Help a newbie with Hellraiser films

[MadMac9]

I just watched the first Hellraiser last night and I thought it was great. A+ but then I look on netflix and for the most part the seven sequels have gotten much lower star ratings and some people say just stick to 1 & 2. My question is which sequels are worth watching? Do any of them live up to the original?


Also can someone explain hellraiser 09...I read there is no director and a Barker supported script was rejected and replaced by the writers of feast and saw iv...what is going on?

[steelba]

filthy n00bz0r :cussing:

Hellraiser 09 is a remake, Hellraiser 2 is just as good as Hellraiser, part 3 is decent, part 4 is also decent, and part 5 was different but good.

There you go :smokin2:

[woodenheart]

cmurder....get over here to this thread.

[FrighT MasteR]

I just watched the first Hellraiser last night and I thought it was great. A+ but then I look on netflix and for the most part the seven sequels have gotten much lower star ratings and some people say just stick to 1 & 2. My question is which sequels are worth watching? Do any of them live up to the original?


Also can someone explain hellraiser 09...I read there is no director and a Barker supported script was rejected and replaced by the writers of feast and saw iv...what is going on?

The first is the best, the next couple of films aren't bad. Hated the fourth with the exception of a few scenes. The rest after that are decent renters, but nothing special.

If you want to know about the remake then check the page for it on UHM.

[grlxx]

1 and 2 are as far as i go.

[woodenheart]

I do like Hellworld.

[Luris Blear]

The second movie tries to establish the human beings as the main villains, which is cool in its own right.

The third movie -- not so good.

The forth does a noble job of trying to build a Hellraiser mythos. I liked it. A lot of people did not. It does come across as a sort of Hellraiser anthology.

Also check out Clive Barker's novella, The Hellbound Heart. That will explain a lot more and - quite possibly - offer a good justification for the remake.

[grlxx]

the only other one i remember seeing aside from the first two is the 3rd (which sucked IMO) and bloodlines and part of one with some reporter lady. i think i need to finish watching that someday..

[IKickAssForTheLord]

didn't like the 1st, and thats where my viewin' of those ended....

[RustedChainsaw]

Hellraiser:The first, of course, is the best.
Hellbound: Pretty good, but if you love the Cenobites, your heart will be BROKEN. :mad:
Hell on Earth: The worst. It becomes the generic monster movie. And that includes the slow walking and stalking. Aside from Pinhead becoming a more central character, it's not very good at all.
Bloodline: Other people don't like this sequel, but I enjoyed it. Somewhat stylish, the Cenobites look better than the ones in the previous film...a worthy watch.
Inferno: The first of the direct-to-video. There are some corny scenes in this one, but in the end it stays true to the whole concept of what the Cenobites do.
Hellseeker: Kirsty comes back. Very good sequel. I still need to buy it.
Deader: Haven't seen this one, but I hear it's VERY true to the mythology.
Hellworld: I was told to avoid this one.

[cmurdur]

I just watched the first Hellraiser last night and I thought it was great. A+ but then I look on netflix and for the most part the seven sequels have gotten much lower star ratings and some people say just stick to 1 & 2. My question is which sequels are worth watching? Do any of them live up to the original?


Also can someone explain hellraiser 09...I read there is no director and a Barker supported script was rejected and replaced by the writers of feast and saw iv...what is going on?

*cracks neck*
Hellraiser is my favorite horror film and I'm glad you loved it, too. As for the sequels, here's my opinion.
Hellbound 7-10, never been crazy about it.
Hellraiser 3 4-10, only one cool scene
Hellraiser: Bloodline 6-10, sorta like the Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers to the Hellraiser series
Hellraiser: Inferno 7-10, proved that DTV doesn't mean its bad
Hellraiser: Hellseeker 6-10, Ashley Lawerence returns to the series, but that doesn't help the film
Hellraiser: Deader 5-10, a lot of people like this one, but I don't
Hellraiser: Hellworld 3-10, if I could erase the existence of one movie, this would be it. Spits in the face of the Hellraiser series.

[MadMac9]

Thanks for everyones input I'm definitely picking up a couple more of these movies.


