Why Do You Like Underground Horror?

[Slayer]

It's a simple question but the answer could be far from it. I like underground horror because it is different. I like seeing how far the envelope can be pushed and still being a good movie in the process. It's nice to see how creative people can be when there is no one holding them back.

So why do you guys like Underground Horror?

[UzumakiW]

I like seeing how far they can and will go in these movies. It's also something fun to watch with friends or tell them about to gross them out.

[xxsic4slipknotxx]

Pretty much what has been said before; seeing how far the envelope can be pushed. It also demonstrates to the viewer what can be accomplished with a minor budget; you gotta respect that. :nod:

[Metapher]

I sort of agree, but still don't feel that underground is about pushing the envelope. Many underground movies does that, but I know alot who doesn't.

Movies I like just happen to be underground, not sure why. Maybe because they're usually made exactly like they are suppose to? Other people don't have control over them? So many things that differ then from mainstream movies, and so many things make them better.

[Joker]

Because I can find an unknown gem.

[Doc Awesome]

Being able to see the true creativity of a film maker. There are really no restraints. They have an idea and they go for it putting everything they have into it most times taking money from their own pocket to make the film better or to help progress it. There is so much going into these films and all the film makers really wants is for the most part for someone to just watch it not how much money they can earn from it.

[KING]

Because I am a very sick person.. also, anyone know where "Pushing the envelope" originated from?

[xxsic4slipknotxx]

Because I am a very sick person.. also, anyone know where "Pushing the envelope" originated from?

:shrugs:

[bedlam23]

From the perspective of someone who makes pure underground brutal horror. I like it because it allows me to release my anger and anxiety in a way that is creative and cathartic. No one gets hurt except for unsuspecting viewers who are not used to seeing extreme horror and or gore. I've had major cast members leave the room durring screenings and I could only laugh. I guess I'm desensitized to a point. :straightface:

[RustedChainsaw]

I think what makes these movies intriguing is the deviance. Mainstream audiences can be pretty narrow in what they watch. It has to be popular, it has to have hip characters and big names playing them, it has to be something every other asshole is talking about. When it's not, it's not important, so it's ignored.

And let's not forget shock value. They tend to keep away from that as well. No matter how scary a movie sounds like it'll be, a lot of people just don't cross certain lines. Because the depictions seem too real, even if you can tell they're not. Oh, there's gore. Gotta cringe. Oh, there's a clear shot of a guy getting his tongue cut off. Close your eyes. Oh, someone is being dismembered in a most realistic fashion. Better leave the theater. :rolleyes:

So it goes to us. The deviants.

[Cataclysm]

Everyone pretty much touched on the reasons why I like underground cinema, but I'll give my opinion anyways.

With Hollywood movies, there is no one person making the movie and by that I mean you have the writers version, the directors version, the producers version, the studio executives, the MPAA and test audiences who all have an input on the movie and give us the final result. You have the MPAA deciding what we can and cannot watch, and remove anything they feel is inappropriate since they obviously know what's best for us. The studio executives have their fingers on all aspects of the movie and decide what should be done that will get them the most money. When they have a semi-final product they grab some random people and show them the movie and then adjust the changes based on how they scored the movie. The problem is that these people are not the "voice" of the audience for that particular movie, if you show someone who is conservative, a horror movie of course they are going to give the movie a bad score but they don't care. They've decided these small groups of the people represent the opinions of the populous as a whole and what ever they say they want changed the people behind the movie will change it, for better or worse.

With underground cinema, you get the vision of one person (or in some cases a group of people who share the same vision) , the one actually making the movie. Sure they get input from various sources but in the end they are making a movie they want to make, and one that they want to see and they know that others who share the same interest in movies they do, will probably like it too. Of course there will be people who don't like it, there always are but contrary to Hollywood, independent filmmakers basically tell them to go fuck themselves. They're welcome to not like the movies but they aren't the ones who the movie is made for so who really cares one way or another.

For artistic merit, mainstream cinema has none. I know how everyone talks about how gorgeous such-and-such movie is with all of it's glorious CGI and I will agree it looks good to an extent but for me, at the end of the day its just another movie saturated with expensive computer effects. I want a movie that is visually stimulating to me, a movie that could almost be a piece of art. You'll never see a mainstream flick that looks like Tetsuo the Ironman, or any similar to filmmakers like Jordowsky, Svankmajer, Quay Brothers, Bunuel, etc. Instead Hollywood's idea of having artistic value in their movies is putting colored gel on their lights and slapping a couple filters on their camera to change the hue of the image.

