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Grendel
03-11-2008, 06:01 PM
Spitzer Is Linked to Prostitution Ring
By DANNY HAKIM and WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM

ALBANY - Gov. Eliot Spitzer, who gained national prominence relentlessly pursuing Wall Street wrongdoing, has been caught on a federal wiretap arranging to meet with a high-priced prostitute at a Washington hotel last month, according to a law enforcement official and a person briefed on the investigation.

The wiretap captured a man identified as Client 9 on a telephone call confirming plans to have a woman travel from New York to Washington, where he had reserved a hotel room, according to an affidavit filed in federal court in Manhattan. The person briefed on the case and the law enforcement official identified Mr. Spitzer as Client 9.

Mr. Spitzer, a first term Democrat, today made a brief public appearance during which he apologized for his behavior, and described it as a “private matter.” He did not address his political future.

“I have acted in a way that violates my obligation to my family and violates my or any sense of right or wrong,” said Mr. Spitzer, who appeared with his wife Silda at his Manhattan office. “I apologize first and most importantly to my family. I apologize to the public to whom I promised better.”

“I have disappointed and failed to live up to the standard I expected of myself. I must now dedicate some time to regain the trust of my family.”

Before speaking, Mr. Spitzer stood with his arm around his wife; the two nodded and then strode forward together to face more than 100 reporters. Both had glassy, tear-filled eyes, but they did not cry.

As he went to leave, three reporters called out, "Are you resigning? Are you resigning?", and Mr. Spitzer charged out of the room, slamming the door.

The governor learned that he had been implicated in the prostitution inquiry when a federal official contacted his staff Friday, according to the person briefed on the case.

The governor informed his top aides Sunday night and this morning of his involvement. He canceled his public events today and scheduled the announcement for this afternoon after inquiries from The Times. The governor’s aides appeared shaken before he spoke, and one of them began to weep as they waited for him to make his statement at his Manhattan office.

The Republican state party and a leading Republican legislator called for the governor to step down. James Tedisco, a Republican Assemblyman from Schenectady who has clashed loudly and publicly with Mr. Spitzer, called on the governor to step down if the allegations are true. “The governor who was going to bring ethics back to New York State, if he was involved insomething like this,” Mr. Tedisco said, “he’s got to leave. I don’t think there’s any question about that.”

As questions swirled about the Governor’s political future, a swarm of reporters gathered outside the office of Lt. Gov. David Paterson, who by law would become governor if Mr. Spitzer resigns. But his staffers provided no information.

The man described as Client 9 in the affidavit arranged to meet with a prostitute who was part of the ring, Emperors Club VIP, on the night of Feb. 13. Mr. Spitzer traveled to Washington that evening, according to a person told of his travel arrangements.

The affidavit says that Client 9 met with the woman in hotel room 871 but does not identify the hotel. Mr. Spitzer stayed at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington on Feb. 13, according to a source who was told of his travel arrangements. Room 871 at the Mayflower Hotel that evening was registered under the name George Fox.

The law enforcement official said that several people running the prostitution ring knew Mr. Spitzer by the name of George Fox, though a few of the prostitutes came to realize he was the governor of New York.

Mr. Fox is a friend and donor to Mr. Spitzer. Asked in a telephone interview Monday whether he accompanied Mr. Spitzer to Washington on Feb. 13 and Feb. 14, Mr. Fox responded: "Why would you think that? I did not.”

Told that the Room 871 at the Renaissance Mayflower Hotel was registered in Mr. Fox’s name but with Mr. Spitzer’s Fifth Avenue address, Mr. Fox said, "That is the first I have heard of it. Until I speak to the governor further, I have no comment."

Federal prosecutors rarely charge clients in prostitution cases, which are generally seen as state crimes. But the Mann Act, passed by Congress in 1910 to address prostitution, human trafficking and what was viewed at the time as immorality in general, makes it a crime to transport someone between states for the purpose of prostitution. The four defendants charged in the case unsealed last week were all charged with that crime, along with several others.

Mr. Spitzer had a difficult first year in office, rocked by a mix of scandal and legislative setbacks. In recent weeks, however, Mr. Spitzer seemed to have rebounded, with his Democratic party poised to perhaps gain control of the state Senate for the first time in four decades.

Though his signature issue was pursuing Wall Street misdeeds, as attorney general Mr. Spitzer also had prosecuted at least two prostitution rings as head of the state’s organized crime task force.

