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    Quote Originally Posted by WarBeast View Post

    Go back to your motherland, Boris...
    It wouldn't be too out there, to think Lunatic believes "Moose and Squirrel" are trying to sabotage his every move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop2 View Post
    It wouldn't be too out there, to think Lunatic believes "Moose and Squirrel" are trying to sabotage his every move.
    DAMMIT Man, you totally stole my next reply to his idiocy... I was gonna tell him to go shine his hammer and sickle while plotting beeg troublle for moose and squirrel.. LOL..

    Ah well... great minds think alike, I suppose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    It seems to me these folks would end up in a state-side federal pen at the discretion of (whichever) current administration and the state department. Congressional lobbying or grandstanding should play little part in it.
    Point I was trying to make was while the far left is very vocal in wanting to close Guantanamo Bay, I'll be curious to see how people feel when these dangerous prisoners are moved to their state.

    Contrary to the far left view, there are dangerous individuals there who seek to kill us in large numbers.

    One other thing is they have a far better situation in Guantanamo then they would in solitary confinement in federal prison. Hard to imagine they would be safe in general population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elduardo View Post
    Point I was trying to make was while the far left is very vocal in wanting to close Guantanamo Bay, I'll be curious to see how people feel when these dangerous prisoners are moved to their state.

    Contrary to the far left view, there are dangerous individuals there who seek to kill us in large numbers.
    I'm not sure who constitutes "the far left" or who is saying there are no dangerous individuals, there. I think how many and the degree of danger posed may be open to debate.

    For example, personally, I'd see the financiers of extremist militants as being substantially more dangerous to us than some foot soldier we picked up or (especially) was turned in to us, potentially by some local enemy or rival.

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    I guess everything is open to debate but there is no evidence that the individuals held at Guantanamo are not dangerous.

    Whether it's a terror financer or a combatant picking up a rifle and killing US troops, the point is that our civilian criminal justice system is not equipped to handle these types of individuals.

    We can talk theory all day long but there are a few key discussion ponts:

    1) Civilian trials will be nearly impossible since the public airing of evidence will likely expose classified evidence and possibly endanger lives. And what witnesses would possibly testify against suspected terrorists?

    2) Putting these dangerous individuals in civillian prisons will pose a danger to themselves and the other prisoners and guards. They will likely end up in solitary which will be orders of magnitude worse than their current conditions in Cuba.

    3) Some may be returned to their home countries and subject to torture.

    Treating captured foreign terrorists as criminals is not a viable solution, especially if they are captured outside of the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Did you miss that that's precisely what the new administration is supposed to do, here?

    Yeah, Soviets were huge supporters of the Muslims in Afghanistan, weren't they? And the Muslims in Chechnya? Not such great friends of the Russians, either.

    What does any of that even mean?
    New laws, o.k.?

    I don't want to call you any names like uneducated %*&^ but, seriously, why do you argue before you do a homework? Is it that difficult with Internet around? Is it that difficult to find out who was behind Nasser in Egypt, Assad in Syria, and practically all extremist regimes and leaders in Arab world last century and provoked Arab-Israeli wars and conflicts. Same goes to North African Muslim countries. Iraq in the Soviet textbooks was called a country chosen a socialist economic way of development and was under the Russian influence up until recently (that fact you probably knew). Afghanistan was occupied when Brezhnev got offended by Amin and we've got Kamral running pro-Soviet regime in the end of Cold War. Muslims against Muslims - how that contradicts what I wrote?

    And Chechnya - never been there but knew many Chechens. This conflict/war got minimal religious overtone. Pro-Moscow Chechens are also Muslims, another puppets. Chechnya is a part of Russia and (remember Yugoslavia and 15 Republics of the Soviet Union?) the major reason to keep it from a full independence was to prevent Russia from "parade of sovereignties". After Chechnya it could have been Ural, Tatarstan, West Siberia, etc. Another reason, popular among liberals, is oil. You can read about Chechen oil industry. Another interesting fact - the Chechen Mafia is (at least was) the most cruel in Russia centering in Moscow where thousands of Chechens live. That's another crime based with big $$$ reason of what happened in Chechnya.

    It's continuation of the same old policy of an enemy of my enemy is my friend. Iran is another card in anti-Western Kremlin policy. It's being done so openly I'm surprised we even discuss my sarcastic remarks about the best place for the prisoners to continue jihad.

    My last paragraph was about liberal minds. What's so difficult to understand? Reasons for disagreements between us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarBeast View Post
    You can beat your chest all you want, but we all know the truth! You're just putting up a front to disguise the fact that you're a Red Ruskie Commie spy and you need to be put somewhere far away from us good god fearin' Americans!

    Take your hate and go back to your motherland, Boris...
    And you can't disguise the fact that you are a moron who has no idea what's going on around him. You're an American shame. There is no place for idiots in America - otherwise the country will not survive.

    And my motherland is Israel as is my father's name. You have a problem with that too, Mr. Asshole? Btw, feel free to insult Russians as much as you want - pleasure is all mine.