Now there is occasionally a movie that does have this quality like "The Fountain" and "What Dreams May Come" but we see how well those movie did with a mainstream audience...They just blow them off as being "artsy fartsy" and I firmly believe anybody who uses that term deserves to be socked in the eye. (Sorry, I guess that's just the "art-fag" in me taking offense and in general just hating that phrase.)

Then there are the balls-out horror movies like August Underground, Gateway Meat, Gutterballs, 100 Tears, Violent Shit, etc. As someone said these are great movies simply because they have no limits, the only restrictions they have is budget ones. Though most usually find a creative way around these problems and come out with a better, stronger movie that just knocks the shit out of these Hollywood horror films and people like Eli Roth who truly believe that their movies are pushing the limits. Also, without these restrictions we get great horror comedies like "Special Dead" that wouldn't have a chance in hell of getting made because it could at some point in time, in some place offend somebody and we can't have that. Either everyone is happy or nobody can have the movie.

For over priced mindless entertainment I'll watch Hollywood movies, for quality films I'll watch independent ones.

[woodenheart]

"For over priced mindless entertainment I'll watch Hollywood movies, for quality films I'll watch independent ones." by cataclysm

Bravo...I want this on my tombstone.

[Shreds_of_Flesh]

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[dead breed]

All the reasons stated above :thumbup:

nice reply cat

[woodenheart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US96Dvc7zIs

DeAd lOvE......OH YEA

[Lucio Argento]

Underground horror is as much a sub-genre as vampire, werewolf, monster, or haunted house movies. I love ALL horror, whether it's a horror movie with no blood (The Haunting '63, etc.) or whether it's a horror movie with tons of blood (August Underground, Cannibal Holocaust, etc.) Some horror fans don't like these types of horror movies because it's too much for them. That's fine. However, I enjoy the hell out of these just as much as I do any other type of horror movie, so I'll continue to watch.

[3/6]

well i basicly just started getting into em, i love violence and gore, wheater is cheap or not..i still find it entertaining, so i guess these movies are perfect for me

so any suggestions would be good :D

and wooden, that trailer u posted was fuckin crazy, kinda funny too

[steelba]

I like them because they're quite different. Also they can be a little on the perverse side, not that I like that :lookarnd:

The majority of the time they are much weaker films in the effects and acting department. But that not why i watch them.
They offer a crude, edgy, ride on the darkside. Sometimes it's an enjoyable trip :nod:

[woodenheart]

I like them because they're quite different. Also they can be a little on the perverse side, not that I like that :lookarnd:

The majority of the time they are much weaker films in the effects and acting department. But that not why i watch them.
They offer a crude, edgy, ride on the darkside. Sometimes it's an enjoyable trip :nod:

My favorite post.....:nod:

[Galerian]

Because they offer something unique and more of a mind bending experience. They can be creative, disturbing, sickening, shocking, disgusting, weird, perverse, or just plain scarier...

[steelba]

My favorite post.....:nod:
:beerchug2:

[woodenheart]

I have decided to take the journey into Underground Horror because I am bored of the mainstream "scary film". Although they are very entertaining, I am now looking for something unique, challenging and visually stimulating. Now I am only a newbie in this genre but I think I have been guided in the right direction. I am totally in love with Nekromantik.. it blew me away, I craved more. Genesis :heart:, those who have seen it, I need not say more. I had a breif stop at Untold Story..brutal, interesting, and somewhat funny...worth a veiwing. My next adventures are going to take me places I long to be. Thank you UHM for showing me that "horror films'' can be art and should be veiwed, felt and tasted ......by all my senses.

[Toby]

I adore underground horror just because I can see an every-day guy/gal's horrorific artistic stories and creations come to life and still be on the Blockbuster or any video store's shelf without the approval of being a cash ring for Hollywood to suck from and not share it with the creators unless they were planning to make a sequel that would sound better than the first or some shit. And I love it because it's something everyone can contribute their movies too and not having to become incredibley famous for their directing or some crap, they should be given credit for everything, and including the actors and other crew. It's something you can do if you have your own video camera and just go into your backyard, streets, or creepy places around your town with and make a creative or crapfest of a film out of the smallest little expenses and even the smallest barriers you can make out of it, and it can be done in such simple-ness and so much of it can be made into something big and give you the dream of your life time to be apart of the horror generation even if you're not a rich bastard or a big-named professional. Anyone can be professional, everyone can be creative and express there art in anyway or form they want with underground films. Beats the hell out of being a business man having to wear a nice suit, carrying a suitcase, drinking nothing but coffee or wine and having to go home with your mediocre wife wondering if the relationship'll get any better or if it'll always be the same as you look out your window at night and the one thing your wife can say to that is "Coming to bed?" and you'd have to respond "Yes, dear." I sure-as-hell don't want to live a life like that, or just sit on my ass for all my days without having a nice haul-ass job, and I have too many ideas to waste. This is why I'm one of those underground filmmakers, and I'll be on there somewhere and keep going with it to be a great underground master of horror...somehow...but to hell with Hollywood!!

