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    I think we are simply forgetting what came before. Sure there are a lot of classics that came out but when you add them up and compare that number to what came out in the same decades you would see a difference.

    Whats wrong today is we simply dont remember all the crap that came out in the 70's, 80's and 90's that completely surrounded the classics that we love today. Add to that the internet way of life now you have more eyes on the crap and less on some great classics.

    Not saying we are getting better or worse, just a few less classics in the long run but still with the crap on the outside.

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    I don't think that the genre as a whole is getting worse, you have to look beyond the hollywood remakes and most of the dtv bullshit. There are still gems being made - Behind the Mask, Inside, Redsin Tower, The Lost, etc...

    The only thing that sucks is there's just not enough original concepts being made. As good of films as Aja's are and others like Frontier(s), we've seen it all before. But at least those movies give you a quality and visceral experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustedChainsaw View Post
    They are getting worse. It's very sad. And we all know the whole PG-13 thing is for a younger audience. Those damn kids!

    What needs to happen...
    1. Stop all the remakes. Asian or not.
    2. Bring back the R rating. Forget about the children.
    3. Go back to more visceral special effects.
    4. Make them gory, but not in a way that they'd be classified as torture porn.
    5. Avoid casting novelties like Jessica Alba or Busta Rhymes.
    6. Think of more creative titles. Seriously.
    7. Make new slashers.
    You have a remake in your sig...they remake these movies because of people like you.

    Quote Originally Posted by steelba View Post
    It's actually alot better than it was in the 90's. So it definatly isn't getting worse. If you just want to compare modern horror to all time classics then ofcoarse it will fall short. Maybe your love for the genre is waining.

    Yeah I agree, today is better then the 90's. Its just hard to come up with new ideas when almost everything has been done. They just need to find different variations and ways of making these same ideas/story lines refreshing.

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    France has been churning out good horror movies lately and besides a few other movies (Inside, Diary of the Dead, Saw, Shaun of the Dead, The Abandoned, Redsin Tower, etc.), horror has been on the decline. Shit happens though. Roll with the punches.

    P.S. Aja's movies, while enjoyable, are FAR from original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead breed View Post
    You have a remake in your sig...they remake these movies because of people like you.
    Ha-ha. Yup. :eyebrow:

    Yeah, they're not all bad. I admit. But it's just that there aren't enough NEW movies to kinda counterbalance the release of remakes. It's remake after remake. Plus, with a lack of proper promotion, a lot of them tend to get familiarized, too much, with the original movie. "The Omen" had the servant and the rope, "The Hitcher" had the quartering scene. I guess I agree with what ReDPATH was saying. The goal behind the remakes used to be to explore what could be improved, and to add something new. Now it's just remakes for the sake of the years gone by since the original release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelba View Post
    It's actually alot better than it was in the 90's. So it definatly isn't getting worse.
    That's your opinion, not everyone's (and learn how to use spell check )





    Quote Originally Posted by steelba View Post
    If you just want to compare modern horror to all time classics then ofcoarse it will fall short. Maybe your love for the genre is waining.
    I'm not doing that at all and that last line is ludicrous. Another insightful response from UHM's horror genius

    Try getting involved in a discussion intelligently for once, without looking for an argument from me or anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Phibes View Post
    Mike: agreed 100 per cent! I think horror films tend to suffer from poor direction often enough. Mostly because it's a "starter" genre for a lot of filmmakers. Also, the writing tends to be stale because scripts are tailored for an eager audience: 13-20 year olds. If the writing were better, the project might attract a more seasoned director looking for a vehicle for his vision. Better writing and better direction make the difference between a film like HOUSE OF THE DEAD and a film like THE DESCENT. The simple fact is that hollywood, or any studio making a film is doing it for cash. When people want to make cash fast, shortcuts are taken. And as with any other product, the shortcuts blast quality.

    I'd watch SESSION 9 over BOOGEYMAN any day -- I'll take THE LEGEND OF HELL HOUSE over SCREAM any day.

    I agree that the shortcuts are hurting modern horror in the worst way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metapher View Post
    Actually, I didn't have a problem with the 90's that much at all.

    Definitely some good ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koolmike View Post
    Try getting involved in a discussion intelligently for once, without looking for an argument from me or anyone else.
    A few people agreed with me, ofcoarse you didn't see that.
    The only person that has a problem with my post is you :argue:

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelba View Post
    A few people agreed with me, ofcoarse you didn't see that.
    The only person that has a problem with my post is you :argue:
    I saw nothing of the sort. ()

    I speak for the silent majority

    Anyway, you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galerian View Post
    The only thing that sucks is there's just not enough original concepts being made. .
    Exactly, hence one of the reasons for this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_ov_Hell View Post
    :nod:

    Turn to Asian film, that's what I did.
    Most definitely. :nod:

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    Its is getting much harder for "original concepts" to be made, thing about it, over the like 30+ years we have seen: masked killers, ghosts, death chasing people, monsters, bugs, santa clause, torture, possession, etc.

