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    Quote Originally Posted by FrighT MasteR View Post
    Nothing from Hollywood will ever be original again, itz just a fact because of the greediness in the studios. They'd rather "re-invent" than create something new if it means more $$. It's too risky to try something that they have no idea will work or not
    Certainly the studios are greedy. The greed isn't the blame for the lack of originality though. That blame goes to the people that keep paying for unoriginal movies. As you somewhat stated they aren't going to risk money, if people keep paying for the same old stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkgod View Post
    Luris is right... us horror goes in cycles... universal monsters, big monsters, gothic, slashers, scream clones, jap remakes, us remakes of classics.... soon there will be a new fad
    Exactly.

    So unless a fad comes by that is actually worse than that 90s bullshit "comedy with horror" genre that we had to endure, I'll try to remain more introspective about the state of affairs.

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    The Cycle is undeniable but that only pertains to mainstream horror. Films with constricted budgets usually ignore the fad and hit their stride..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luris Blear View Post
    Horror goes through phases. It's happened before with the Universal monsters. It will come around again.

    The studios (like it or not) invest more money in a lot of these movies than many people will see in a lifetime. They need the return of a whole hell of a lot more money than many of us will see in a lifetime or else they go broke. That means gaffers and matte artists are pretty well fucked, too. I mean, the system as is does pay the bills on the bottom rungs, too.

    The information age is opening up to us like a three dollar whore. This can be a great time for non-Hollywood types to make their move. The thing is, they are going to have to step up their game. There will always be a base for "it isn't Hollywood" types who will watch anything. I have the feeling there are a lot more horror fans who don't give a damn where it came from as long as it appeals to them and is executed well enough. (I use the word "appeal" for countless reasons. First and foremost that horror is a very personal thing.)

    I'll forgo the obvious indie horror title and go with The Deaths of Ian Stone. The ideas were, if not 100% fresh, an exciting combination of concepts into a new whole. "Story" wasn't replaced with "endless angst-ridden jabbering." Gore was present when someone was murdered, but wasn't the purpose of the movie either. It appeals to me as what Indie fillmakers could do when they pull their focus away from one branch of horror, and what Hollywood could be getting behind to excite their audiences.

    But even most indie studios are in it for the buck. No one seems to care if the Computer Graphics look more like Roger Rabbit than any image of horror. Even too many who are in it for the art seem to get blindsided by a limited view of what horror is, or worse -- too busy trying to be the Anti-Hollywood. This is sad, too. Hollywood has spent the last several decades aping the risks that indy filmmakers made successful. Too many indie filmmakers seem scared of doing that, when they obviously have the drive and vision to give Hollywood a firm kick in the jewels.
    Wow, good insight. Then again, no matter horror moving in cycles, there are horror genres out there which almost consistenly remain as cult favorites and critic favorites which never really hit the mainstream that hard. Perhaps the best example is Psychological horror genre. Take Jacob's Ladder for example. Brilliant film but mostly forgotten nowadays. Its sad for the film industry when currently the most popular and best "spokesman" of psychological horror is a video game franchise (Silent Hills).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEITTI View Post
    Wow, good insight. Then again, no matter horror moving in cycles, there are horror genres out there which almost consistenly remain as cult favorites and critic favorites which never really hit the mainstream that hard. Perhaps the best example is Psychological horror genre. Take Jacob's Ladder for example. Brilliant film but mostly forgotten nowadays. Its sad for the film industry when currently the most popular and best "spokesman" of psychological horror is a video game franchise (Silent Hills).
    'Psychological horror' is just a horror fans way saying 'psychological thriller' and plenty crap films have been released under this banner in recent years. They just tend to be less obtuse than Jacob's Ladder (from an average filmgoers perspective) and star Sandra Bullock.
    Every 'cycle' will have crap along with a few good films. It's nothing new or geographically centered

    Doesn't have to be Hollywood either. The French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, etc will all have cycles. Their films tends to get away with more or be inherently weirder, so we seem to overlook the cycle when something like Martyr's or any number of Japanese ghost films are released here.

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    I think a lot could be said about non US films also. Fair enough Martyrs was quite different but look at Frontiers- kids who come across weirdos who kidnap and torture, The Ordeal- again, man comes across weirdos in the country, J horror- another creepy ghost girl with long black hair over her face scaring people. ou mentioned [Rec], fair enough it was fresh and enjoyable, but then infected people chasing and trying to kill/infect people in closed spaces, not really new is it? All stories that have been told before. Not to say there originality doesnt exist, just saying its rare to find something that is completly fresh and new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linzlu84 View Post
    I think a lot could be said about non US films also. Fair enough Martyrs was quite different but look at Frontiers- kids who come across weirdos who kidnap and torture, The Ordeal- again, man comes across weirdos in the country, J horror- another creepy ghost girl with long black hair over her face scaring people. ou mentioned [Rec], fair enough it was fresh and enjoyable, but then infected people chasing and trying to kill/infect people in closed spaces, not really new is it? All stories that have been told before. Not to say there originality doesnt exist, just saying its rare to find something that is completly fresh and new.
    Very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfatha View Post
    'Psychological horror' is just a horror fans way saying 'psychological thriller' and plenty crap films have been released under this banner in recent years. They just tend to be less obtuse than Jacob's Ladder (from an average filmgoers perspective) and star Sandra Bullock.
    Every 'cycle' will have crap along with a few good films. It's nothing new or geographically centered

    Doesn't have to be Hollywood either. The French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, etc will all have cycles. Their films tends to get away with more or be inherently weirder, so we seem to overlook the cycle when something like Martyr's or any number of Japanese ghost films are released here.
    I'd say they are still fundamentally different and its a fine line between horror and thriller. Jacob's Ladder and The Shining for example, can be easily put into the horror category. Funnily youre right though, psychological flicks leaning more on horror tend to be better than half-assed psychological thrillers with psychic mothers seeing dull visions of some murderers or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelba View Post
    The Cycle is undeniable but that only pertains to mainstream horror. Films with constricted budgets usually ignore the fad and hit their stride..
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    its hard to be original now a days. like that proverb once stated: "There's nothing new under the sun" lol

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    US horror...is very pathetic. Martyrs...is far better than anything that comes out of the US!
    the only good thing I have to say coming from US is Saw. I know people will hate me for saying it but I love watching them mainly to see how fucked up the next kill scene is. Technically the originators of Saw came from Australia. Though I do believe one guy was asain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkgod View Post
    Thats not true because every year we see something new come along, that isn't a remake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishG3nt View Post
    US horror...is very pathetic. Martyrs...is far better than anything that comes out of the US!
    the only good thing I have to say coming from US is Saw. I know people will hate me for saying it but I love watching them mainly to see how fucked up the next kill scene is. Technically the originators of Saw came from Australia. Though I do believe one guy was asain.
    Did I watch a different film than everyone else when I saw Martyrs? I feel like the film I saw was what Hostel would be if Eli Roth had an interest in Sartre and existentialism. Admittedly that is generally a loftier goal than most films, let alone a horror film would aim for, but I didn't feel it was evenly dispersed through the film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfatha View Post
    Did I watch a different film than everyone else when I saw Martyrs? I feel like the film I saw was what Hostel would be if Eli Roth had an interest in Sartre and existentialism. Admittedly that is generally a loftier goal than most films, let alone a horror film would aim for, but I didn't feel it was evenly dispersed through the film.
    It did have a Hostel feel to it but to me the story was much better than Hostels. The goal they were trying to achieve in the story(then ending) is what brought the movie together for me. I just think there are few directors in America trying to make something "uniquely" their own.

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