But yeah, I just also really like it because it's very different and not too goddamn cliche, and you can see a lot of coolness from these films.

"Woohoohoo!" :bigthumbup:

[woodenheart]

Well said "young psycho killer". To the bowels of underground :budsdrink:

[Toby]

Well said "young psycho killer". To the bowls of underground :budsdrink:

Thanks, I'll be in the cemetary...Lindsey Lohan needs some..."company" :P

Here's to you, wooden, buddy! :downlow::drunkdance:

[woodenheart]

Hey.. young filmmaker......love to see your work! Creative people rrroockkk!.

[Agamum]

There is an old director which until recently would be all but forgotten by most if not for this documentary by Martin Scorsese. A look into a director by the name of Val Lewton who was known for his ability to gain suspense out of a low budget movie. A different man who made 18 horror movies from 1935-1951 during the golden era of cinema.

[Lucio Argento]

There is an old director which until recently would be all but forgotten by most if not for this documentary by Martin Scorsese. A look into a director by the name of Val Lewton who was known for his ability to gain suspense out of a low budget movie. A different man who made 18 horror movies from 1935-1951 during the golden era of cinema.


Lewton was actually a producer, not a director. People such as Jacques Tourneur, Robert Wise, and Mark Robson were people who directed the movies that Lewton produced.

[Agamum]

Lewton was actually a producer, not a director. People such as Jacques Tourneur, Robert Wise, and Mark Robson were people who directed the movies that Lewton produced.

Oh my bad though you have to admit the amount of good horror movies that came out of those few decades where pretty impressive.

Just a small clip sticks out in my mind from a movie Lewton produced of a woman in complete darkness saying.

I have no peace

Really seemed to stick with me just wish I knew what movie that was so I could go and rent it.

[Slayer]

Oh my bad though you have to admit the amount of good horror movies that came out of those few decades where pretty impressive.

Just a small clip sticks out in my mind from a movie Lewton produced of a woman in complete darkness saying.

I have no peace

Really seemed to stick with me just wish I knew what movie that was so I could go and rent it.
This has to do with underground horror how?

[Agamum]

This has to do with underground horror how?

The man was a genius of creating films which would be classified as cult films which this category can be found almost exclusively in the underground.

[woodenheart]

....and here we go..

[Lucio Argento]

The man was a genius of creating films which would be classified as cult films which this category can be found almost exclusively in the underground.


The only thing about Lewton's cult films is that even though their budgets were miniscule and they are cult movies, the movies were funded by a huge company (RKO). I don't think Lewton's movies would meet the "Underground Horror" criteria, although they would meet classic horror criteria.

[Agamum]

The only thing about Lewton's cult films is that even though their budgets were miniscule and they are cult movies, the movies were funded by a huge company (RKO). I don't think Lewton's movies would meet the "Underground Horror" criteria, although they would meet classic horror criteria.

I wasn't aware that his movies where funded by a large company but that still does not change the fact they would be considered underground. You see for a movie to be classified as underground it has to meet one or more of three standards. It has to have a style which puts it out of the main stream. Be classified as a genre which would not meet most movie standards. Or it has a small budget which would also make it a candidate for the online movie category.

Now I had to elaborate on some of the definitions sense every website defining the terms, underground film and cult film where vague at best. So I will leave the links I used to define this and let you all judge for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_film
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_film

[Cataclysm]

Val Lewton movies would be consider cult films, not underground as there is a difference between the two. Every definition that you have copy and pasted for what makes an underground movie, is exactly what his movies weren't.

It has to have a style which puts it out of the main stream.

All of his movies were made and released widely because he was financed by the major studios (RKO, MGM) and the movies he made were for the mainstream audience. How can you sit there and say his movies were not intended for the mainstream when "The Leopard Man" made 4 million?

Be classified as a genre which would not meet most movie standards.

He produced Sci-Fi and Horror movies, what's underground about that?

Or it has a small budget which would also make it a candidate for the online movie category.

Well for the most part budget is irrelevant. Saw was made only for a million dollars, which is would be consider low budget if you compared it to most Hollywood movies.

