Super 8=Cloverfield 2?????

[Darkgod]

Only problem I had with Super 8..

Spoiler...

When the guy goes head to head with the train. He gets pretty messed up..but uh..he would have been utterly incinerated.

I work for the railroad and totally agree... and a car wouldn't derail a train like that

[Chief Falling Rock]

yeah that scene made me laugh. no way in hell that would ever happen.

[Macready]

Looking at it that way, I don't think an alien would be walking around either. If I'm going to suspend belief about an alien walking around in rural America I will believe a car can derail a train in that manner

[BurnetRhoades]

...When Stan Winston died, so did the monsters.

Sorry but you're giving him credit for the work of Phil Tippet and the CGI crew at ILM. Stans crew, Crash McCree and Craig Caton in particular, did an amazing job on the full size T-Rex and velociraptor puppets but if Stan had had his way the T-Rex would have had fucked up backward bending knees.

[BurnetRhoades]

I work for the railroad and totally agree... and a car wouldn't derail a train like that

It is totally possible for a train to derail from hitting a car. The design of the train, the condition of the tracks at the point of impact and the speed of the train are all factors. If the conditions are right for just one car to go off then the train itself becomes the obstacle that continues the event passed the point of influence from the original collision.

A casual reading of the derailment wiki (and the plethora of actual causes for derailment along with the cascading and potentially catastrophic chain of events, not event, this can create) and actual derailment incidents that have occurred would be enough for a storyteller to fully justify what was depicted as absolutely believable given the right circumstances.

[Darkgod]

It is totally possible for a train to derail from hitting a car. The design of the train, the condition of the tracks at the point of impact and the speed of the train are all factors. If the conditions are right for just one car to go off then the train itself becomes the obstacle that continues the event passed the point of influence from the original collision.

A casual reading of the derailment wiki (and the plethora of actual causes for derailment along with the cascading and potentially catastrophic chain of events, not event, this can create) and actual derailment incidents that have occurred would be enough for a storyteller to fully justify what was depicted as absolutely believable given the right circumstances.

Your incorrect... a minor derailement, such as a wheel on the ground or even a couple cars. Yes. Cars colliding into each other and throwing off the rails, absolutly not.

[BurnetRhoades]

Your incorrect... a minor derailement, such as a wheel on the ground or even a couple cars. Yes. Cars colliding into each other and throwing off the rails, absolutly not.

If an animal or tree limb or the ratio of speed to friction between the train and the tracks, minus any outside force, could derail a single car then the complete derailment of a train traveling way too fast at a spot with just the wrong conditions then I'm not convinced a total derailment is impossible.

Uneven distribution of weight between the cars could also influence crash dynamics. Several of the cars were carrying loads of the Unobtainium spaceship materials which likely made for a lighter than expected cargo given the volume being transported. The distribution of these lighter and heavier cars coupled with an assumed higher than normal (or legal) speed limit or cargo standards could create unforeseen issues and higher than expected forces. That's simple F=MA level physics.

Flying through the air, at the heights and distances depicted, that I might give you is total creative license but insisting a complete derailment is unbelievable I find unreasonable criticism given actual train disasters that have occurred with normal trains under normal loads going normal speeds.

[DMHead777]

and I'd trust someone who works for the railroad over someone who reads wiki's

[Darkgod]

If an animal or tree limb or the ratio of speed to friction between the train and the tracks, minus any outside force, could derail a single car then the complete derailment of a train traveling way too fast at a spot with just the wrong conditions then I'm not convinced a total derailment is impossible.

Uneven distribution of weight between the cars could also influence crash dynamics. Several of the cars were carrying loads of the Unobtainium spaceship materials which likely made for a lighter than expected cargo given the volume being transported. The distribution of these lighter and heavier cars coupled with an assumed higher than normal (or legal) speed limit or cargo standards could create unforeseen issues and higher than expected forces. That's simple F=MA level physics.

Flying through the air, at the heights and distances depicted, that I might give you is total creative license but insisting a complete derailment is unbelievable I find unreasonable criticism given actual train disasters that have occurred with normal trains under normal loads going normal speeds.

I do this for a living and have seen my share of derailments... no animal, no tree limb is going to derail a train. When I was a kid I was told a stick of butter could derail a train. those cars w/o anything in them... weigh 100-200k pounds.. at that speed, the train will plow right through that.

[choptop2]

True it was a little unbelievable that a truck could derail a train, but it's also a movie about an alien stealing microwave ovens to rebuild a spaceship. So I can let it slide.

Spoiler...

It was a fun movie the stuff with the kids making a zombie movie was hilarious, and I liked how the alien was kept mysterious, but I wish they actually explained some stuff. Why was the alien hanging people upside down, where they going to be food, fuel, what?? Also the final look of the creature was a bit of a let down.

[BurnetRhoades]

I do this for a living and have seen my share of derailments... no animal, no tree limb is going to derail a train. When I was a kid I was told a stick of butter could derail a train. those cars w/o anything in them... weigh 100-200k pounds.. at that speed, the train will plow right through that.

I don't watch the news often but even I remember this one:

http://clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/article.php?id=571


...this was a parked truck, though the force of a truck moving opposite a speeding train, like in Super 8, would contribute to the total force of impact somewhere in the region of rounding error.

Trains aren't held to the tracks by magic.

[Chief Falling Rock]

funny the dumbass shit horror geeks argue over

[Dexter]

Watched this last night and got to be honest, it's a big pile of dog turd.

JJA puckers up and sucks Spielberg's ass.

Super 8 ?

Masturb 8 more like.

[Darkgod]

I don't watch the news often but even I remember this one:

http://clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/article.php?id=571


...this was a parked truck, though the force of a truck moving opposite a speeding train, like in Super 8, would contribute to the total force of impact somewhere in the region of rounding error.

Trains aren't held to the tracks by magic.

Your grasping at straws... I said a car could knock a train off the tracks, but wouldn't be able to start piling up the train cars like the movie. Your story says it derailed and slammed into a another train to pile up the cars.