Where They Went Wrong: Franchises, Trilogies, whatever

[Driden]

Freddy - Went downhill at Part 2.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PR7WW6200mg

what a piece of shit. After that he started trying to get funny and his one liners were about as bad as his sweater

Jason - Friday the 13th was never that good. So it was more about the kills than the story so imo it just got tired but Jason X really did it in.

Hellraiser - Part 3 was the beginning of the end

Halloween - Part 3. It completely used another story and used the Halloween name to sell it. Then Part 4, 5, and 6 come out which were good BUT gave us plotholes, characters went missing, explanations didn't make sense.. just bad!

Land of the dead - Holy fuck what was this shit? Its like he went overboard on the fanboyism of Bub and gave us sensitive misunderstood undead. oh how fucking sweet

[UzumakiW]

Friday the Thirteenth series
Leprechaun series
Urban Legend series

[TacK]

Leprechaun went down after 2 I think.
Freddy went down after Freddys Dead but redeemed himself with New Nightmare
Jason went down after Takes Manhattan(Seriously, when did Crystal Lake EVER have a river connecting it to New York fucking City?)
I like most of the Halloween movies but could have did without H20 and Resurrection.

[Late For Reality]

When they all went to space.

[Treefroggiefreak]

Nightmare On Elm Street 1 - 3 were great. After that it was kind of WTF.

Friday The 13th 1 - 4 were great. After that it went into just a kill count series.

Halloween 1 and 2 were great. 3 shouldn't be consisdered part of the series. 4 was decent, but five was a complete mess. I never even bothered to watch 6 in all honesty. I really enjoyed H20 and the first 15 minutes of Resurrection were good, but after that 15 minutes I wanted to kill myself.

The Leprachaun Series, I actually really enjoyed 1 - 3, but 4 - 6 blew.

[ASoron0424]

you cant be serious about the fact he wants guns and massive shootouts in his films.

You don't think Land of the Dead turned into more of a stupid action movie than horror? Steven Segal may as well have played the protagonist.

[dead breed]

The Leprechaun series after the second movie.

[ASoron0424]

What about the Scanners movies? I've only seen the first one, apparently there're like three.

From Dusk Till Dawn should never have had a sequel.

[cmurdur]

My guess is that he's saying he would have gone with Romero's Dead series if it wasnt for Land of the Dead.
But,since Land of the Dead was a bad addition to the franchise he is going with the Evil Dead series.
Thats just a guess,I could be wrong.

no, you're right.

[Misfit]

You don't think Land of the Dead turned into more of a stupid action movie than horror? Steven Segal may as well have played the protagonist.

you said romero likes it, if you seen his films that statement would make no sense

[FreddyFreakChica17]

Leprechaun: went down after number three ( I enjoyed watching him tear up Vegas, what can I say??)

Halloween: H2O and Ressurection did this series in - we need to make at least one more sequel, just so Myers wasn't killed for good by Busta Fuckin' Rhymes...:shakehead

Friday the 13th: Five ruined it - but I'll admit seven was quite enjoyable.

Nightmare on Elm Street: 1-3 were the best, 4 & 5 are watchable; 6 just amuses me, and New Nightmare rocks my socks.

[ASoron0424]

you said romero likes it, if you seen his films that statement would make no sense

Are you suggesting that there's more to his movies than just action? I agree, I'm more so referring to the Dead series, not so much his other movies; there's not really that kind of fanaticism about shootouts in The Crazies or either of the Creepshows. He's got a political subtext to his movies, particularly in the Dead series, and you can see the parallels in Land of the Dead to contemp. politics, but it seems as though that's all he had to deliver with the movie, like he really wasn't into the characters or story so much as he once was, like he was motivated to make the movie entirely out of a hatred for the Bush administration - and since he had nothing else to offer w/ it besides some bitter satire, he decided to just go all out with ridiculous action scenes for shits and giggles.