I did have a question about this film it self. I didn't understand the whole process of Frank coming back to life. The first person she kills for frank it looked like only his bones and tendons were left on that guys body after frank got to it. Then body's after that seem to be more intact and just for the blood. But then Frank takes his brothers skin. Why did frank need someone elses skin? So your trying to tell me that Frank can regrow all his bones muscles brain eyes every thing but he needed someones skin? And how did he put that skin on so perfect I would think it would look more like leather face or buffalo bill then a perfect body. IF anyone understands this can you help?

[FrighT MasteR]

I think you're taking it a little too literally :sure:

[cmurdur]

Thanks for everyones input I'm definitely picking up a couple more of these movies.


I did have a question about this film it self. I didn't understand the whole process of Frank coming back to life. The first person she kills for frank it looked like only his bones and tendons were left on that guys body after frank got to it. Then body's after that seem to be more intact and just for the blood. But then Frank takes his brothers skin. Why did frank need someone elses skin? So your trying to tell me that Frank can regrow all his bones muscles brain eyes every thing but he needed someones skin? And how did he put that skin on so perfect I would think it would look more like leather face or buffalo bill then a perfect body. IF anyone understands this can you help?

I think he took his brother's skin so that no one would notice Larry had gone missing. And he probably thought that if the Cenobites somehow found them, he could trick them. That obviously wasn't the case. "We want the man who did this." Pinhead could look at a skinless body and tell who it was. The man knows his skin! :nod:

[FrighT MasteR]

Everything Pinhead says in the first film makes for an awesome quote :nod:

[cmurdur]

Everything Pinhead says in the first film makes for an awesome quote :nod:

Werd. He steals every scene and the way Bradley delivers each line makes it sound like it's coming out of Satan's asshole. :nod:

[Doc Awesome]

I enjoy the first 3 but never got around to seeing the other sequels. I had no idea until reading the lists in this thread that there were that many sequels :freaked:

I also loved the church scene in the 3rd. For whatever reason I've always loved it and it's the one thing I think of when I think Hellraiser.

[SonOfSavini]

Always will be my favorite although I stop and one and two...after that I can forget that they ever existed. The great thing about 1 and 2 is that they can be watched back to back and make a pretty much 4 hour long movie.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i181/freddy_demon/pinhead26op7ed.gif

I AM THE WAY

[RustedChainsaw]

"We want the man who did this." Pinhead could look at a skinless body and tell who it was. The man knows his skin! :nod:

I don't think he could precisely tell who it WAS. More like, at the sight of the skinless corpse, he had an idea that someone had indeed escaped them.

[cmurdur]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i181/freddy_demon/pinhead26op7ed.gif

I AM THE WAY

That sequence inspired me to get a tat of Pinhead on a crucifix. :bigthumbup: When I get it, I'll let UHM know.

[Rust In Peace]

Thanks for everyones input I'm definitely picking up a couple more of these movies.


I did have a question about this film it self. I didn't understand the whole process of Frank coming back to life. The first person she kills for frank it looked like only his bones and tendons were left on that guys body after frank got to it. Then body's after that seem to be more intact and just for the blood. But then Frank takes his brothers skin. Why did frank need someone elses skin? So your trying to tell me that Frank can regrow all his bones muscles brain eyes every thing but he needed someones skin? And how did he put that skin on so perfect I would think it would look more like leather face or buffalo bill then a perfect body. IF anyone understands this can you help?

Read The Hellbound Heart, it explains things much better than the film did, Still though I love Hellraiser. :bigthumbup:

[KING]

I like the first 4 or so.. The rest are okay.

[Freddy316]

The first and second are the best. I didn't like the third as much but it was okay, I also thought the fourth was okay. I also think the fourth one should have been the last one in the series there because five, six, seven and eight are all garbage.

[damiansrules666]

I loved the hellraisers up until the 4th. Never had any desire to see the others. damn havent seen those in awhile, i have to revisit some old friends. Jesus wept..

[LadyFrankenstein]

Never ventured beyond the 1st two. I think I have the 3rd on VHS which I will watch eventually, but I've never heard good things beyond 2.

