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BTW... was I mistaken or was he using auto-glocks in the movie?
auto-glocks = modified semi-automatic glock pistols that fire fully automatic..
Sort of like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvTJBdRuA&NR=1
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This movie sucked. It had fun gore, but that's ALL it had had going for it. I didn't give a damn about a single person in the movie. Dominic West as "Jigsaw" was a joke. Even the final showdown between the two was anti-climatic. I actually dug his crazy ass brother a whole lot more. I would have preferred him to be the villain.
All in all I still choose the Thomas Jane movie.