    When someone comes up with an original idea, horror enthusiasts still rip it apart because it reminds them of TCM/Exorcist etc. and everyone writes it off.

    I am dying to write a horror script, but im waiting till something slightly original pops into my head.

    The best horror coming out right now is the mid range budget films, lets face it, low budget are worthless, and high budget cant get past a PG13 rating. Stuff like Frontier(s), Inside, Redsin Tower, AU are where it is at. I was truly terrified by these films that were shot on this budget since they felt like they were filmed as a horror movie, not someone with a camcorder, and not a film looking to attract the Friday night teens trying to impress execs.

    I have no idea where in the hell SFX went to either. Hell, even Romero is using CGI now. Get back to using blood packs and latex!

    Asian horror is doing something right, but I think it sucks.

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    Me too. Too many ghost stories.

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    While I do not believe the horror genre is degrading, I do feel the sheer volume of movies produced are making it increasingly difficult to find the better samples. As an overall trend, it seems mainstream movies are trying far too hard to appease a broader audience instead of targeting a particular genre fanset. What I think is missing the most, is the "on edge" feeling I still get while watching some of my older favorites. That main concept seems to have been replaced with a brief shock value scene in the latest "reimagining" of a treasured classic. (Although, I must admit seeing Trachtenburg take an ice skate to the head in Black Xmas was mildly entertaining.)

    This is followed with the serious lack of special effects these days. I could not begin to surmise if it is a matter of money or just a lack of respect for the audience. For example, I will always make a point to watch a werewolf movie. However, that genre, in my opinion, has been nearly decimated by the horrific CGI used. Consider the fact it's beeen almost been thirty years since Rick Baker gave us the brilliance of American Werewolf in London and our progress has given us such SFX products as Skinwalkers. CGI is a privilege, not a right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapicus View Post
    While I do not believe the horror genre is degrading, I do feel the sheer volume of movies produced are making it increasingly difficult to find the better samples. As an overall trend, it seems mainstream movies are trying far too hard to appease a broader audience instead of targeting a particular genre fanset. What I think is missing the most, is the "on edge" feeling I still get while watching some of my older favorites. That main concept seems to have been replaced with a brief shock value scene in the latest "reimagining" of a treasured classic. (Although, I must admit seeing Trachtenburg take an ice skate to the head in Black Xmas was mildly entertaining.)

    This is followed with the serious lack of special effects these days. I could not begin to surmise if it is a matter of money or just a lack of respect for the audience. For example, I will always make a point to watch a werewolf movie. However, that genre, in my opinion, has been nearly decimated by the horrific CGI used. Consider the fact it's beeen almost been thirty years since Rick Baker gave us the brilliance of American Werewolf in London and our progress has given us such SFX products as Skinwalkers. CGI is a privilege, not a right.
    Well done snapicus. I agree 100% on your point about CGI.

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    The genre is only getting better. Its about time they realized theres nothing left, nothing new to make.

    Why not just retread and work backwards. Remake everything from the 70s, 80s and eventually 90s and see where it goes because unlike other genres, this genre has a ceiling thats near reach already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hackerslacker View Post
    Its is getting much harder for "original concepts" to be made, thing about it, over the like 30+ years we have seen: masked killers, ghosts, death chasing people, monsters, bugs, santa clause, torture, possession, etc.

    When someone comes up with an original idea, horror enthusiasts still rip it apart because it reminds them of TCM/Exorcist etc. and everyone writes it off.

    I am dying to write a horror script, but im waiting till something slightly original pops into my head.

    The best horror coming out right now is the mid range budget films, lets face it, low budget are worthless, and high budget cant get past a PG13 rating. Stuff like Frontier(s), Inside, Redsin Tower, AU are where it is at. I was truly terrified by these films that were shot on this budget since they felt like they were filmed as a horror movie, not someone with a camcorder, and not a film looking to attract the Friday night teens trying to impress execs.

    I have no idea where in the hell SFX went to either. Hell, even Romero is using CGI now. Get back to using blood packs and latex!

    Asian horror is doing something right, but I think it sucks.
    I agree with everything in red. Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by koolmike View Post
    Me too. Too many ghost stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Detective John Kimble View Post
    The genre is only getting better. Its about time they realized theres nothing left, nothing new to make.

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    There are alwaysl new ideas, just takes effort to make them bloom yo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koolmike View Post
    Me too. Too many ghost stories.
    Just like the US has too many slashers and Italy has too many Giallo's.

    The reason they (Japan, China, Korea, etc) have so many ghost related flicks is because they have a very superstitious culture that also heavily believes in the supernatural world. So naturally that's what is scary to them, and obviously popular so that is what they are going to make. They have plenty of non-ghost flicks available, they just aren't being imported or marketed since that isn't what's popular at the moment.

    Same reason why we have had so many slashers killing horny teenagers, we are afraid of someone fucking up our good time and chance at getting laid.

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