut?

Shogun has 2 surgeries (arm, and knee), moved, got new trainer and training partners and had to deal with new rules which didn't benefit him. suffice to say he wasn't in shape.



What happened when the Pride LHW Champion Dan Henderson came in to fight the UFC LHW Champion Rampage in a title-unification fight?

why bring this up? They're both Pride fighters? Hendo is a MW dude AND he was a UFC champion before he went to Pride and became a Champ there, so techinically a Pride fighter (rampage) beat a UFC fighter (Hendo) and before you spin it and say Hendo a UFC fighter dominated Pride there was many what felt like fixed decisions they even called him Decision Dan and he lost his belt before Pride went under. Hendo also he went up in weight to fight Rampage.


Hendo got owned.

Yeah, because losing a decision is being owned huh? give me a break. stop lying to make your case look better


What happened when former Pride champ Wanderlei Silva fought Chuck Liddell? Liddell won.

And? I guess ya forgot Silva fought in the UFC before Pride. Remember his classic tko from Vitor? I guess not?


the level of competition in the UFC is higher
LOL


Also, there are different rules in the UFC which may effect how a fighter fights, plus fighting in a cage is a lot different then fighting in a ring which also has an effect on fighters which is why I think if Randy Couture fought Fedor in a cage, Randy would have the advantage. Randy is the master of using the cage to his advantage, just ask Gabriel Gonzaga.

The rules only effect those like Shogun who relied on stomps and soccer kicks to KO his opponents, that's now gone. It does nothing to people like Fedor. DUDE Randy's ass himself said FEDOR has no weakness. Forrest said he wanted Shogun because he knew he wasn't ready nor was he ready for the rules. Cro Cop wasn't ready either. You can even see it in his face when Gonzanga elbowed him

Fedor has more power
Fedor has quicker hands
Fedor has better subs
Fedor is stronger
Fedor has taken/dropped and out wrestled better wrestlers than Randy
Fedor has better chin
Fedor has better recoup
Fedor is relentless unlike slow ass Sylvia or Liddell's pace

I am 100% confident in Fedor over Randy

LOL I just remembered Couture vs Van Arsdale.. it took him like 1hr to get that anaconda choke. he will not ko fedor, he will not out wrestle Fedor and he will never submit Fedor.

[dead breed]

I agree with everything you said. :coolbeer: Well put.

[Freddy316]

If you are basing both orgs by longevity sure but who does that? when you talk about superiority especially in a sport you don't talk about management, GM, Coaches do you? No, you talk about the players. So, if some hole in the wall in Brasil continues for many centuries and UFC goes out of business this year by your statement that little hole with C class fighters was better? lol.
If that little hole in the wall in Brazil achieved the same level of worldwide success as the UFC, and was directly responsible for the UFC going out of business then yeah I guess it would have to be better. I don't know about you, but I don't see that happening.


bullshit. Where's Fedor? Filho? Misaki? Akiyama? Trigg? Shields? Aoki? Condit? Melendez? Gomi? Ishida? Kawajiri? Ribeiro? Faber? Tamaura? Yamamoto? Calvancante? and so on
Okay, I stand corrected. The UFC doesn't have all the top fighters, just most of them. By the way, some of those on that list fight in the WEC which is owned by Zuffa, the same company that owns the UFC.


Did I say they weren't UFC fighters? I merely pointed out the old Pride fighters are in control of the UFC's belts. The only reason I stated that was because Steelba seemed to have something against pride.
It doesn't matter that they were old Pride fighters. All that matters is that they are current UFC fighters. Stop living in the past man.


Shogun has 2 surgeries (arm, and knee), moved, got new trainer and training partners and had to deal with new rules which didn't benefit him. suffice to say he wasn't in shape.
And what's the excuse going to be after Liddell beats his ass at UFC 85? :D


why bring this up? They're both Pride fighters? Hendo is a MW dude AND he was a UFC champion before he went to Pride and became a Champ there, so techinically a Pride fighter (rampage) beat a UFC fighter (Hendo) and before you spin it and say Hendo a UFC fighter dominated Pride there was many what felt like fixed decisions they even called him Decision Dan and he lost his belt before Pride went under. Hendo also he went up in weight to fight Rampage.
Yeah, well now they are both UFC fighters. :D


Yeah, because losing a decision is being owned huh? give me a break. stop lying to make your case look better
Hendo looked like crap in that fight. My opinion.


