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    I love how Eugene made a reference to Wilkes-Barre.
    Wilkes-Barre is in PA.
    I live in Wilkes-Barre, and it's a shit-hole.
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    So the rumors were true,
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    they did kill Carl.
    Interesting, not surprising given he has no part in the show anymore.


    AMC really needs to get their shit together, ever since season 2 they've had some serious leaks.

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    Didn't care for the episode everything was so damn dark you could hardly see what was going on in the various scenes. Everything seemed to be a total and complete mess the way they jumped around...sure it was deliberate but I still didn't care for it. I would have to say that this is the worst episode for me in the series by far
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    kind of had that feeling Carl was being written out of the series when Carl and Negan were having that conversation


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    Like, so many people out there were trying to track this down. And it just...got delivered on a tweet. What the hell.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer View Post
    Didn't care for the episode everything was so damn dark you could hardly see what was going on in the various scenes. Everything seemed to be a total and complete mess the way they jumped around...sure it was deliberate but I still didn't care for it. I would have to say that this is the worst episode for me in the series by far
    Its pretty par for the course for the past two seasons. Bad writing, bad directing, bad lighting, bad sound, bad everything.

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    To me it just seemd kind of thrown together and rather disjointed. Poor mid finale IMO.

    On a more personal positive note...
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    I think the big C getting his meal ticket punched was the highlight of the ep. Never cared for his character to begin with. Too much of a moral compass with a dude who has had to wallow most of his life amidst the shit storm. With a fairly limited amount of time from which to draw life experiences from he should've been more hardened.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo View Post
    To me it just seemd kind of thrown together and rather disjointed. Poor mid finale IMO.

    On a more personal positive note...
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    I think the big C getting his meal ticket punched was the highlight of the ep. Never cared for his character to begin with. Too much of a moral compass with a dude who has had to wallow most of his life amidst the shit storm. With a fairly limited amount of time from which to draw life experiences from he should've been more hardened.


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    So, ive been complaining about this for years now. One of Carls key developments in the comics was him killing the brother.... this showed us that Carl was more equipped for this new world than the adults were. Something they gave to Carol and of course, it was the little girl. The problem is, when they changed this, they didnt realize how drastically it changed Carl's character from the comics. And since the writing staff have zero imagination, it wrote them against a wall. Now.... on to some bitching.... this show has turned into such shit that i just didnt care tonight. For a character who i should have been so emotionally involved in, since episode 1, i didnt care. Part of its because of how badly they've screwed the characters up, part of its how badly they construct the episodes, and part of its how they always foreshadow for an entire episode.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bravenewworld1 View Post
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    So, ive been complaining about this for years now. One of Carls key developments in the comics was him killing the brother.... this showed us that Carl was more equipped for this new world than the adults were. Something they gave to Carol and of course, it was the little girl. The problem is, when they changed this, they didnt realize how drastically it changed Carl's character from the comics. And since the writing staff have zero imagination, it wrote them against a wall. Now.... on to some bitching.... this show has turned into such shit that i just didnt care tonight. For a character who i should have been so emotionally involved in, since episode 1, i didnt care. Part of its because of how badly they've screwed the characters up, part of its how badly they construct the episodes, and part of its how they always foreshadow for an entire episode.
    Yea, can't disagree with any of that.

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    What happened to all of Rick's people keeping a lookout at Negan HQ to make sure they didn't get out? Did everyone just leave after Daryl plowed through the front?

    Anyway, some thoughts on the finale:


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    Carl going out wasn't a surprise, but getting bit by a zombie wasn't really what I expected. It's a little sad considering I sorta liked his character.

    And how many damn Saviors are there!? It seemed like they were getting taken out pretty good for a while there and now it's like we're back where they started from. It's like everyone respawned or something. And STILL not one of Negan's top guys have been killed off. In fact, no one of importance really died at all .



    Weak mid-season finale overall, in my opinion.

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    Looking forward to the FINAL episode. This show SUX!

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    Here's an idea...The Walkers give up on all these assholes cause they're not even worth eating and just kill themselves.

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    Another thing that really bothered me was that they made this episode 90 minutes long, and yet it seemed there were more commercials and they were longer than usual.....probably made up for the additional 30 minutes

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    Like, so many people out there were trying to track this down. And it just...got delivered on a tweet. What the hell.






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    I wanted them to kill Carl 4 seasons ago. I was actually hoping they kept him around when Rick captured Negan and held him hostage in Alexandria. I was so excited to see Dark Carl and his relationship with Negan moving forward.

    I was set on someone like Morgan dying. I always expected to see Carl live until the end of the show.
    Totally didn't see that coming..

    Really loved the dialague between Negan and Carl when Negan was standing outside the front gate of Alexandria.
    Kudos to Chandler Riggs.. his acting during this episode was top notch.

    And Jeffrey Dean Morgan is always brilliant.

    I'm glad Jerry didn't die.
    King Ezekial is also pretty cool.

    Damn, even some of the Saviors crack me up. Especially Simon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkSuperman View Post
    I wanted them to kill Carl 4 seasons ago. I was actually hoping they kept him around when Rick captured Negan and held him hostage in Alexandria. I was so excited to see Dark Carl and his relationship with Negan moving forward..
    The problem is Carl is the main character of the story, its his story of growing up in this world.
    Ive been begging for the show to take more creative liberties, and i actually don't mind this change because well...... the show's already gone to complete shit..... but the producers and writers have proven they cannot stray from the comics in any kind of useful or meaningful way so im curious how they expect to move forward.
    I was actually hoping the daughter would die.

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    It's going to be interesting how things pan out moving forward without Carl.
    I never expected Carl to die period, let alone before Rick.
    Like I mentioned earlier, I really wanted to see a darker side of Carl while engaging with Negan.

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    Gimple's reasoning for killing Carl so that Negan can live makes about as much sense as anything else on the show in recent seasons.

    My hope is with contract negotiations coming up. Most of the cast hold the show hostage and they only agree to contracts that see the show end in Season 9 or they walk. If enough of them do that, AMC's hand will be forced. I already see the long con job of merging the FTWD characters over to the main show via Morgan and I doubt the Fear cast is gonna want to be known as the 'replacements' to keep milking the main show. Not only that, most of the TWD fandom can't stand the Fear characters anyway.

    With ratings declining since Season 5 and dropping all the way down to Season 3 levels. The Network really should just admit defeat and give it a proper end game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ŔęĐ View Post
    Gimple's reasoning for killing Carl so that Negan can live makes about as much sense as anything else on the show in recent seasons.

    My hope is with contract negotiations coming up. Most of the cast hold the show hostage and they only agree to contracts that see the show end in Season 9 or they walk. If enough of them do that, AMC's hand will be forced. I already see the long con job of merging the FTWD characters over to the main show via Morgan and I doubt the Fear cast is gonna want to be known as the 'replacements' to keep milking the main show. Not only that, most of the TWD fandom can't stand the Fear characters anyway.

    With ratings declining since Season 5 and dropping all the way down to Season 3 levels. The Network really should just admit defeat and give it a proper end game.
    Well, the shows screwed without Carl as i have no faith in them being able to craft an original story without source material.
    So what makes sense is that they'd end it with 9, 9 being the whispers, and then............ reboot time!

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    Relax peeps..
    Let's wait and see how everything pans out before making accusations.

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    So sick of this show.

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    Maybe Carl will bite everyone on the show. That would be interesting.
    Or better yet, maybe Rick completely loses it and keeps Carl as a pet.

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