    I am starting to believe that there are less problems coming from Guantanamo prisoners than from WarBeasts here in America. Price of stupidity is much higher. Only stupid idiot can read anti-Russia sentiment (sarcastic considering context) as anti-American. The fifth column in action...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunatic View Post
    And you can't disguise the fact that you are a moron who has no idea what's going on around him."
    Whatever you say, Komrade... I have a damn good idea that the collective IQ level of this board dropped significantly when you joined.

    You're an American shame. "
    An American shame, I may be... BUT... I'd rather be that than a Ruskie bigot like you.

    There is no place for idiots in America - otherwise the country will not survive."
    On that, we are in total and complete agreement... For the sake of this country, you should start packing your bags to leave immediately.

    And my motherland is Israel as is my father's name."
    Then stop bragging about being from the Soviet Union, Ivan... but to be honest, I couldn't care less where your motherland is... I'd just like to see you go there and never come back here.

    You have a problem with that too, Mr. Asshole?"
    The only problem I have here is that your an ignorant racist prick... and yep, I am an Asshole, when I deal with scum like you.

    Btw, feel free to insult Russians as much as you want - pleasure is all mine."
    The only Russian I've found to be worth insulting is you.

    I am starting to believe that there are less problems coming from Guantanamo prisoners than from WarBeasts here in America."
    Considering that WarBeasts are generally easy-going industrious creatures that only attack when antagonized by the stupidity of people like you, I'd say we're not much of a problem... intolerant racist dickweeds such as yourself, on the other hand... that's a different story.

    Price of stupidity is much higher."
    If that is true then at one time, you must have held considerable wealth, as it seems you spent a vast fortune buying a shitload of stupidity.


    Only stupid idiot can read anti-Russia sentiment (sarcastic considering context) as anti-American. The fifth column in action..."
    Well Dmitri, I see you as a flaming racist shitball that spouts anti-russian sentiment all the while cheering on a modern-day American version of a Russian Gulag... Whining about the horrible treatment of the Jewish people, while bellowing that all Islamic people are animals and should be exterminated.

    You are a bigot.

    You are ignorant.

    and worst of all, You are a hypocrite.

    You are beneath contempt, you are beyond loathsome and you are absolutely not worth any more of my time.

    Fuck off and good day.


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    No point in personal attacks in here guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarBeast View Post
    Whatever you say, Komrade... I have a damn good idea that the collective IQ level of this board dropped significantly when you joined.



    An American shame, I may be... BUT... I'd rather be that than a Ruskie bigot like you.



    On that, we are in total and complete agreement... For the sake of this country, you should start packing your bags to leave immediately.



    Then stop bragging about being from the Soviet Union, Ivan... but to be honest, I couldn't care less where your motherland is... I'd just like to see you go there and never come back here.



    The only problem I have here is that your an ignorant racist prick... and yep, I am an Asshole, when I deal with scum like you.



    The only Russian I've found to be worth insulting is you.



    Considering that WarBeasts are generally easy-going industrious creatures that only attack when antagonized by the stupidity of people like you, I'd say we're not much of a problem... intolerant racist dickweeds such as yourself, on the other hand... that's a different story.



    If that is true then at one time, you must have held considerable wealth, as it seems you spent a vast fortune buying a shitload of stupidity.




    Well Dmitri, I see you as a flaming racist shitball that spouts anti-russian sentiment all the while cheering on a modern-day American version of a Russian Gulag... Whining about the horrible treatment of the Jewish people, while bellowing that all Islamic people are animals and should be exterminated.

    You are a bigot.

    You are ignorant.

    and worst of all, You are a hypocrite.

    You are beneath contempt, you are beyond loathsome and you are absolutely not worth any more of my time.

    Fuck off and good day.

    Double post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarBeast View Post
    Whatever you say, Komrade... I have a damn good idea that the collective IQ level of this board dropped significantly when you joined.



    An American shame, I may be... BUT... I'd rather be that than a Ruskie bigot like you.



    On that, we are in total and complete agreement... For the sake of this country, you should start packing your bags to leave immediately.



    Then stop bragging about being from the Soviet Union, Ivan... but to be honest, I couldn't care less where your motherland is... I'd just like to see you go there and never come back here.



    The only problem I have here is that your an ignorant racist prick... and yep, I am an Asshole, when I deal with scum like you.



    The only Russian I've found to be worth insulting is you.



    Considering that WarBeasts are generally easy-going industrious creatures that only attack when antagonized by the stupidity of people like you, I'd say we're not much of a problem... intolerant racist dickweeds such as yourself, on the other hand... that's a different story.



    If that is true then at one time, you must have held considerable wealth, as it seems you spent a vast fortune buying a shitload of stupidity.




    Well Dmitri, I see you as a flaming racist shitball that spouts anti-russian sentiment all the while cheering on a modern-day American version of a Russian Gulag... Whining about the horrible treatment of the Jewish people, while bellowing that all Islamic people are animals and should be exterminated.

    You are a bigot.

    You are ignorant.

    and worst of all, You are a hypocrite.