In one such case in 2004, Mr. Spitzer spoke with revulsion and anger after announcing the arrest of 16 people for operating a high-end prostitution ring out of Staten Island.

“This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multitiered management structure,” Mr. Spitzer said at the time. “It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring.”

Albany for months has been roiled by bitter fighting and accusations of dirty tricks. The Albany County district attorney is set to issue in the coming days the results of his investigation into Mr. Spitzer’s first scandal, his aides’ involvement in an effort to tarnish Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno, the state’s top Republican.

On the second floor of the capitol, aides and staffers to Mr. Spitzer knew something was wrong Monday morning, as Mr. Spitzer’s schedule began to change and planned meetings and appearances were canceled. But Mr. Paterson, the lieutenant governor who would succeed Mr. Spitzer in the event of a resignation, only learned of the allegations at midday, from an aide to the governor. The rest of the executive chamber was formally informed at a 6 P.M. general staff meeting, said one official who was present, where Richard Baum, the governor’s top aide, made no mention of a resignation and urged his colleagues to keep their heads down and continue as best they could with the day-to-day work of state government.

Under the state constitution, should Mr. Spitzer resign, Mr. Paterson, the lieutenant governor would serve the remainder of the Governor’s term.

Mr. Paterson’s current office would remain unfilled until the 2010 election, as the constitution makes no provision for filling a vacancy in the lieutenant governor’s office. Under those circumstances, Joseph L. Bruno, is the Republican majority leader and temporary president of the state senate, would "perform all the duties of the lieutenant-governor" until a new one is elected in 2010.

Those duties include acting as governor when the nominal office-holder is out of the state. Moreover, should Mr. Spitzer resign and if Mr. Paterson were unwilling or unable to take his place, Mr. Bruno would become acting governor—a possibility that would hold special irony, given the vicious and ongoing battles between Mr. Bruno and Mr. Spitzer over the last year.Knucklehead.

Kind of odd that they'd invoke something as archaic as the Mann Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act) in relation to a modern case involving two consenting adults.

Lucio Argento
03-11-2008, 06:32 PM
I'm still in shock. Maybe if Spitzer didn't act like such a self-righteous douchebag all the time, he wouldn't catch as much heat as he has. A guy who runs his campaign on being clean turns out to be the biggest hypocrite.

I've never been one to condemn people for prostitution. As Grendel said, it's 2 consenting adults. However, when someone like this gets caught and a big story is made of it, I smile a bit inside.

WarBeast
03-11-2008, 11:56 PM
Maybe if the politicians would get their heads out of their asses and just legalize prostitution, they wouldn't have to worry about getting busted with prostitutes... seems like common sense to me..

Highwayman
03-12-2008, 12:35 AM
I was watching Letterman tonight and when he was talking about this guy he'd say "Banging Whores". I'm telling ya, the Late Show is where it's at!

WarBeast
03-12-2008, 01:17 AM
I was watching Letterman tonight and when he was talking about this guy he'd say "Banging Whores". I'm telling ya, the Late Show is where it's at!

The top ten list was pretty damn funny tonight... Wolfe Blitzer calls the governor and asks him if he wants to do a hot Spitzer-Blitzer Threesome... LOL

Lucio Argento
03-12-2008, 01:53 AM
Maybe if the politicians would get their heads out of their asses and just legalize prostitution, they wouldn't have to worry about getting busted with prostitutes... seems like common sense to me..


I definitely agree with that. Legalize it everywhere like it is in Nevada.

Joker
03-12-2008, 10:07 AM
Jesse Ventura wanted to legalize prostitution when he was Governor of MN.
I remember he kept going on about how he used to visit prostitutes,and how the state could benefit by taxing it.

If he would have legalized it,I might not be married today,and would be extremely broke.:mhehe:

Grendel
03-12-2008, 09:25 PM
Maybe if the politicians would get their heads out of their asses and just legalize prostitution, they wouldn't have to worry about getting busted with prostitutes... seems like common sense to me..Looks like ol' Spitz will have plenty of time on his hands to take care of any of his hobbies:


NEW YORK (CNN) -- Gov. Eliot Spitzer said Wednesday that he will step down from the state's top office because he cannot allow his "private failings to disrupt the public's work."

"I am deeply sorry that I did not live up to what was expected of me," he said at a brief news conference announcing his intention to resign, effective Monday. "I will try once again outside of politics to serve the common good."

With his wife, Silda, at his side, he added, "Our greatest glory consists not in never falling but in rising every time we fall."

