A message to any UHMers who may take the horror thing too seriously

[H78]

First, please read this article. (http://www.wmur.com/news/21213678/detail.html)

I know 99.9% - maybe even 100% - of the posters here are good, if not great people. But when I see shit like this happening, I can’t help but think that clueless people like these guys may visit sites like UHM.

If any of you are unstable, and need help, PLEASE GET IT. That’s not meant to sound mocking or degrading; quite the opposite, in fact. I mean it. It’s pretty clear what inspired these four boys to do what they did - The Strangers - and now, if you look at their faces, you can see that reality is coming down quite hard on them. They're quickly learning that The Strangers was something they should not have tried to recreate.

I highly, highly doubt anyone here would have such thoughts as the vast majority of people who like horror movies are too smart to be influenced by them. However, if you find that you are easily influenced, as these guys were, please get help or talk to someone who can find help for you. I genuinely mean that – please get help.

Between this and that Horrorcore idiot, I can’t help but be appalled at what they’re doing to the reputation of those of us who just enjoy a good horror film. As I said, the near-majority of you are fantastic, fun, seemingly good-natured people, but if you think you may be struggling finding the difference between what you’re seeing on TV and in theaters compared to what’s actually occurring in real life, please get help.

There is NO NEED for an 11-year-old girl to have her throat slashed soon after watching her mother – a NURSE! (she saved lives!) – be butchered by four boys who will soon find themselves behind bars for the rest of their lives. (Think about that - rest of their lives.)

The vast majority of you will read this and think, “No shit,” and if you find yourself saying that, please know that this message is not directed toward you. However, this message is necessary.

Life is not a movie. If there is just one person here who cannot make that distinction, please, please find help. Whether it's from someone here, someone at home, someone at school, anyone - please find help.

[koolmike]

Are you listening Beweird?

[3/6]

:axekill: :stab:
:cmurdur::leatherface:
:shootemup::zombxplode::zombhead::zombfire::zombspit::z ombwalk::zomb:

[Misfit]

:leave:guess the 7 people in my basement in jigsaw type traps should be let go

[Sutter Kane]

All right UHMEr's lets all just cut the malarky :starefreak:

[cmurdur]

Movies can only provide these people with outlines on how to do whatever they're planning on doing. But they can not cause anyone to kill. If you're planning on murdering someone, something's not right upstairs. All the movies can do is make you want to emulate what is shown on screen. If you show Disney movies to convicted murderers, shouldn't they have no urge to be violent or kill anyone with that absurd theory?

[Get Some]

i hate when people blame things on movies or video games....there is noone in this world that is fucking stupid enough to think its ok to do this...or awhile back when those 16-18 yr olds went on the crime spree, and said something like "we thought it was ok because we saw it in Grand theft auto" i'm sorry its BS its just something people say to try and get less time in prison...everyone knows right from wrong so theirs no accuse from these actions

[H78]

It's not that people are blaming the movies themselves, it's that there are people out there who fantasize reenacting their favorite characters or movies. They're rare, but they're out there. That's an indisputable fact; people have admitted to wanting to act out like "X" character.

That's the point of this thread. If anyone here has those delusions, they should heed my advice. Do not take my 99.9% figure lightly; I know the greater majority are fine. But you're a fool if you think no one has ever visited UHM that has fantasies of acting out in a way similar to those boys in New Hampshire.

If you do feel that way, please seek help. Don't let the "it doesn't happen" replies in this thread deter you; please find help.

[skybrick]

Like the two posts above its bull shit. The popular reason on why these people are murders is how they were raised. Movies and violence in the media has only a small effect on the human brain and people know the difference between reality and movies. EDIT: (unless of a medical disorder)

Since the media started pinning horror movies and violent games as a problem, I have kept my liking of horror movie kind of a secret to people I meet because some may frown on it. I dont know why I just do. :dunno:

[strtfghtr]

eff hiding it, I let it be know that I watch horror and play violent video games, keeps people on the edge...they'll be afraid I'll snap some day. :bigthumbup:

[skybrick]

:die:

[grlxx]

very Disturbing.
It's a wicked world we live in, that's for sure.

I never thought about hiding my love for horror...if it's a major problem for people, the hell with them.

[BooBerry]

I get was H78 is saying. I have a cousin, kind of off the rocker with his wild ADD or whatever, who loved watching wrestling and UFC. He's been in several fights, some of which I've seen, and actually thinks he can do the same things as his favorite fighters. It wouldn't be unrealistic to wonder what someone like my cousin would do, under the perfect circumstances, if he was an obbsessive fan of horror movies.