    You are beneath contempt, you are beyond loathsome and you are absolutely not worth any more of my time.

    Fuck off and good day.

    Stupid idiot. Pointless rants with uber-liberal crap. Go fuck yourself, miserable piece of shit. Can't argue - don't bother. Don't even mention IQ; it's an insult to the people with brains. You can't even digest the simple idea that living over there made me such an opposite to you. Take you fucking Leftist propaganda a la Michael Moore with huge chunk of political correctness and absurdity and shove them you know where. Guantanamo Bay is like Gulag? What a putz. You know shit. I spent 30 min in a Soviet Police Headquarters visiting someone I knew while making documentary and saw more gruesome stuff the cops did to witnesses (!) than those crying babies in Guantanamo got during all these years (people who dedicated their lives to kill others aren't ready for tough imprisonment?) With assholes like you we would lose WWII - you have to be brutal against a brutal enemy. But what would you know - that's not what your liberal teachers told you.
    And don't fucking mention Jewish sufferings - like you give a shit. Yes, I never met the majority of my family, thanks to Adolf, and the Russians, Ukrainians, some others were not too shy to tell me same crap you wrote here - leave. Thanks to them, they made me a survival beast. It's being a bigot for you? Don't give a fuck. Is it really my fault that some Ivans watch Goebbels' propaganda movies in the year 2008 and write good for Germans, that's what we got to do with Jude? It's a normal human reaction towards your unfriendly enemies.
    And for you, liberal piece of shit. Those Muslims you mentioned - I would never call them animals due to respect to the animals. Did I create extreme Islamism that is not a religion - it's a political movement/ideology close in its inhuman nature to Soviet ideology (Marxism/Leninism, Russian style), Nazism, Maoism, etc. (I have a great suspicion you might like them.) I respect human rights only for those who can be called human.
    Fuck you again, shameful man.
    Anyone else disagrees with my nice sarcastic remarks about Guantanamo prisoners going to Russian re-educational camps to continue Jihad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elduardo View Post
    No point in personal attacks in here guys.
    I agree. But who would think my sarcasm (based on reality) could trigger such a reaction.

    It's difficult to argue with liberals/leftists. When you are dealing with what I would call a first phase of a suicidal insanity... Guantanamo is like Gulag???????????? How to argue with something that is sick and deadly stupid on arrival?

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    [QUOTE=Elduardo;779271]Point I was trying to make was while the far left is very vocal in wanting to close Guantanamo Bay, I'll be curious to see how people feel when these dangerous prisoners are moved to their state.QUOTE]


    Defense Secretary Robert Gates called for the closing of Gitmo. In fact, I believe he said it was "high priority." Gates is hadly a member of the far-left.

    And once again, no one is suggesting these guys go into general population. They need to be tried and convicted. They need to know why they are being held. If they are innocent of the accusations (whatever those may be) they should be allowed to go. We would want this for U.S. citizens, and it's a necessary step in reclaiming good standing in the world. I think (I hope) we can all agree that our reputation in this world has been severely hurt by our actions. That being the case, shouldn't we do something about it? Or do we just say 'fuck em...we're americans...we do what we want"?

    Myself, I'm fairly liberal, but not when it comes to crime. That said, no one deserves to be snatched up and held without knowing why. We don't do that to the worst scum in this country, and we shouldn't do to anyone else.

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    Understood Rip, what I read from Gates is he is preparing his team to close Gitmo because he anticipates Obama giving that directive soon after he takes office. I'll have to read a bit more on Gates' view.

    When I say "general population" I was referring to within the prison system. They will not be safe from other prisoners unless they are in solitary confinement and those conditions are much worse than what they have today in Cuba.

    As for the standing of the US in the world, I think we look at a bit differently. I think our main concern should be doing what is best for our country and our citizens without oppressing others.

    I think the US is a force of good in the world. The US is the most generous and charitable country in the history of the world, even towards governments whom we are not overly friendly with. The US attempted to do a noble thing in Iraq, despite the problems and cost. No country is perfect.

    Gitmo is a PR problem, no doubt, but it is far from a Gulag or torture camp. If there is a creative alternative to Gitmo, let's have the debate. Bottom line, I'm for whatever works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunatic View Post
    I agree. But who would think my sarcasm (based on reality) could trigger such a reaction.

    It's difficult to argue with liberals/leftists. When you are dealing with what I would call a first phase of a suicidal insanity... Guantanamo is like Gulag???????????? How to argue with something that is sick and deadly stupid on arrival?

    Back to movies. After all, am I assistant director/cameraman or brain re-washer?
    "Sarcasm" or not, the namecalling on both sides has no place, here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    "Sarcasm" or not, the namecalling on both sides has no place, here.
    If in your mind sending Guantanamo tenants to Russia to be re-educated in special camps does not sound sarcastic please feel free to use "sarcasm" instead.

    Name calling could be close to reality too. Call me Russophobe with a hint of vengeance - what "reds" and "russkies" got to do with me in this content? He just didn't like my non-liberal view on those lovely tenants.

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