The announcement came as the New York governor faces allegations -- but no charges -- that he is tied to an international prostitution ring ensnared in a federal investigation.

Spitzer's lawyers were in discussions Wednesday with the U.S. attorney's office in New York, trying to negotiate a plea deal to avoid prosecution, a source said.

However, U.S. Attorney Michael Garcia in New York issued a statement saying, "There is no agreement between this office and Gov. Eliot Spitzer relating to his resignation or any other matter."

Spitzer, a former state attorney general whose reputation as a scourge of white-collar crime propelled him to the governor's office in 2006, has faced calls for his resignation since apologizing for a personal indiscretion Monday. He has not elaborated. See a timeline of Spitzer's life »

In his Wednesday announcement, Spitzer said, "Over the course of my public life, I have insisted -- I believe correctly -- that people, regardless of their position or power, take responsibility for their conduct. I can and will ask no less of myself." VideoWatch Spitzer say his "failings" led him to resign »

On Monday, prosecutors unsealed an affidavit detailing a rendezvous in a Washington hotel room last month as part of a federal prostitution investigation. The affidavit refers only to "Client 9," but a source told CNN on Monday that the reference was to Spitzer. View a gallery of recent political sex scandals »

Sources said Spitzer spent more than $15,000 for several encounters with prostitutes. Sources revealed Wednesday that Spitzer is thought to have begun patronizing the prostitution outfit, known as the Emperors Club, eight months ago and had used its services on at least eight occasions.

Both Republicans and Democrats had called for him to leave office.

"Eliot knows he cannot hold onto his job here. He might want to, but he is absolutely aware of his predicament," a Democratic source said Tuesday.

Lt. Gov. David Paterson, 53, will become the first black governor in the state and the fourth in U.S. history. The former state Senate minority leader, who is legally blind, is the son of Basil Paterson, a longtime Democratic operative in New York City.

In a statement after Spitzer's announcement, Paterson called the governor a friend and said he was saddened by the news surfacing this week.

"My heart goes out to him and to his family at this difficult and painful time," Paterson said. "It is now time for Albany to get back to work as the people of this state expect from us."

Spitzer, 48, took office in January 2007 after eight years as the state's attorney general, rising to national prominence. He built his career on rooting out public corruption and became a national figure with a series of high-profile Wall Street investigations. He also prosecuted prostitution rings. VideoWatch how Wall Street views Spitzer scandal »

Spitzer is married with three daughters.

Sources said a federal money-laundering investigation led agents to Spitzer.

A 47-page affidavit details arrangements for a nearly 2˝-hour rendezvous between Client 9 and a prostitute identified only as "Kristen" at a Washington hotel in February. A source identified the hotel as the Mayflower. VideoWatch breakdown of key dates in Spitzer scandal »

The woman is a 22-year-old would-be singer from New Jersey, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

The newspaper said Ashley Youmans, now known as Ashley Alexandra Dupre, was identified in court documents as Kristen.

A grand jury in New York is likely to hear evidence in the case soon, said Kathleen Mullin, an attorney who said she represents one of the ring's employees.

Mullin would not identify her client but said she was not the "Kristen" who court papers linked to Spitzer. She said her client and other women who worked for the Emperors Club have been asked to testify before the grand jury.

Asked whether her client had any encounters with Spitzer, Mullin said, "We have no information regarding the governor."

The affidavit alleges that Client 9 paid for the prostitute to travel from New York to Washington. The Mann Act makes it a federal offense to take someone across state lines for the purpose of prostitution.

The Emperors Club, for which officials said the prostitute worked, charged between $1,000 and $5,500 an hour and operated in New York; Los Angeles, California; Miami, Florida; London, England; and Paris, France, according to court papers released by prosecutors last week.

Authorities learned more about the inner workings of the prostitution ring by using wiretaps and accessing text messages, according to the affidavit.

Grendel
03-12-2008, 09:29 PM
Jesse Ventura wanted to legalize prostitution when he was Governor of MN.
I remember he kept going on about how he used to visit prostitutes,and how the state could benefit by taxing it.Sales tax here in MI is 6%.

At $5000 a throw, that's $300 for the state's coffers. Granted, they'd probably have to come up with some sort of separate "services tax," but you're talking about a shitload of cash for cops, potholes, schools, etc.

JerkyPuck
03-13-2008, 01:37 AM
When will they learn??? I think it has to be some kind of addiction or something. There is no way a non-addicted person would risk that.