Most horror and sci-fi movies of that era were made on small budgets, the problem is he never financed the movies himself. As it has been pointed out, he worked for Hollywood and the two of the biggest movie production companies, which is exactly the opposite of underground movies.

So as I said, Val Lewton's produced movies maybe considered cult movies but it should be quite obvious that his movies are not underground because he worked in Hollywood and everything he made was with a major studio.

[Cataclysm]

If you can remember the names of the movies, please post them. I'm curious as to what they are and if they are as sick as you say they are.

Where they porno flicks or just graphic exploitation movies?

Also, no need to apologize for your opinion about these kind of movies. They really aren't meant for everybody and if you don't like them, well then you don't like them. Nothing wrong with that.

[Get Some]

sounds like mark of the devil

[Cataclysm]

Hail Satan!

[Get Some]

its not a bad flick

[Get Some]

guess i was wrong

[Get Some]

i thought u were referring about the movie "mark of the devil"

[woodenheart]

They were called Inquisition.There are five parts to these movies.I will get more info Thursday when I go into work.

Just looking at the front and back cover of the DVD was enough for all of us at work.Women were naked,covered in blood and being tortured in ways I could never imagine.They were in with our porn movies but DAMN this was just going a step too far I think.

OoOOoOOoO New Canadian person.....me like...taking notes...looking up this Inquisition. Do post any more gems you find. Always looking for new UG. :hey:

[Cataclysm]

They were called Inquisition.There are five parts to these movies.I will get more info Thursday when I go into work.

Just looking at the front and back cover of the DVD was enough for all of us at work.Women were naked,covered in blood and being tortured in ways I could never imagine.They were in with our porn movies but DAMN this was just going a step too far I think.

Well I found what you were talking about and these are not movies, they are nothing more than adult fetish films.

All they really seemed to be were bondage-S/M porno's, very much doubt the blood you were seeing on the covers was real. Nothing really more than getting people to stop and look at the movies, which it seems they did. Even if the blood was real, which it very well could have been since bondage films can go pretty far, it's still just porno-fetish movie.

So it was created by people who are into rather harsh BDSM acts, made by people who enjoy it as well, made for people who are into that. No one else really.

Sorry if I sound like an asshole but this section is about movies, not really about fetish porno's. Unless you're talking about the roughies from the 70's and 80's.

If you want to find more info on these movies just do a search for "Inquisition Underground Video DVD", that's what I looked for and the first several hits are for these movies that you're talking about.

[Cataclysm]

:mhehe: That's pretty bad.

[Cataclysm]

What are you going to do with videos, just send them back to whatever distributor you got them from?

[Cataclysm]

Oi. Damn dirty movies. Always causing trouble.

[4thfloorpictures]

From a filmmakers point of view... It basically comes down to not having enough $$$ and trying to be as creative with what you have. So, I try my best to develop stories that are entertaining from the time it comes on until its over because I know that the viewer is most likely sitting there with their finger just above the fast foward button. So, as an underground filmmaker we have to bring it and bring it hard.

Underground films can push the limits more and don't have to be bound by anything... Just the $$$ flow to make the film.

So, to anyone that has viewed my films - THANK YOU... I hope I did my job.

[C.H.U.D.]

my opinion of "underground horror" is strictly limited to 80's films and earlier (with a handful of 90's horror films like the wonderful "Jack-O"). I just cannot get into the newer stuff or newer horror movies in general.

By nature, I love the cheap and wretchedly horrible old school horror flicks. This includes SOV (shot on video) trash like Boarding House, Sledgehammer, Death Row Diner, Video Violence, Splatter:Architects Of Fear, etc.

I'm what you'd call a dumpster diver I suppose. Headless Eyes, Long Island Cannibal Massacre, Robot Holocaust, The Abomination, Attack Of The Beast Creatures, Body Shop, etc. are some others that come to mind. Basically, a shitload of old movies that most "horror fans" never heard of.

A lot of the newer "shocking" stuff like Murder Set Pieces, August Underground, etc. is just boring and retarded to me. Especially all that junk by Brain Damage films.

[Sutter Kane]

Its not some over-produced piece of crap being shoved down your throat by the media. Most good Underground horror you have to really dig to find it.

[zombhorror]

i like underground horror for a good bit of reasons , one to push the buttons far from what the theatres would allow cause editing and taking away stuff gets annoying at a time , 2 i find underground much more original and creative , and i like sick twisted shit and underground shows more of that , i even like the cheesy ones hell if there horrible least i got a laugh out of it and thats all i can think of at the moment

[rphorror]

You don't feel like the director/producer was pressured to make a horror film with added crap form advertisers or anything else for that matter. That's the best reason for it.

