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    The redefinition of Michael Myers

    Finally got around to watching the Rob Zombie Halloween remake a few days ago and it brought up some interesting discussion.

    Looking at the movie as a standalone, it was quite solid.

    Looking it as a Halloween flick though it was a bit problematic. I'm all for the remake in bringing a fresh perspective to a movie but this changed the core definition of Michael Myers in a way that I feel is not reconcilable with the original series as a whole.

    The remake introduces concepts of abuse, bullying, animal abuse, etc, that are more indicitive of a Dalhmer like serial killer rather than a slasher like Michael. To me, the concept of a slasher is there is really no deep explanation for the rage, it is what it is.

    To remake a classic horror flick is difficult. It's one thing to create a fresh, modern outlook on the story but it is quite another to redefine the character and his motives and origin. Zombie is clearly a talented filmmaker and a Halloween fan but I feel he swung and missed on his journey into the psychological factors that made Michael what he is.

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    I agree with your opinion on Michael's orgin. It felt so much better to me when there was no real reason to his rage. To know that he is just some angsty kid that thinks he's ugly is completely retarded and in no way how I feel anyone perceived his original character. But I can't agree that it was a good stand alone movie. It had some of the worst dialouge that I have ever heard. Sweet little Laurie Strode finger fucked a bagel in front of her mother. I mean what the fuck was that?

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    I like only half of the movie. Everything before Michael escapes is complete shit but after he escapes things were quite entertaining to me.

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    I liked it. Rob took the legend or story of Michael Myers and put it in his version of how the character was to be.

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    It would have been pointless for him to go with a "pure evil" concept, because that was already done in the original, so he tried something different.

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    movie was so/so

    "so what, he found a dead cat, boys will be boys right???"

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    movie was so/so

    "so what, he found a dead cat, boys will be boys right???"
    Oh come on now. Don't tell me you never jacked off to pictures of dead cats. I know I wasn't the only one.

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    A story about a psychopath with an abused background isn't all that different.

    Could have done the backstory without changing the concept of the character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh Lederl View Post

    Could have done the backstory without changing the concept of the character.
    But then that back story would have copied something else. Everything's been done. It's just a matter of how you present it that makes it different.

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    Understood, just seems like when you do a remake it makes the most sense to stick to the fundamental concept of the original.

    Could easily make a movie about an abused, bullied, mask wearing killer without it being a Halloween movie.

    Most other elements of the film were quite well done in my view.

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    Yeah, Rob Zombie really has that whole white trash thing down to an art form.

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    I think it was more of one of those "re-imaginings" than a remake. You know how they like to word things in that there Holloywoodland.

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    It was an entertaining film IMO.

    Still I won't deny Rob needs a lot of work in terms of dialogue.

    It would help if he took a walk around public areas. Not everyone talks the way he portray's them in his movies.

    Myers back story was changed so be it. Either way, I don't have a problem with either way they choose to perceive the character.

    People just didn't like that they changed him from being a mysterious evil doer to a psychopathic evil doer. Its only implied that he simply snapped because of the shit that went down. However Rob never really jumps out and blatantly says 'he had a bad childhood and because of that, he became a maniac'. However it's made to look that way which does become Rob's fault and that goes back to the way he perceives his characters with wack dialogue in all of his films.

    People are saying the same thing about Jason except in a different manner. They only want the slow moving, telporting zombie Jason of the more recent times with a big build over what the character was in the early films.

    Still all that said, I have no gripes either way.

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    If you have seen RZ's earlier films House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Reject's then you wouldn't be surprised at the character portrayal or dialogue in this movie. I for one am a huge fan of the Halloween series and didn't have a problem with RZ trying to give a reason for Myer's rage. It was a different take on the character and if you can handle Zombie's style than I feel you probably enjoyed it.

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    The theatrical cut was pretty good, but the director's cut was awful.

    Overall, not a bad movie, but too ambitious an effort. Especially after only two movies, only one of which was good (TDR).

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    -Michael's sister doesn't take him trick or treating.
    -Michael cries like a big sissy.
    -Michael kills people.
    -Michael cries more.
    -Michael magically grows 4 feet and gains 200 pounds of muscle and doesn't speak.
    -Michael randomly kills more people.
    -Michael dies.

    I mean this with every breath, with every once of blood and with every bone in my body:

    Rob Zombie's Halloween is the worst horror film ever made.

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    RZ's H is shit on celluloid.

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