Fedor has more power
Fedor has quicker hands
Fedor has better subs
Fedor is stronger
Fedor has taken/dropped and out wrestled better wrestlers than Randy
Fedor has better chin
Fedor has better recoup
Fedor is relentless unlike slow ass Sylvia or Liddell's pace

I agree with most of those. But I seriously doubt that Fedor can outwrestle Randy and I still think Randy would have the advantage in a caged fighting environment.

[dead breed]

After reading what you had to say regarding Driden's post....Driden just pwned your ass :D

[Freddy316]

After reading what you had to say regarding Driden's post....Driden just pwned your ass :D
Care to elaborate? It's okay to disagree, but at least say something to back it up. Or are you just waiting for Driden to speak for you?

[dead breed]

Basically this sums it up for me. There's nothing I can really say, but just go back and look at Driden's posts and yours.

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Driden Said this:
Quote:
Did I say they weren't UFC fighters? I merely pointed out the old Pride fighters are in control of the UFC's belts. The only reason I stated that was because Steelba seemed to have something against pride.

You said this:
It doesn't matter that they were old Pride fighters. All that matters is that they are current UFC fighters. Stop living in the past man.
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Those ex Pride fighters that are now kicking ass in the UFC got most of their experience with Pride. That remark you made to Driden's post just seemed stupid to me. "All that matters is that they are current UFC fighters"... No man, that's not all that matters lol They had a huge past with Pride before they went to the UFC.


For example:

It's like growing up from the age of 0-17 with Family A ... then you move in with Family B from the age of 18-20 before you move out on your own. What family would "most likely" influence and make you who you are today? Obviously it would be Family A.

Family A = Pride
Family B = UFC

[dead breed]

Let me know what you think about what I said.

[Freddy316]

Those ex Pride fighters that are now kicking ass in the UFC got most of their experience with Pride. That remark you made to Driden's post just seemed stupid to me. "All that matters is that they are current UFC fighters"... No man, that's not all that matters lol They had a huge past with Pride before they went to the UFC.


For example:

It's like growing up from the age of 0-17 with Family A ... then you move in with Family B from the age of 18-20 before you move out on your own. What family would "most likely" influence and make you who you are today? Obviously it would be Family A.

Family A = Pride
Family B = UFC
It wasn't "Pride" that made those ex-Pride fighters the fighters that they are. It is the fighters own individual training. The organization a fighter fights for doesn't make the fighter any better or worse then they already are. If an ex-Pride fighter goes to the UFC, it no longer matters that they were in Pride, all that matters is that they are in the UFC. I just find it silly when die-hard Pride fans start screaming out that so and so was from Pride. Who cares? Pride is gone and now the UFC has most of the top fighters.

[dead breed]

It wasn't "Pride" that made those ex-Pride fighters the fighters that they are. It is the fighters own individual training. The organization a fighter fights for doesn't make the fighter any better or worse then they already are. If an ex-Pride fighter goes to the UFC, it no longer matters that they were in Pride, all that matters is that they are in the UFC. I just find it silly when die-hard Pride fans start screaming out that so and so was from Pride. Who cares? Pride is gone and now the UFC has most of the top fighters.

Obviously it's the fighters training that helps make a fighter. But when I talk about Pride helping/making a fighter I'm referring to "in ring experience". Most of the ex Pride (current UFC) fighters gained this in Pride. And IMO that's what helped them have the upper hand in matches, and that's why most of the current UFC belts are held by ex Pride fighters.

IMO Pride was the best environment to gain in ring experience.