[levil666]

I enjoy watching UG because of how far the creators can push the limits on a low budget. It's more for study, rather than enjoyment (although some are pretty cool.) I wanted to basically see how the viewer can be manipulated to squirm by the use of simple gore effects amped by the sound effects. In the end, the killings in these movies top any kill scenes that have made the market, and I applaud them for doing it independently.

[highlight87]

Yes it may be bad quality, yes it may lack decent action or even a decent script for that matter. But the fact is i love these kinds of movies cause its people coming up with new ideas. something others have not thought about and probably never will think about it unless they see these movies. And the sad thing about it is they will never see these movies. They don't care enough to look for something of interest in our genre. All they are interested in is doing the remakes for movies that were original 20.. 30.. even 40 + years ago. I am not saying that it's a complete and horribly bad idea cause Rob Zombie did come out with a good movie when he "re-imagined" Halloween. But all the best and brightest ideas on the scene for the genre.. for any genre for that matter are from underground movies!

[Metapher]

Underground isn't always bad quality, and I'd say both acting and script can be way better than mainstream.

[cataclysm vol.2]

Underground isn't always bad quality, and I'd say both acting and script can be way better than mainstream.

Agreed. I think underground/independent films become stereotyped that because they don't have the money or the resources they are of a lesser quality. Granted some truly are, but that isn't always the case.

[fightclub]

I personally like the gore, doesnt really have to be toned down for the masses.
some, unfortunately, just try to shock you with gore and have nothing to go with it

[BigFatOgre]

Underground vs Mainstream. It's all horror and you gotta love it. They both have crap and they both have wonders. If you're a true horror fan you gotta watch them both. Underground quality can be just as good as big budget, it's just a little wetter when the gore isn't CGI.

[cataclysm vol.2]

:no:

[ReptilianPig]

:no:

Seconded. I'm, for the most part('lest it is old school horror) outside of US boundaries(cinematically-speaking, not physically) and have been for some time. Am I not a true horror fan because I have a certain preference?

Why do I enjoy underground? It usually includes depth, innovation, and DIY approach, even if it is straight-up shite. In the underground world, many times nothing is held sacred. Hollywood promotes safe and secure feelings / conclusions these days and without original vision. The Mist is a kind of pioneer in that realm, as daring to take on a dismal ending. Directors don't take note of this. Why? It didn't please a lot of movie-goers.Anyways, even as a pioneer, I feel it was a mediocre and had King's name all over it.

...jumping around there, but you get the point.

[BigFatOgre]

So you guys saying you don't like any mainstream flicks? Honestly I love boith underground and mainstream. People talk about pushing enevelopes. The Hills Have Eyes remake, Devil's Rejects - 2 beautifully f'ed up mainstream films.
I'm talking to the Underground haters - if they can't open their eyes and minds to give these films a shot and potentially find really awesome horror outside the mainstream then their love for the genre is too boxed in and they're missing out on some great viewing.

[ReptilianPig]

The Hills Have Eyes remake, Devil's Rejects - 2 beautifully f'ed up mainstream films.

These get my stamp of approval(for myself). So, I do enjoy mainstream, too. I've too much to backtrack on to be watching regurgitated cine. I'll see one every now and then... never on the big screen.

[BigFatOgre]

You people made me think of Audition - that was a messed up flick, creepy ass chick. I heard some good stuff bout Oldboy - I wanna see that.

[ReptilianPig]

You people

I go further down passed the films you mentioned, as does cataclysm v2. Oldboy is just classic. destined to be one of the greats remembered. Watch it now. Watch it before the remake comes out. You'll understand how bastardizations of greats would cause one to lift their nose to the majority of mainstream. ... Like have you seen [rec] ? and Did you see it before Quarantine?

[BigFatOgre]

Rec is on my list of must views. Most of my underground experience lays in the 80's early 90s (Demons for example). I need to get back into the fold hardcore.

[cataclysm vol.2]

So you guys saying you don't like any mainstream flicks?

Mainstream cinema hasn't produced a quality movie in years, so no, I really don't like it. I'll watch them from time to time(and I'll admit, there are 1 or 2 good flicks that come out per year), but in general I rather take the time to watch something new, than a rehash of a movie I already saw growing up, or in other cases is just a knock-off of a movie from the past or a foreign title.

