Vampires are still monsters, aren't they?

[steelba]

there were sobbing em0 zombies in Land of the Dead

[Red]

True.

In many minds, Romero may go 0 for 3 in regards to his 3 new zombie movies recently. I keep going back and forth with Land and Diary suffered from horrid acting but I felt like it was a movie that had no business being as poorly executed as it was for its concept.

I almost lean towards the crowd that believe he is a hack these days.

Still his original 3 movies will always have my support.

[steelba]

yeah he is not what he use to be, and it's doubtful he gets any better..

[BooBerry]

My problem with this discussion is that it's not based on vampires. It's based on a type of vampire.

Like most everyone else, I prefer the evil, deadly bloodthirsty killers, but by no means are those "true" vampires.

If you actually read about vampires, they're really nothing more besides undead people who crave blood and walk around in shrouds and cause mischief in their former homes and haunt their family members... and we really don't see movies about that do we?

So basically what we're arguing is which type of vampire do you like better. Not which one is the real vampire. Monsterous bloodsuckers really didn't appear until the 19th century.

[Metapher]

It's a discussion based on vampires. A type of vampires = vampires, so it's still a discussion on vampires, but I understand what you mean.

I'm gonna stick with my example. If you go into a thread called "Zombie talk" or whatever, admit it that you go in there to talk about the flesh eaters, and not voodoo?

The thread is made so you can talk about vampire movies, and since you said yourself that we don't really see movies about the "true" vampires, then we can't really talk about them that much in terms of talking about movies. Right?

And I don't feel like going through the thread, but did we say the brutal bloodsucking vampires were the real ones? It's an opinion if so. Again like how flesh eating braindead zombies are the "real" ones to most people.

[KING]

I hate "new age" vampires. But the good films far outweigh the bad.

Greatest vampire movie.. Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust. It blends the romance aspect with brutal killer vampires, bad arse monsters, violence, an excellent story and great unique characters. Everything you could want in a film.

[steelba]

yeah but it's an anime.
Fright Night and the Lost Boys are my fav vampire 'Films'

and there are no true or real Vampires b00fairy, there all fictional incarnations :starefreak:

[woodenheart]

Vampires are my favourite evil beings of all time. I like the story behind them..and love to watch them on the screen. Whether it be criminals in From Dusk To Dawn, to your next door neighbours in Fright Night and even the melancholic aristocrats in Interview with a Vampire. I dig them all. Like it was stated above there are alot of great movies out there that outway the bad ones..Fuck that sparkling, baseball playing vamps in Twilight and I hated the rock star version in Queen Of The Dammned. George Romero's Martin was awesome.
Here are some faves for me:
Forsaken
Salems Lot
Blade.. I II & II
Lost Boys
Gary Oldman in Dracula...brilliant!
Dracula 2000
Underworld
Subspecies
Near Dark
Lifeforce...sci-fi/vamp
The Night Flyer
30 Days of Night
The Addiction
John Carpenters Vampires
And of course Dracula 1931...classic!

[BooBerry]

and there are no true or real Vampires b00fairy, there all fictional incarnations :starefreak:

[Necromancer]

Watch Andy Warhol's Dracula and I can just about guarantee that you'll have a better appreciation of the "new age" vampire. Nosferatu and Dracula are my favorites by far. Not sure if you'd like it, but I'll mention it anyways. Count Yorga ,Vampire I do believe that it was originally supposed to be porno, but wound up in the horror genre .

[cmurdur]

Isn't a vampire biting your neck an allegory for rape? Not the most romantic thing in the world. What did Dracula do? He broke into women's houses at night, did his thing, and left her feeling strange and confused.

[Godfatha]

Isn't a vampire biting your neck an allegory for rape? Not the most romantic thing in the world. What did Dracula do? He broke into women's houses at night, did his thing, and left her feeling strange and confused.

It's a allegory for sex in general. If anything, an allegory for nymphomania.

Also, I think you're being overly nice to older vampire films like Dracula with Lugosi and the Hammer films, as the vampires in them were all suave and debonair aristocratic types who happen to be undead fiends and would go off only when woo'ing their victims became impractical. They're the very reason vampires in Interview or Dracula 2000 and others act 'gay', as it were.

Of course 'Dracula' is meant to be something of a tragic character more so than the relatively nameless/faceless'vampire' of say From Dusk til Dawn or JC's Vampires.

[snapicus]

Blade was an okay fun movie, I just never think of it as a vampire movie actually.
And I don't mind all romance, and Gary Oldman's flick is actually quite alright, but I prefer Bela there. Of course vampires are seductive and romantic creatures, I don't mind it, but I want them to be monsters too. There are several films I've liked that has the typical hot woman being a vampire, and she seduces someone and whatnot, but the film still keeps it's horror.

Vampires stalking around a house and stuff can be very scary.

Salem's Lot is the only vampire film that scared me, and the scene that was the scariest as a kid was when the kid is sleeping and the vampire is outside of the window. Great scary stuff.

Thanks for bringing that childhood memory back! Damn scratching on the window gave me nightmares for a month way back when.

[Tragicallyhip]

I'm a big Gary Oldman fan, but Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula actually did a lot for the romantic-pseudo-vampire cause. Although his Dracula was definitely a monster, it was also a monster primarily motivated by his dead girlfriend. Not blood. Not spreading his dark wings around the globe. Not just plain, old nastiness. His dead girlfriend.

By adding that- which had absolutely no part in the novel or in most of the earlier versions- into a big-budget, exceptionally popular film, Coppola basically pushed the romantic vampire bit into the spotlight. Then we get all the major films that follow the same line- Interview With The Vampire etc. These days it's almost impossible to find a film that paints vampires as purely evil. John Carpenter's Vampires was one of the last. Even the otherwise excellent Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust couldn't resist putting a romantic subplot in.

The recent remake of Salem's Lot did well to avoid it though.

[BirdN2beaR]

You can blame Underworld for ruining Vampires. :nod:
You can blame Romero for ruining Zombies. :nod:

BUT ONLY IF....

...YOU BLAME MICHAEL BAY FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A HACK

[deadcellsociety]

You can blame Underworld for ruining Vampires. :nod:
You can blame Romero for ruining Zombies. :nod:

BUT ONLY IF....

...YOU BLAME MICHAEL BAY FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A HACK

How DARE YOU say Romero has ruined the zombie genre?!!!!!

[Horror_Maniac88]

The vamp movies i like the most are blade 1 and 2 the underworld movies and from dusk till dawn them one i think are the best.

[Bella]

Sounds like date rape

[jabbawockee]

Maybe I haven't been paying attention but since when has Romero been credited for ruining zombies? If anything I would think he could be considered the grandfather of the sub-genre. But I digress, This is why I hate vampires, no one can give you a concrete definition of the character. Are they tragically inflicted with a curse? Are they cold emotionless killers? Are they peacefully trying to co-exist? Or are they club going ravers trying to take over the world with genetically engineered versions of themselves?

Fuck vampires, Werewolves are much better

[steelba]

Fuck vampires, Werewolves are much better

agreed.