Sometimes in Pride some of the fighters are told they have a fight in a few weeks/even days and are told to get ready. But.. MOST of the matches in the UFC are planned well ahead of time. So the fighters have more time to get physically/mentally prepared. When you follow both Pride and the UFC you can see the difference between the 2 organizations. Trust me, I'm not some blinded Pride fan who doesn't follow the UFC. I know alot about 2 of these organizations and IMO Pride was the better stomping ground to go and look for a fight/gain in ring experience.

[dead breed]

If Pride is greater then the UFC then why is the UFC still around while Pride is extinct? The fact of the matter is that the UFC has all of the top fighters. It doesn't matter that Rampage, Silva etc. were ex-Pride fighters - they are currently UFC fighters. What happened when the all mighty Pride fighter Shogun made his UFC debut? He got owned by Forrest Griffin. What happened when the Pride LHW Champion Dan Henderson came in to fight the UFC LHW Champion Rampage in a title-unification fight? The UFC champ won. Hendo got owned. What happened when former Pride champ Wanderlei Silva fought Chuck Liddell? Liddell won. Cro Cop hasn't even been impressive in the UFC. As for Fedor, he's a great fighter no doubt - quite possibly the best in the world, but given the past of Pride fighters not performing well in the UFC, I don't think it's a given that he would dominate in the UFC since the level of competition in the UFC is higher then other organizations like K1, EliteXC, and the now extinct Pride. Also, there are different rules in the UFC which may effect how a fighter fights, plus fighting in a cage is a lot different then fighting in a ring which also has an effect on fighters which is why I think if Randy Couture fought Fedor in a cage, Randy would have the advantage. Randy is the master of using the cage to his advantage, just ask Gabriel Gonzaga.

That's an example of you not knowing what your talking about. Rampage is from Pride too...yes the " UFC champ won " But he was from Pride first. 2 ex Pride fighters faught. Just because Rampage was in the UFC a little longer then Henderson doesn't mean shit...they both have Pride wrote all over them. They both only had a few UFC fights. Jackson only joined the UFC in 2007 and he has been fighting since around 1999.

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He spent half of his career in Pride:

He gained "most" of his experience in Pride. He came to the UFC with the same skills he used the year before in Pride and dominated Liddell's ass ... again.

Win Dan Henderson Decision (Unanimous) UFC 75 - Champion vs. Champion 9/8/2007 5 5:00
Win Chuck Liddell TKO (Punches) UFC 71 - Liddell vs. Jackson 5/26/2007 1 1:53
Win Marvin Eastman KO (Punches) UFC 67 - All or Nothing 2/3/2007 2 3:49
Win Matt Lindland Decision (Split) WFA - King of the Streets 7/22/2006 3 5:00
Win Dong Sik Yoon Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 31 - Dreamers 2/26/2006 3 5:00
Win Hirotaka Yokoi TKO (Punches and Stomps) PRIDE 30 - Fully Loaded 10/23/2005 1 4:05
Loss Mauricio Rua KO (Strikes) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2005 4/23/2005 1 4:47
Win Murilo Rua Decision (Split) PRIDE 29 - Fists Of Fire 2/20/2005 3 5:00
Loss Wanderlei Silva KO PRIDE 28 - High Octane 10/31/2004 2 3:26
Win Ricardo Arona KO (Slam) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 7:32
Win Ikuhisa Minowa TKO (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2003 12/31/2003 2 1:05
Loss Wanderlei Silva TKO (Strikes) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2003 11/9/2003 1 6:28
Win Chuck Liddell TKO (Strikes) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2003 11/9/2003 2 3:10
Win Murilo Bustamante Decision (Split) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 3 5:00
Win Mikhail Illoukhine Submission (Strikes) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 6:26
Win Kevin Randleman TKO (Punches) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 1 6:58
Win Igor Vovchanchyn Submission (Injury) PRIDE 22 - Beasts From The East 2

[Driden]

It wasn't "Pride" that made those ex-Pride fighters the fighters that they are. It is the fighters own individual training. The organization a fighter fights for doesn't make the fighter any better or worse then they already are. If an ex-Pride fighter goes to the UFC, it no longer matters that they were in Pride, all that matters is that they are in the UFC. I just find it silly when die-hard Pride fans start screaming out that so and so was from Pride. Who cares? Pride is gone and now the UFC has most of the top fighters.