[3/6]

all the f13 are good expect for the one when the killer isnt even jason just a guy dressed up as him...

i enjoy the lepurchaun movies, espically the ind a hood ones lol

halloween 3

[skybrick]

If Halloween 3 wasn't called Halloween 3 it would have a lot more respect.

[pastor_ice43]

The ultimate demise of any horror franchise is when they throw continuity out the window. Friday the 13th was great till part 8. Part 8 held the continuity, but it was a horrible movie. Then when they came out with JGTH, it just destroyed any connections. Thats when it went downhill. ANOES falls to the same thing....all through part 5 it was fine, but then Freddy's Dead came out and blew it all to shit. Halloween has really been the only one to keep the continuity, even though there are 2 different story lines....1, 2, 4, 5, and 6...and 1, 2, 7, and 8. I personally don't care for 4 or 5, and though I don't hate 8 as much as most...it needs to be scrapped. The Halloween franchise as it stands should be 1, 2, and 7. Resurrection needs to be scrapped, and Laurie dying needs to be taken out of the story. If they want to do another, then do a good one....otherwise treat it as a trilogy and make 1, 2, and H20 it.

[pastor_ice43]

Are you suggesting that there's more to his movies than just action? I agree, I'm more so referring to the Dead series, not so much his other movies; there's not really that kind of fanaticism about shootouts in The Crazies or either of the Creepshows. He's got a political subtext to his movies, particularly in the Dead series, and you can see the parallels in Land of the Dead to contemp. politics, but it seems as though that's all he had to deliver with the movie, like he really wasn't into the characters or story so much as he once was, like he was motivated to make the movie entirely out of a hatred for the Bush administration - and since he had nothing else to offer w/ it besides some bitter satire, he decided to just go all out with ridiculous action scenes for shits and giggles.

Yes but Romero's subtext are often the things I don't care for. His movies are great...and Land is great as well...but just give me a zombie movie. It wouldn't be so bad if he used different movies to make his points, but with zombies? In Land of the Dead, the subtext was...these zombies have a right to be here, and we shouldn't be going around shooting them to hell. F that. If some grotesque monster, and thats what they are, monsters, is trying to eat me, he's getting a bullet in the head. Romero should have made his "anti bush" statement in a different movie.

[koolmike]

Biggest franchise flop = Halloween

[pastor_ice43]

Well a lot of it is that studios dont give a shit about the product as long as there's more of it.

Being that so many people blindly watch these films just because they're there doesnt help either.

If you regularly watch crap like...black christmas, the ring 2, the resident evil trilogy and the Hostel and Saw films just because they're out and you dont have anything else planned and THEN complain about the lack of quality of horror sequels and films in general...thats pretty hypocritial dont you think?

Watch this crap fro free on tv is different but paying for it and them griping just doesnt click for me.

As this is a semi on going debate I know I'v eopene dup a can of worms into the topic. But its a factor as to why we have so many lackluster trilogies, sequels and series.

I relish the day when horror fans all get together and just flat out say 'no' to a film they dont want.

It'll never happen because of taste. We agree that both the black x-mas remake and the ring 1 and 2 are crap. But I think the RE: Trilogy (not so much the last one) and the hostle, and saw movies are gold. Alot of people loved the Descent...I thought it was crap. There's always going to be different tastes. I do however agree that if you're complaining about a certain movie....paying to go see it is pretty dumb.

[brennan]

NOES is a spotty franchise at best. 1 and 3 were pretty great, though after reading some of the articles about the homosexual subtexts in part two, I have to say that I have a newfound enjoyment of it. 4-6 are pretty much shit and new nightmare was good, but pretty much jumped the shark as far as Freddy's concerned. he's done.

Child's play was fun for the first two flicks, but after that just got retarded...well, moreso, i suppose.

hellraiser lost me after part 2.

friday the 13th shouldn't have continued beyond part five or so. it kinda became a cash cow after that.

personally, I'm not that big on franchises. I think that there are far too many original ideas out there to waste celluloid on watching jason voorhees go into the woods and hack some interchangeable group of teenagers.

[Chief Falling Rock]

Halloween should have never continued after part 2