Knight
03-13-2008, 01:59 AM
Whores, politicians...what's the difference.

Both are happy to take your money before they fuck you.

GruesomeDuece
03-13-2008, 03:36 PM
I believe a problem with legalizing prostitution is that they would probably leave regulation up to each state, and there are some states would epically fail at this (like my own, that fails at everything). Not to mention the cost of the screenings, doctors, time, etc. etc. After it's all said and done, each state has maybe a little extra money at most.

Not to mention most people will see it as another step towards the degradation of society. I could care less. I'd love to see it legalized (as long as it's done correctly) and taxed the shit out of only if it meant to ease some other taxes, but that won't happen.

Driden
03-13-2008, 04:01 PM
Is he republican? If so, they should be happy he isn't banging children or homosexuals

Luris Blear
03-13-2008, 07:45 PM
He's a Democrat. Or maybe was.

And I never thought the day would come when liberals simultaneously approved of rich white men debasing women and agreed with Governor Ventura.

Couldn't he have maybe dropped that money in a Salvation Army box while some intern hung on his arm? Then he could have at least towed the party line a little better.

Grendel
03-14-2008, 12:00 AM
And I never thought the day would come when liberals simultaneously approved of rich white men debasing women and agreed with Governor Ventura.I'm not sure how much it is approving of "debasement" as it is looking at the odd contradictions we see.

I saw this somewhere the other day, so I can't take credit for the formulation, but it went something like this:

Why is it that when two people consent to sex and one gets paid, it's a crime, but when two (or more) people consent to sex and everyone is paid and a third person films it, it's not only perfectly legal, but the product is a marketable commodity?

Luris Blear
03-14-2008, 12:53 AM
I believe that porn is a first amendment issue. At its worst it is a necessary evil to keep the rest of our free press alive. (The "Other Sites" forum here is proof enough that even porn viewers have their limits.)

At its best, a marital aid. It's cheaper and more accessible than medicine, with fewer potential side effects.

I also like to look at the porn industry as a wonder of free markets and free expression. If you're willing to commit to doing something you love, there is a place for you to find work doing just that. The industry itself also has a more responsible ethic (overall) than the kind of woman who blows Hugh Grant for drug money.

Then there are also the controls. Slimy guy in a used Buick tucked away in some dark alley? Well lit set with fifteen people watching to make sure everything goes just right?

Overall, the porn industry has controls and -- if dubious -- some value. Even if the prostitution industry became as self-policing as porn, and I mean paying for regular testing, medicine, and safety on their own dime, I still fail to see it having as much overall value as the adult cinema industry.

Aurone
03-14-2008, 01:35 AM
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/ashley_alexandra_dupre/index.html?inline=nyt-per

There's the chick he was caught with. Honestly, that's not worth 5 grand an hour for. I wouldn't spend that much money on any woman, although I'd spend some if it meant a Titty Fuck from Brandy Taylor.

Highwayman
03-14-2008, 12:14 PM
So that's the whore he was banging. If you have money to burn, you'd prob gonna catch something that does aswell.

cmurdur
03-14-2008, 01:50 PM
I think the chick looks pretty good, but not $5,000ph.

Lucio Argento
03-14-2008, 03:51 PM
Don't get me wrong, she's good looking, but I'd expect better for that kind of $. She's also only 22 years old.

Grendel
03-14-2008, 04:36 PM
I believe that porn is a first amendment issue. At its worst it is a necessary evil to keep the rest of our free press alive. (The "Other Sites" forum here is proof enough that even porn viewers have their limits.)

At its best, a marital aid. It's cheaper and more accessible than medicine, with fewer potential side effects.

I also like to look at the porn industry as a wonder of free markets and free expression. If you're willing to commit to doing something you love, there is a place for you to find work doing just that. The industry itself also has a more responsible ethic (overall) than the kind of woman who blows Hugh Grant for drug money.

Then there are also the controls. Slimy guy in a used Buick tucked away in some dark alley? Well lit set with fifteen people watching to make sure everything goes just right?

Overall, the porn industry has controls and -- if dubious -- some value. Even if the prostitution industry became as self-policing as porn, and I mean paying for regular testing, medicine, and safety on their own dime, I still fail to see it having as much overall value as the adult cinema industry.But the underlying act, financially compensated sexual performance, is the same. I'm sure there'd be some precise study of the law necessary to pass muster, but it seems to me that a brothel could thus be opened anywhere as long as something's being filmed and "sold" even to the original customer.