I'm not saying that entertainment of anything should be used as an excuse, but I at least can definately see a cooroltion between certain crimes and the things the criminals were interested/obsessed with.

[BooBerry]

AS FOR THE ARTICLE: There is nothing to suggest anything related to horror movies. There were no masks, there were no motiveless killings. They obviously went there to rob (and maybe kill), not to torment and harass simply beacause.

I bet these boys watched as many horror movies as they did action films and comedies.

[Sutter Kane]

once you associate violence on TV/music/movies/games with reali-life incidents there is suddenly an outcry from liberals and conservatives alike to start banning shit.
If some asshole wants to go cut up a family that shouldn't affect the choices I have as a consumer to watch or play whatever gore filled crap I want to.

[BigFatOgre]

It's all in the minds of the individuals. Raising is part of it. Psychology is another. You can be beaten as a kid and never hit your own or live in a perfect life and become an abusive fuck.
I used to play hardcore dungeons and dragons and various other table top rpgs.
A buddy of mine playing a late night game session filled with drinking and some drug usage followed up the game session by deciding to walk home.
On the way he ran into some dude that he believed was a goblin. He attempted to cast magic missile on him and when that failed he stabbed the dude with the knife.
The kid spent the next year in a psych ward because he really believed suddenly that he was a friggin wizard and that monsters were running around.
The mind is a screwy place.

[Darkgod]

I read that entire article and didn't see one mention of horror movies being behind this? Im just curious are you making this assumption, or did I miss something. And if they are trying to grasp to that straw, its bulllshit.

[Sutter Kane]

It's all in the minds of the individuals. Raising is part of it. Psychology is another. You can be beaten as a kid and never hit your own or live in a perfect life and become an abusive fuck.
I used to play hardcore dungeons and dragons and various other table top rpgs.
A buddy of mine playing a late night game session filled with drinking and some drug usage followed up the game session by deciding to walk home.
On the way he ran into some dude that he believed was a goblin. He attempted to cast magic missile on him and when that failed he stabbed the dude with the knife.
The kid spent the next year in a psych ward because he really believed suddenly that he was a friggin wizard and that monsters were running around.
The mind is a screwy place.

That never happened BigFatOGre :bs:

[BigFatOgre]

From the article i'd say they were def fucked up inividuals.
You don't go into someones house with a machette not intending to hurt someone.
If you want to keep people in the house in line you bring a gun not a piece of sharpened steel.
And no, i didn't see anything in the article blaming horror either, but the thread has merit.. Just cuz horror doesn't make your mind go "hey, i could do that" doesn't mean it doesn;t for some tweaker who might actually try to relive the excitement of the movie or game or even a book in reality - if their mental view of the world is already askewed.

[BigFatOgre]

That never happened BigFatOGre :bs:

Believe what you want.

[Get Some]

i think it was assumed because the lady and her daughter were in the middle of nowhere in a cabin...similar to the strangers

[H78]

AS FOR THE ARTICLE: There is nothing to suggest anything related to horror movies. There were no masks, there were no motiveless killings. They obviously went there to rob (and maybe kill), not to torment and harass simply beacause.

I bet these boys watched as many horror movies as they did action films and comedies.

The Strangers part is what was being thrown around in the local news stations around Boston (not that article).

At least you got the point though. Some of the other idiots in here still think the point of this thread is to blame violence on horror movies. If they'd take two seconds to read things through and put a couple of brain cells to use they'd see what the actual point of the thread is.

Unfortunately, that can be tough to ask from some people sometimes.

[BooBerry]

The Strangers part is what was being thrown around in the local news stations around Boston (not that article).


Then thats nothing more than media being media. Nonsense! :shakefist:

[BigFatOgre]

I see a point.
Some individuals have issues seperating reality and fantasy. These people have the potential to view something and bring it to the real world. Some peple may even view horror and think that that's how the world should be and try to make it that way.
And the main point is that anyone of who has this issue with separation real and makebelieve should seek help before acting out on what is building up within them and commiting horrible acts against others.
Am i close???

[H78]

I see a point.
Some individuals have issues seperating reality and fantasy. These people have the potential to view something and bring it to the real world. Some peple may even view horror and think that that's how the world should be and try to make it that way.
And the main point is that anyone of who has this issue with separation real and makebelieve should seek help before acting out on what is building up within them and commiting horrible acts against others.
Am i close???

Exactly. Fear not, you've been on the non-idiot side since your first reply.

And the bigger point is in your second-to-last paragraph. They should seek help. I'm certain people with such issues have visited this Web site.