[woodenheart]

The first two are awesome....but I like Hellworld. Yes I admit it. It has Lance Hendriksen in it. I like him. I remember the show MillenniuM with Lance in it as Frank Black...I wish that show lasted...off the topic...Yeah I like Hellworld and the first two. But have seen them all.

[strtfghtr]

The first two are awesome....but I like Hellworld. Yes I admit it. It has Lance Hendriksen in it. I like him. I remember the show MillenniuM with Lance in it as Frank Black...I wish that show lasted...off the topic...Yeah I like Hellworld and the first two. But have seen them all.

I didnt know he was in that...maybe i need to watch that one

[Godfatha]

When the Cenobites become the main villian of the movies, they go downhill. As such, I feel the third really begins the plunge in the wrong direction.

Stick with the first two, and maybe the rest of the series over time.

[1stindoor]

*cracks neck*
Hellraiser is my favorite horror film and I'm glad you loved it, too. As for the sequels, here's my opinion.
Hellbound 7-10, never been crazy about it.
Hellraiser 3 4-10, only one cool scene
Hellraiser: Bloodline 6-10, sorta like the Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers to the Hellraiser series
Hellraiser: Inferno 7-10, proved that DTV doesn't mean its bad
Hellraiser: Hellseeker 6-10, Ashley Lawerence returns to the series, but that doesn't help the film
Hellraiser: Deader 5-10, a lot of people like this one, but I don't
Hellraiser: Hellworld 3-10, if I could erase the existence of one movie, this would be it. Spits in the face of the Hellraiser series.

Nice short and concise review. I am also a huge fan of the series. I think the first and second were the best. I also enjoyed Inferno. I wasn't a big fan of Deader or Hellworld and thought they were both a waste of time. I am looking forward to the new remake though just to see what direction it will take.

[IM_UndeaD]

1 n 2 r the best i havnt seen most the others but i liked hellworld and deader

[mr_psycho2000]

the only reason why people kept watching the hellraiser movies is Bradley he is one of the coolest horror characters ever to hit a movie and with him in it giving him epic lines like, we will tear your soul apart only makes us nerds cheer with joy ^^.

hellraiser 1: 10
hellraiser 2: 9 - i didn't think the docter was strong enough to kill pinhead and that spoiled it for me.

hellraiser 3: i loved the consept of hell on earth and the cenobites being made but it failed to deliver what we really wanted

hellraiser 4: again relys mostly on bradley and the lines he gives anything else is a fast forward to the scene you want to see.

hellraiser 5: slightly steps away from the previous movies telling a story about the person who opend the box and what it meens to open the box, was ok but cant compete with the previous.

same goes with any of the hellraiser movies after 5 they started all following suit trying to focus on anything else with the cenobites and pinhead in the backdrop wich is not were they should be they deserve front row with your head on a silver platter.

[MEITTI]

I'm a major Clive Barker-fan, and I recommend first, 2nd, and the 5th.

3rd is very bad a movie, and 4th is watchable, though only because it has the sexiest cenobite in any hellraiser movie. 5th went for the 1st one's approach that cenobites arent some demons in hell but play a bit more minor role in the movie, (still being sinister). Later than 5th are pure garbage. Many of them are just teenage slashers or otherwise clicheed horror with only couple of scenes featuring pinhead so that it would sell at least something. Hellworld a great example of that. one of the most disappointing horror flicks I've ever seen.

[mr_psycho2000]

you could say however that the ones after the 4th movie were seperate occations were the box had been opend like years before the 4th movie so if you go on that then there is plenty of room to make hellraiser movies based on period events when the box was opend by other people createing all new goretastic fun.

bring on the trumpet ^^

name some of the cenobites you like.

pinhead
CHATTERER
Butterball
the Female Cenobite
engineer
bbq

[RustedChainsaw]

The Engineer is not a Cenobite. REAL fans would know that. :dsp:

I really wish they would've built more mythology around Leviathan in the later movies.

MEITTI, "Hellseeker" is watchable. It's like "Inferno", but done better.

[da Gay]

i've never seen any of the hellraiser flicks.

[Shreds_of_Flesh]

:2far:

[Moar Brains]

Hellraiser and it's sequal are the only ones worth scrambling for. All the rest are a waste of time. Deader is the worst fuckin' one, got to be.

[MEITTI]

The Engineer is not a Cenobite. REAL fans would know that. :dsp:

I really wish they would've built more mythology around Leviathan in the later movies.

MEITTI, "Hellseeker" is watchable. It's like "Inferno", but done better.

The whole "leviathan" mythology, and cenobites arent really Clive Barker's invention, rather he took the inspiration from this story about a sadistic magician and noble in 1700's who visited the lands of leviathan, I suggest reading them ;)

Hellseeker is watchable, but after Inferno it kind of felt like "lets go with the same idea again, only slightly better", therefore I prefer Inferno.

And if you've read the original Hellbound world, Pinhead was actually one of those minor cenobites, and The Engineer was the main cenobite. Movie version deleted The Engineer for some reason.

[Darkgod]

Rusted chainsaw said it exactly like I feel.

And about the quotes. Its sick, how every line is amazing. I mean I've had the one under my name since joining thsi site.

[Chief Falling Rock]

I watched part 1 on OnDemand last night. I hadn't seen this since I was a teenager. I had forgotten most the whole movie. While the special effects are top notch and would be out any CGI of these days (cept for maybe the electrical effects around the box). But for the movie itsself??? its meh @ best for me. movie drags along for awhile.

Julia who I couldn't fucking stand was killing people for Frank so he could have their blood to regenerate, even though after the first victim frank was perfectly capable of doing it himself. And I thought it was dumb that the Cenobites coudn't even find him throughout the whole movie. This guy is trapped in hell, but all it takes is a little blood to bring you back? that was dumb I thought. And the way you stop the cenobites is by pushing a button on a box? that was dumb. So it had great special effects, and the cenobites were cool characters. But all in all I didn't really care for the movie itsself. Overrated IMO. So I say bring on the rumored remake, cuz all in all Pinhead I think is a cool character and I wouldn't mind seeing him again, although I saw some of the later sequals. God they were crap.. I hear the books a lot better than the original movie anyway.

[cmurdur]

Julia who I couldn't fucking stand was killing people for Frank so he could have their blood to regenerate, even though after the first victim frank was perfectly capable of doing it himself.

Perhaps Julia just enjoyed it. Or maybe Frank just wasn't up to it, since his muscles hurt just from doing something as easy as sitting down.



And the way you stop the cenobites is by pushing a button on a box? that was dumb.

The box is all powerful. And it didn't really "stop" them as much as send them back to Hell. The same way Pinhead had already done in the beginning of the film.

[steelba]

Original wasn't that great, sequel was better. I was up for the remake until they canned the Director :dsp:

[satanocat]

pinhead's lines in two are by far the best. once i made a metal mix tape (i called it evil as fuck) and between every song i put a line from hellraiser 2 in.
the first two were by far the best, and i think i have seen all the movies, but after a while they all blend together. 3 was the one with the boombox head cenobite right? i love that guy.


The box is all powerful. And it didn't really "stop" them as much as send them back to Hell. The same way Pinhead had already done in the beginning of the film.

and the name of the box is the lament configuration (if i remember correctly). its not really all powerful, because once you have opened it it is too late. even if you can close it, you have already sealed your fate and even tho the cennobites are send back, you go back with them.

[steelba]

Unless you're Christy or any other hero in that franchise :straightface:

[cmurdur]

even if you can close it, you have already sealed your fate and even tho the cennobites are send back, you go back with them.

I believe that rules are that whoever opens the box, they go back. Unless of course, you make some deal with them (part five). Anyone who can operate the box without being the one who opened it can send them back. But I'm a little fuzzy on the series, only having seen the first within the last year or so.

[Officefan]

Love the first two. Dr. Channard is the balls, easily my favorite cenobite. Part 3 kinda lost me with trying to turn Pinhead into a franchise-carrying uber-villain. Not to mention some terrible fucking acting (the Doc character especially) and weak cenobites. Part 4 could have kicked ass if it weren't for the studio demanding to make it all about Pinhead. Part 5... meh. Part 6... double meh, considering it's almost exactly the same as part 5. Total waste of the Kirsty character.

Never bothered with the rest.