All in all, it just seems to me that it's an odd and--considering brothels are already legal in Nevada--artificial place to draw a distinction.

Aurone
03-14-2008, 05:12 PM
Anyone been to her Myspace? Seems she's using this to try and launch a Music Career.

Luris Blear
03-15-2008, 03:31 AM
Aurone, good for her! That's the kind of resolve in the face of potentially bad times that more people need to show. Sadly, she chose a music career and will probably be forgotten in a month. Still, the spirit is more than a lot of people show.

Grendel, I do not wish to link to porn in this thread. Asia Carrera, however, has posted a lot of insight into what it really takes to create a pornographic film at her personal site. (My brother's the weirdo, here. I really can't see the thrill.) There are no doubt other sites which describe the 8-14 hour days just to shoot one scene. The end result is -- like anything else -- well edited movie magic.

There are also the filming permits to think about. I understand Michigan has some pretty lax laws, but not every state does.

I am merely trying to look past the surface of the two. I am not saying that I disagree with legalizing prostitution. Hell, it's refreshing to see the nanny state get questioned.

I am saying that "broke the law" would be more prevalent than "consent between adults" if Governor Jeb Bush had been caught. (Or more to the point, you could reverse whatever argument a person is making judging entirely what color they voted in '04.)

I am saying that the differences between performing in a pornographic film and even working someplace like the Bunny Ranch are pretty notable beneath the surface. Not unless the newly legalized Johns are required to maintain a state of arousal for 8 solid hours.

WarBeast
03-15-2008, 03:55 AM
The way I see it, is the health issue is pure BULLSHIT... it's a moral issue standing in the way of free commerce.

Can prostitution spread disease? Yep.

Can smoking cigarettes and drinking booze kill people? Yep.

Fuck! let's go further!

Can driving a car doing 75 miles an hour constitute a possible risk to your physical well being? You bet!

Is eating Bacon every day a damn fine way of getting heart disease? Absolutely!

Are any of the above Illegal?

NOPE!

The medical aspects of the illegalization of prostitution are fucking laughable....

It is all a matter of a bunch of puritanical morality... which has no place in this discussion

The FACT is, it's a matter of commerce being stifled by the governnment on false pretenses.

If you can protect Big Business, like big petro, from any sort of breach of morality, then you might as well give a small-time pussy-renting entrepreneur the same consideration...

Luris Blear
03-15-2008, 12:52 PM
I have only been trying to suggest that there is a difference between the pornographic industry and prostitution. Pornography is an industry in which performers need to be at the top of their craft to the point of exhaustion, editors work their magic, and an entire team chips in to create an entertainment product.

Nevada is a good counter to this as well. Prostitution is a states rights and community rights issue. It's very apparently not federal law, since it is legal in some communities.

Ready?

Here it comes.

If prostitution was illegal at the time of his misdeeds, it was probably due to action or inaction on the government's part. Who was the government here?

Him.

We all like to tell ourselves that stupidity isn't a crime. This time, it was. :D

WarBeast
03-17-2008, 03:30 AM
If prostitution was illegal at the time of his misdeeds, it was probably due to action or inaction on the government's part. Who was the government here?

HIM

It's like I said before, If the politicians don't wanna be busted with prostitutes anymore, then just legalize it... Get rid of that little pitfall. :nod:

Knight
03-17-2008, 04:08 AM
Pornography is an industry in which performers need to be at the top of their craft to the point of exhaustion, editors work their magic, and an entire team chips in to create an entertainment product.


Not really. 'Gonzo' style pornography has all but taken over the industry. Fancy camera work and editing are nowhere to be found. There is no plot and no one sits there for 2 hours writing some cheesy script about why the housewife is fucking the pool boy. Basically, people show up in a rented house, fuck and some guy films it all with a digital video camera. Scenes are shot for a few thousands dollars, most of which go to the female performers.

The way porn is produced on the quick and cheap these days, it's a lot closer to full-blown prostitution then you might think.

Aurone
03-17-2008, 09:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rRGeQxmwXs&feature=user

That made me laugh.

Aurone
03-27-2008, 04:21 PM
A second Prostitute has come forward to say she screwed Spitzer.



http://www.411mania.com/politics/columns/71870/Spitzer-Linked-To-Another-Call-Girl.htm

Honestly, I'd spend a few bucks on her, she's not that bad.