[BigFatOgre]

:flex:Nice - i iz not an idiot.

[Sutter Kane]

It shouldn't be taken as anything more than some unbalanced fools doing something terrible, Your post suggesting people should go get themselves checked out if they have mental issues and then calling people "some Idiots around here" makes you look like your being a elite snob who knows thinks he knows better than most.

:finger3:

[BigFatOgre]

:leave:
Things are getting antsy here.

[BooBerry]

Simma down na!

[Get Some]

i dont know if i'm an idiot and i don't really give a shit what your opinion of me is...but their is no excuse for these crimes, no matter what, even if people have a distorted take on reality.. all murderers know that killing someone is wrong they all know it means at least 25-life or a death sentence in prison

[skybrick]

:flex:Nice - i iz not an idiot.

I will determine that for you :starefreak:

[Sutter Kane]

No H78 will :starefreak:

[Darkgod]

I guess I am one of the idiots but I think the same can be said for this discussion. I mean your trying to say what... since we are horror fans we might snap? I've been a horror fan for 29 years, as violent as I have ever thought was punching someone in the face. These guys where justing do a robbery, and it went bad. Why because it was in a rural cabin, or because a machete was used, it gets tied back to a horror movie. Bollox. Who knows if any of these morons even seen it. more then likely it was a robbery, and they grabbed whatever sharp edged weapons they could grab.

Now, I don't know why this is even getting brought up, since you yourself said it isn't supposed to be about a horror movie. But then why say to us, we should get help if somehting is going wrong since we belong to this site? You call us idiots, but your not making much sense yourself.

[skybrick]

oh well in that case :ahheh:

[Darkgod]

The Strangers part is what was being thrown around in the local news stations around Boston (not that article).

At least you got the point though. Some of the other idiots in here still think the point of this thread is to blame violence on horror movies. If they'd take two seconds to read things through and put a couple of brain cells to use they'd see what the actual point of the thread is.

Unfortunately, that can be tough to ask from some people sometimes.

In your first post, you say it obvious what they where trying to recreate. Yet now you say we're idiots for thinking its blamed on the movies?

[Sutter Kane]

Now, I don't know why this is even getting brought up, since you yourself said it isn't supposed to be about a horror movie. But then why say to us, we should get help if somehting is going wrong since we belong to this site? You call us idiots, but your not making much sense yourself.

Exactly, no one wants hear that shit. What were you thinkg H78? Someone on this message board would read your stupid post, get help and somehow you would avert a murder?

Get a hold of yourself. :straightface:

[KTcat]

The mind is a fragile thing and every person has the capability to snap at anytime. Life is stressfull, things go wrong, people die, hurt you, and things like that can take their toll. Although most people know right from wrong everyone has dark thoughts every now and then. To deny this would be a total lie. I think the fact is that almost everyone has the capability to realise that these thoughts are wrong and therefore they never dream of acting them out in everyday life. The sad fact is that a small minority do. Whether this is down to upbringing, lifestyle, friends influencing them, mental issues or the type of films they watch these people obviously do not posses any ounce of compassion for others, be it family, friends or total strangers.

What im trying to say is that everyone has their own thoughts and opinions of right and wrong, and everyone has the capability of thinking bad things, most of us however know where to draw the line.

These four boys will never face a punishment worthy of the crime, not in this life anyway.

[IKickAssForTheLord]

It's H78 bein' H78. "It is what it is".

I don't see any horror from it. I just see 4 stupid kids.

[HEKTIK15]

once you associate violence on TV/music/movies/games with reali-life incidents there is suddenly an outcry from liberals and conservatives alike to start banning shit.
If some asshole wants to go cut up a family that shouldn't affect the choices I have as a consumer to watch or play whatever gore filled crap I want to.


I read that entire article and didn't see one mention of horror movies being behind this? Im just curious are you making this assumption, or did I miss something. And if they are trying to grasp to that straw, its bulllshit.

Well said......it's a shame it happened , it's only about an hour from my town....but you can't blame anything like movies or games only the choices they made.

[Lemmywinks]

A person who makes what they watch reality is seriously fucked up and needs help end of story. What we have here are 4 dipshit teens who god knows why commited this crime. Can't blame The Strangers or any other movie on the fact these kids are fucktards.

[satanocat]

Movies can only provide these people with outlines on how to do whatever they're planning on doing. But they can not cause anyone to kill. If you're planning on murdering someone, something's not right upstairs. All the movies can do is make you want to emulate what is shown on screen. If you show Disney movies to convicted murderers, shouldn't they have no urge to be violent or kill anyone with that absurd theory?

i dont know about that one, that would make me go machete apeshit.
in all seriousness tho, no one wants to admit that a bunch of teenagers are capable of having the free will to do something like this, especially friends and family. so of course they are going to put the blame on anything and everything, give it time.