As per your other posts, like RP, movies like Audition, Oldboy, Demons are pretty standard movies that I wouldn't consider to be underground. Not bad movies by any means, but they have found their niche in mainstream.

[FrighT MasteR]

:straightface2:

[ReptilianPig]

:straightface2:

So, what is with people and staring at this website? Cataclysm got your tongue?

and He made the point that I was vague about - the mentioned films(Audition, Oldboy) aren't so much underground, as their notoriety are pretty well known(within the horror community, foremost of all).

[fightclub]

I watch any horror movie that I havent seen, period. We used to have a great video store here that carried horror movies you'd never see at a b-buster. When it went out of business, I had to start ordering online but it gets expensive

[BigFatOgre]

Here's my thing. When flicks like demons and faces of death originally hit the market they were not mainstream. When i viewed them they were unheard of (back in the days of VHS). Now they found a niche in the horror community and that is a good thing. so what i need is perhaps some examples of what you more hip youngsters consider underground so that i may purchase and/or view them. so that i, oh, i don't know, not sound like a dumbass upon these posts.

[ReptilianPig]

so that i, oh, i don't know, not sound like a dumbass upon these posts.

I noticed there are no smiling or laughing animated faces available on the web site. People here need to smile.

but

LOL. That was never my intention, I just have a set idea of the underground.

I'll throw some production company musts(for my tastes) at yer, rather than individual titles:

Tokyo Shock
Dark Sky Films
Barrel Entertainment
Something Weird
Mondo Macabre
Synapse
Anchor Bay put out a good lot of cavity-inducin' sweet.
Shriekshow
CasaNegra

[Sutter Kane]

I do get syzed for Tokyo Shock...

Rec much better that its counterpart Quarantine. Jennifer Carpenter ruined that movie. Also Rec had a realistic fell to it, I felt watching watching Quarantine that it was too flashy to really be "Discovered Footage" from a horrific biological catastrophe. And I say that having watched the American version first.

[ReptilianPig]

I do get syzed for Tokyo Shock...

syzed? Eh? Seriously. I'm not hip enough to know that word yet. Matango(Tokyo Shock, bless them) is one of my favorite classic age horrors - right up there next to Invasion of the Body Snatchers(the original). If you view the two of them side-by-side, you'll discover prominent similarities.

and BigFatOgre - Cataclysm and I are in a great minority; most of the suckered youth today readily digests what is offered to them. Just sayin.' ...

[Sutter Kane]

Well, I spell Syzed diff but its a Mid-Atlantic word. Never looked up the spelling until today.


Cised (v.)
To be excited; (occasionally) sexually aroused. If used in a phrase such as "cised for [something]," it can simply mean that the speaker likes the thing in question. The word is pronounced with a soft "s" (as in 'side' or 'psychology') and rhymes with "iced", rather than with "excised" or "prized." This term is commonly preceded by the word “butt-” which may amplify the phrase to mean extremely excited.

Hellevator was a great flick

also, Stuart Gordon should be mentioned with Underground Horror. Guy puts out stuff like King of the Ants and everyone I know sleeps on it. Don't know if that really is a qualification but no one I know really fucks with his movies that much.

[ReptilianPig]

Hm, I guess Hellevator is a Tokyo Shock. I never noticed cause mine is packaged all fuckin' weird-like. It's flat(not a box) and in a plastic slip. I see the little symbol now.
The two villains should have been given more onscreen time.

edit: I saw the King of Ants when I was still in the Mesozoic age(VHS - still have'em). Bah. I prefer Castle Freak or his earlier stuff.

[Sutter Kane]

Castle Freak :rockin:

From Beyond not that bad for a first Attempt. Thought his take on The Black Cat was particularly gruesome.

I think I got the same copy, comes in a slide out case. Also thought the villains from Hellevator could use more screen time. I like any movie that takes place in a single setting or room. Its a mark of a good writer if he or she pulls it off.
Bio-zombie was another Tokyo Shock title worth mentioning, funny as hell. The Fry-cook zombie was a creep even before he died.

[XArsenicx]

I like it because I'm a sick person.

[bitchslicer]

Hm, I guess Hellevator is a Tokyo Shock. I never noticed cause mine is packaged all fuckin' weird-like. It's flat(not a box) and in a plastic slip. I see the little symbol now.
The two villains should have been given more onscreen time.

edit: I saw the King of Ants when I was still in the Mesozoic age(VHS - still have'em). Bah. I prefer Castle Freak or his earlier stuff.

yeah the two killers were great

[bitchslicer]

i like underground horror mostly because its something different from just watching good looking teenagers in peril like most of Hollywood films

[ReptilianPig]

Castle Freak :rockin:

From Beyond not that bad for a first Attempt. Thought his take on The Black Cat was particularly gruesome.

I think I got the same copy, comes in a slide out case. Also thought the villains from Hellevator could use more screen time. I like any movie that takes place in a single setting or room. Its a mark of a good writer if he or she pulls it off.
Bio-zombie was another Tokyo Shock title worth mentioning, funny as hell. The Fry-cook zombie was a creep even before he died.

I've got two versions of Bio-Zombie - the Tokyo Shock and an unopened Melah Entertainment - bought it on a xany bar binge, I guess. But yeah, it's the only film I'll willingly submit myself to dubbed 'cause it's freakin' hilarific. Someone suggested watching it with the dubbing and "Engrish" subbing on at the same time... to compare and laugh at the differences.

What other movies take place in one room, for the most part, eh?

Cube... Murder Party... cerebral fart.

[bitchslicer]

redroom
aquarium

[Sutter Kane]

1408, Panic Room, Pontypool, Phone Booth, Clerks....Might be a few more but I can't think of any that fall under "Single Room or setting."

[ReptilianPig]

redroom
aquarium

Say, you got some sort of links for these titles?

[bitchslicer]

Say, you got some sort of links for these titles?

to download or just to have a look

[BigFatOgre]

Cataclysm and I are in a great minority; most of the suckered youth today readily digests what is offered to them. Just sayin.' ...
I will quite literally view any horror at least once if i get my hands on it. I couldn't care less about how much is spent or well known faces. I wanna see blood. I wanna see something that makes me cringe (not easy),that makes me feel uneasy. If there's no gore it had best be creepy or downright frightening. I'll give it all a chance...
Oh, i've seen castle freak - that was a cool flick.
And here's a smile for ya for the Production Company list - i'll be looking up some of there stuff as quick as a rabbit with dynamite up its ass - :bigthumbup:

[ReptilianPig]

to download or just to have a look

mmm I just wondered if you had any info. Too many Aquariums on IMDB and Redroom is nowhere to be found. Guess I'm being half-assed about it.

[bitchslicer]

http://cinemageddon.org/details.php?id=5525

http://cinemageddon.org/details.php?id=45183

these have all the info

[ReptilianPig]

Super. I would have gone there eventually. I'm SpiderLopez... I think.

[bitchslicer]

cool your allrady on there ill go look for you now im aoki69

[Splat]

Originality, the creativity born due to having to work with less resources than movies made for the mainstream, the feel and texture of these films and not being afraid to push the envelope when it comes to fuckedupiness :rockin:

[Pjwulfman]

The freedom of the writer and director to tell the story they want, without outside influences.
The hope of seeing something new, something never before attempted.
The satisfaction of knowing you witnessed something original.

[Splat]

The freedom of the writer and director to tell the story they want, without outside influences.
The hope of seeing something new, something never before attempted.
The satisfaction of knowing you witnessed something original.

Couldn't of said this any better mate:thumbup:

[Morbidfilm]

I watch underground horror to see things that I am never going to see in a mainstream movie. I like extreme gore and enjoy seeing new ways independent people find to shock an audience. I also like complex stories that a studio would never have the balls to tell.

[woodenheart]

The satisfaction of knowing you witnessed something original.


This is so true. :thumbup:

[IrishG3nt]

no rules, no need to meet ratings, extreme gore:rockin:

[Primetimeloser]

Hell yeah!

[Splatter-Thrash]

Because it's a big extended middle finger to conventionalism. Also because the makers behind these types of films aren't capitalistic pigs (well the majority) only directing films, they know will attract a wide audience, to make tons of money. They are more interested in pushing boundaries and following their morbid dreams, no matter how messed up and insane they might be, even though the chances of financiall success aren't that promising.

[IrishG3nt]

Because it's a big extended middle finger to conventionalism. Also because the makers behind these types of films aren't capitalistic pigs (well the majority) only directing films, they know will attract a wide audience, to make tons of money. They are more interested in pushing boundaries and following their morbid dreams, no matter how messed up and insane they might be, even though the chances of financiall success aren't that promising.

I do believe that sums it up perfectly!:thumbup:

[Morbidfilm]

Because it's a big extended middle finger to conventionalism. Also because the makers behind these types of films aren't capitalistic pigs (well the majority) only directing films, they know will attract a wide audience, to make tons of money. They are more interested in pushing boundaries and following their morbid dreams, no matter how messed up and insane they might be, even though the chances of financiall success aren't that promising.
I've received hate mail from people in Hollywood because one of my movies made it into Hollywood video saying, "who do you think you are? You have no right being in there while friends of mine have their million dollar 35mm films collecting dust in their closets!"
I wrote a letter back say that I have never claimed to be a professional and it's not my fault the public find my micro budget movies entertaining. Maybe if your friends concentrated more on creating a movie that was entertaining, instead of concentrating on being excepted by their Hollywood peers, maybe a distributor would have picked them up. It was allot longer and I remained nice with a bit of sarcasm to get in his head. He wrote back saying sorry and sent me his resume. :lol: Instead of getting angry at hate mail, I always write back with a nice letter that I know will fuck with their heads.
I enjoy the fact that my company annoys the shit out of people who hate underground horror.

[Primetimeloser]

"who do you think you are? You have no right being in there while friends of mine have their million dollar 35mm films collecting dust in their closets!"

Was their friends film the same tired old Hollywood premise just with a smaller budget?

[Morbidfilm]

Was their friends film the same tired old Hollywood premise just with a smaller budget?
From the sound of it, yes. A serious drama that tries to appeal to artists that only respect films like Good Will Hunting. But yet, collecting dust. I could tell from his email these people were the kind of douchebags you see outside of Starbucks with their laptops so everyone can see them writing their screen plays.

[Primetimeloser]

I can understand someone wanting to make their own film but why would you do the same crap everyone else has done? You can claim to be a writer all day long without investing in actually making one of your scripts.

[Morbidfilm]

The mind set of film people is really odd. Many of the people I have talked with all seem too afraid to just do what they really want to do. They think they have to follow rules and can not stay outside of the comfort zone or what is considered acceptable to the mainstream. And they also are afraid of doing things outside of normal production values. They think you have to have a 15 - 20 person crew etc. They simply will not just pick up a camera and go for it.

[Fulcento]

They simply will not just pick up a camera and go for it.
The wife and I do that a lot - would you like me to send you some of our home movies? :hehe:

[Primetimeloser]

The mind set of film people is really odd. Many of the people I have talked with all seem too afraid to just do what they really want to do. They think they have to follow rules and can not stay outside of the comfort zone or what is considered acceptable to the mainstream. And they also are afraid of doing things outside of normal production values. They think you have to have a 15 - 20 person crew etc. They simply will not just pick up a camera and go for it.

Exactly and 90% of the been there done that underground films I have seen clearly had the 15 person crew and a decent amount of money. If you can't problem solve of be a bit creative it will never look good.

[Morbidfilm]

The wife and I do that a lot - would you like me to send you some of our home movies?
absolutely! I am going to be editing together a snuff style extra for a dvd soon. It could use some good porn in there. :2thumbs:

[IrishG3nt]

:lol:

.....who said anything about good:lol:

[Splat]

:lol:

.....who said anything about good:lol:

:straightface: Crazy Leprechaun :D

[IrishG3nt]

http://image.yaymicro.com/rz_512x512/0/1f8/drunk-leprechaun-lying-naked-with-beer-1f831a.jpg

[Splat]

:lol:

[Morbidfilm]

:lol:

.....who said anything about good:lol:
Bonus! Stinky nasty porn would probably work better anyways. :2thumbs:

[Fulcento]

Bonus! Stinky nasty porn would probably work better anyways.
Good, that's all you were gonna get anyway:lol:

[IrishG3nt]

:lol::lol:

[Singapore Sling]

Because try to push the barriers and limits, allowing then to be more original, sometimes they succeed, sometimes not, but they have nothing to lose. And when you do not have much to lose can give you much more freedom and give vent to any fantasy and crazy idea you have.

[Splat]

Quote: 'Morbid Vision Films is making horror films that we enjoy and hope have the feel of the gory classics from the 80's that we grew up with. We are enjoying making the goriest films possible and that is what is gaining us attention and respect from fellow horror fans.'

Hope you don't mind me quoting of your site Morbidfilm, I just love this statement as in a lot of ways it sums it up for me.

[Morbidfilm]

Quote: 'Morbid Vision Films is making horror films that we enjoy and hope have the feel of the gory classics from the 80's that we grew up with. We are enjoying making the goriest films possible and that is what is gaining us attention and respect from fellow horror fans.'

Hope you don't mind me quoting of your site Morbidfilm, I just love this statement as in a lot of ways it sums it up for me.
No problem Splat. I'm glad you appreciate that statement because the incredible films of the 70's and 80's is what inspires my friends and I to do what we do.