It does matter to some extent though. If someone say started their career in Pride and failed. say they had a mediocre career.. then they moved on to the UFC. Sure, one could say he matured, got better but on the other hand fans could easily say 'He couldn't hack it in Pride and is dominating the UFC. Therefore Pride is tougher than the UFC" statements like that are unavoidable. At the end of the day one can make a case for both sides but the only way to be sure is for every top fighter to fight eachother and until MMA is like boxing this wont happen.

Thankfully the UFC has a good amount of top fighters that we don't have to assume as much for sadly, for bantom, fly, feather, and light weight we still do.

The only thing that bothers me is when people rank fighters like Sherk or BJ Penn high on their lists when they don't deserve it.

I mean take BJ penn for instance. He hasn't found in years, best win at WW was Hughes years ago, he comes back loses to Hughes, loses to GSP, beats Jen Pulver who isn't even top 20 at LW and bj hasn't fought at LW in years and that's fine but people put him at #1 then he gets a title fight? I'm not bitching for the sake of it but that its not fair to top contenders

[Freddy316]

That's an example of you not knowing what your talking about. Rampage is from Pride too.
I know Rampage was from Pride. I even said that in my post. I said I don't think it matters though. Pride didn't make Rampage the fighter he is, and neither did the UFC. The fighter makes the fighter. I agree that a lot of fighters gained their expierience from fighting in Pride, but that doesn't mean the Pride organization was responsible for making that fighter. If Pride never existed, Rampage would have just fought somewhere else and would most likely still have been the same fighter he is today. Again, Pride may have helped, but ultimatley it is the fighter that makes the fighter.


It does matter to some extent though. If someone say started their career in Pride and failed. say they had a mediocre career.. then they moved on to the UFC. Sure, one could say he matured, got better but on the other hand fans could easily say 'He couldn't hack it in Pride and is dominating the UFC. Therefore Pride is tougher than the UFC" statements like that are unavoidable. At the end of the day one can make a case for both sides but the only way to be sure is for every top fighter to fight eachother and until MMA is like boxing this wont happen.
There are so many variables to consider when you have a situation like a mediocre Pride fighter doing great in the UFC, or a great Pride fighter not doing well in the UFC. A lot of it I think has to do with the different rules and fighting in a cage vs. fighting in a ring. Other variables include fighers gaining more expierience and training harder, or fighters not training as hard, injuries etc. Because of all the variables, making such a blanket statement like oh it must be that Pride had better fighters then the UFC or vice versa is just dumb in my opinion.


Thankfully the UFC has a good amount of top fighters that we don't have to assume as much for sadly, for bantom, fly, feather, and light weight we still do.
Agreed.


The only thing that bothers me is when people rank fighters like Sherk or BJ Penn high on their lists when they don't deserve it.

I mean take BJ penn for instance. He hasn't found in years, best win at WW was Hughes years ago, he comes back loses to Hughes, loses to GSP, beats Jen Pulver who isn't even top 20 at LW and bj hasn't fought at LW in years and that's fine but people put him at #1 then he gets a title fight? I'm not bitching for the sake of it but that its not fair to top contenders
This I agree with. There does seem to be bias for UFC fighters with a lot of the top 10 lists. BJ Penn is a great fighter, but I don't think he did enough to deserve to be called #1 on any list.

[dead breed]

Quote FreddyKruger316

I know Rampage was from Pride. I even said that in my post. I said I don't think it matters though. Pride didn't make Rampage the fighter he is, and neither did the UFC. The fighter makes the fighter. I agree that a lot of fighters gained their expierience from fighting in Pride, but that doesn't mean the Pride organization was responsible for making that fighter. If Pride never existed, Rampage would have just fought somewhere else and would most likely still have been the same fighter he is today. Again, Pride may have helped, but ultimatley it is the fighter that makes the fighter.
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I didn't say Pride was responsible for making a fighter. They just have a better atmosphere/surroundings/rules that is better to gain in ring experience. IMO