[Sutter Kane]

We all know there is only one movie that can make you kill people. Le Fin Absolue du Monde.

John Carpenter taught us that. :straightface:

[Chinadoll]

I think that it's easier to point fingers at things such as, horror movies, violent video games and the horrorcore music scene, then it would be to face the fact that there are sick people in the world and that those people could hurt other people, or worse.. kill them, and most show no signs of being able to do such things.

Virginia Killings (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090922/ap_on_re_us/us_virginia_killings)

[Sutter Kane]

Read About those Horrorcore killings in VA. I would like to point out a few things

1. The parents drove their teenage kids all the way to Detriot for a Horrorcore show. WTF?

2. They let some stranger ride back whom non of them barely knew. This asshole kills the whole family in their sleep.

Not the musics' fault; just poor decisions on the part of the parents that had a lethal consequence. I can tell you it would have been a different story in my house because I wouldn;t have drove my 13 year old to Detroit for an Esham show :starefreak:

[Chinadoll]

Read About those Horrorcore killings in VA. I would like to point out a few things

1. The parents drove their teenage kids all the way to Detriot for a Horrorcore show. WTF?

2. They let some stranger ride back whom non of them barely knew. This asshole kills the whole family in their sleep.

Not the musics' fault; just poor decisions on the part of the parents that had a lethal consequence. I can tell you it would have been a different story in my house because I wouldn;t have drove my 13 year old to Detroit for an Esham show :starefreak:

I really don't know if Sam ever went to Emma's house before the STFW concert, I knew they'd met a year, or more than that, in person at another concert.
And I've never talked with Sam before.. at least not that I can recall... He was friends with Sick and Raz and I haven't spoken with them in over a year or two.
But from what I've gathered from those in that scene that I still have contact with, Sam didn't seem like the type to do that sort of thing..
I'm not making excuses for the disgusting little puke. I hope they inject the bastard.
Emma and Mel were sweet girls.
And in all honesty, most of the people in that genre put up a serious front.
They come off like they're badass, but MOST (not all) are teddy bears.
And most don't believe in what they rap about, it's for entertainment.
BUT There are some people who do take it seriously.. and that's scary.
I do agree that it wasn't the music.
I think that Sam had serious issues that no one caught on to.. whatever may or may not have happened at the SFTW Concert between Sam and Emma only escalated when they got back to Virginia (imo-not saying that it's factual) and Sam snapped.

[satanocat]

Her musical tastes ran from the Backstreet Boys and bubble-gum pop star Aaron Carter to Marilyn Manson and groups such as Bullet For My Valentine and Cradle of Filth.
thats the problem right there, that little girl listened to the backstreet boys.

[cmurdur]

thats the problem right there, that little girl listened to the backstreet boys.

Aw shit.............

[ReD]

People make choices and they live with them.

Rob a bank/house or not.

Go to work or not.

Murder someone or not.

etc

Nothing more to it. Branding the horror stereotype is used only for a scapegoat to push the blame somewhere else but it's all about choice and they live with it.

[Lemmywinks]

thats the problem right there, that little girl listened to the backstreet boys.

Aaron Carter didn't help her plight either.

[Darkgod]

Aw shit.............

cue.... Beware

[Nightmares]

cue.... Beware

:whew:

[H78]

I can't believe, even after I came out and called a select few people idiots, there are still people essentially saying, "You can't blame horror movies!"

I

Can't

Believe

How

Dumb

Some

People

Are

Now, reason 1B as to why I called people idiots (1A being it had to be said) was I knew it would generate further discussion, as the "idiot" accusation would compel those in defense to elaborate on their points. +1 for H78. Thank you all for reading about not only this story but the Horrorcore story. They need to be read.

Now, if you need help, which very few, if any of you do (though critical thinking classes could be of help to many), please find some. If you browse this message board, you know who you are.

(BTW, Kick, I think you're one of the few people who had a fantastic answer to my comment. :lol: So many n00bs on this board. It's like a revolving door.)

[Nightmares]

Actually,I dont think there is a wrong or right answer in this thread...its all just personal belief,but thats just me :starefreak:

[choptop2]

Come on doctor phil, did you come to help or speak down to people?

Human beings are unpredictable and capable of doing awful things to one another.
We got it, thanks. Now what's the point, and where's the discussion?? That delusional one percent in UHM's roster of "fairly normal" people must be you, for thinking a thread on a message board will save lives.

If you want to wax pretension get a blog. :die:

[H78]

Actually,I dont think there is a wrong or right answer in this thread...its all just personal belief,but thats just me :starefreak:

Yes, there isn't a right or wrong answer to be had. You're right.

Where you're wrong is where you say it's a personal belief topic. It's not. The topic is asking people who know they need help to go out and get help. How on earth is that a topic that's up for debate?

The people who are idiots in here (not you, Nightmares) are idiots because they think this is one of those redundant "Why does the media blame violence on horror movies?" threads. It's not. In fact, I’ve made it completely clear that it’s not. What I'm saying is if a person wants to mimic what they see in horror movies, they have severe mental issues that need to be worked out. That's why I'm saying they should seek help.

This thread is supposed to encourage such people to find help, but there are people posting in here who are more focused on trying to come across as funny or witty to their online horror buddies. Thus, the point is getting lost in the muddled nonsense.

It’s so unfortunate that aforementioned idiots are having a hard time following the conversation. If people can't follow, they shouldn't be posting in the thread.

The only downfall of UHM's message board is the inability of a couple dozen posters (not ALL posters) to think and assess a topic that's just a little beyond something like "Wats ur faverite kill?!?" It isn’t like you need to be a genius, either, just in possession of patience, thoughtfulness and minor critical thinking skills. Sometimes that’s a lot to ask.

[H78]

Come on doctor phil, did you come to help or speak down to people?

Human beings are unpredictable and capable of doing awful things to one another.
We got it, thanks. Now what's the point, and where's the discussion?? That delusional one percent in UHM's roster of "fairly normal" people must be you, for thinking a thread on a message board will save lives.

If you want to wax pretension get a blog. :die:

Ok, thanks. No go somewhere else on the board where you can practice your ability to handle topics that aren't too complex and mature for you. Maybe there's another "Michael vs. Jason vs. Freddy its gunna happen!" thread you can keep up with.

[H78]

Also, this isn't about talking down to people. When I call someone an idiot, it's because they did something blatantly idiotic. If you enjoy spewing shit in a threat you can't handle, you'd better be prepared to receive it. So many of you guys work on a one way street; tough to the bone until someone pushes back. Then you cry about it.

You don't think I knew, before I posted this thread, that there would be people in here who would act this way? Of course I did, but I don't care, as long as the message gets out. A bitch is going to bitch, so let her bitch.

If you think you need help, please go find some help. Enough people are dying or being severely hurt in this country senselessly. We need to cut down on it.

[Sutter Kane]

H78...what a douche. :finger3:

[choptop2]

Yeah I am not mature enough to handle "If you take horror too serious, don't be a meanie!"

Again what is the discussion? Yes, there are people that commit murder, always have, always will. We'll never have a crime free world.


Enough people are dying or being severely hurt in this country senselessly. We need to cut down on it.
People are capable of great cruelty. Sad but true. It may seem noble to you, but is telling this to the 100 or so active members of a Horror Movie Message board really going to create waves?


Again Pointless. -1,000 points for h78

[H78]

It may seem noble to you, but is telling this to the 100 or so active members of a Horror Movie Message board really going to create waves?

Probably not.

But is it hurting anyone?

Is this doing more harm than good? Of course not. But you need to bitch about something, so it might as well be this thread.

And there is no discussion necessary for this thread. Why can't this solely be a message on a message board? It's a fact that there are mentally unstable people who currently frequent and have frequented this board in the past. Perhaps there's some redeeming value to this message on this message board if one of those people consider the point within this thread?

For you, there is no point. That's fine, apparently you're capable of rational judgment, as are most of the people here. For some, they may not be capable of rational judgment. So if you don't like this well-intended thread, please go post about Saw VI.

[koolmike]

Exactly, no one wants hear that shit. What were you thinkg H78? Someone on this message board would read your stupid post, get help and somehow you would avert a murder?

Get a hold of yourself. :straightface:

:lol2:

[H78]

K, shouldn't you be making a thread about what someone's favorite flavor of ice cream is, or what their favorite brand of bottled water is, or what their favorite Lucky Charms marshmallow is?

[koolmike]

Never made dumbass threads like that, unlike some fool from Boston that I know.

You're going to compare thread making to me? :lol: Go for it. Been generating thousands upon thousands of replies here for years. :dsp:

Don't be sore 'cause this thread sux and most of us here know it.

Your threads get worse with every visit.

The point here has more or less been made. RIP dumb thread.

[koolmike]

Let's all thank H78 for warning us about the dangers of watching horror movies :die: