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    I could honestly give a shit about whether the quality is great in a movie, in the end. Good quality definitely helps, but in the end, it's all about stories for me. If it's a great story, but looks like some child made the entire thing out of their Play-Doh, then I'll still say it's a decent movie. It's the same for UG horror. I don't watch UG horror as much as I used to, ever since I first watched Guinea Pig. Won't lie, not much of a story there, but I kind of enjoy watching gory movies too, so it kept me fairly entertained. However, that's all I can really say about a movie like that. The gore looked good, but no real story line. Wouldn't want to watch it a second time because of it. However, I have seen some other UG horror movies with pretty good story lines, like the Red Room series. Sometimes low budget films do have very good story lines because, many of the times, the people making the movie want to put a lot of effort into the movie to see their visions come to life. A lot of the times, big budget films tend to be just some story people shat out just to make money.

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    I cannot stomach most ug horror, but to each their own. I do dig Troma for some reason though.

    On a side note I do think people are grouping I independent and underground, man bites dog isn't underground to me. It was huge at CAnnes, is well
    Known by alot of people in the film industy( as opposed to most ug films not). Just because something is cheap doesn't make it underground. El Mariachi cost less then most underground movies, but it's not an UG

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    I'm one of those people that watch whatever. If I like it I like it, if I don't I don't. It's as simple as that. Just because a movie is made cheaply doesn't mean it doesn't have a good story. Look at the bigger budget movies with shitty CGI graphics that looks faker then fake blood you could buy at party city. That is why we're all on this forum, we love horror, look at wooden she said she didn't know about UG horror until joining, and now she's like the queen of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataclysm View Post
    Everyone pretty much touched on the reasons why I like underground cinema, but I'll give my opinion anyways.

    With Hollywood movies, there is no one person making the movie and by that I mean you have the writers version, the directors version, the producers version, the studio executives, the MPAA and test audiences who all have an input on the movie and give us the final result. You have the MPAA deciding what we can and cannot watch, and remove anything they feel is inappropriate since they obviously know what's best for us. The studio executives have their fingers on all aspects of the movie and decide what should be done that will get them the most money. When they have a semi-final product they grab some random people and show them the movie and then adjust the changes based on how they scored the movie. The problem is that these people are not the "voice" of the audience for that particular movie, if you show someone who is conservative, a horror movie of course they are going to give the movie a bad score but they don't care. They've decided these small groups of the people represent the opinions of the populous as a whole and what ever they say they want changed the people behind the movie will change it, for better or worse.

    With underground cinema, you get the vision of one person (or in some cases a group of people who share the same vision) , the one actually making the movie. Sure they get input from various sources but in the end they are making a movie they want to make, and one that they want to see and they know that others who share the same interest in movies they do, will probably like it too. Of course there will be people who don't like it, there always are but contrary to Hollywood, independent filmmakers basically tell them to go fuck themselves. They're welcome to not like the movies but they aren't the ones who the movie is made for so who really cares one way or another.

    For artistic merit, mainstream cinema has none. I know how everyone talks about how gorgeous such-and-such movie is with all of it's glorious CGI and I will agree it looks good to an extent but for me, at the end of the day its just another movie saturated with expensive computer effects. I want a movie that is visually stimulating to me, a movie that could almost be a piece of art. You'll never see a mainstream flick that looks like Tetsuo the Ironman, or any similar to filmmakers like Jordowsky, Svankmajer, Quay Brothers, Bunuel, etc. Instead Hollywood's idea of having artistic value in their movies is putting colored gel on their lights and slapping a couple filters on their camera to change the hue of the image.

    Now there is occasionally a movie that does have this quality like "The Fountain" and "What Dreams May Come" but we see how well those movie did with a mainstream audience...They just blow them off as being "artsy fartsy" and I firmly believe anybody who uses that term deserves to be socked in the eye. (Sorry, I guess that's just the "art-fag" in me taking offense and in general just hating that phrase.)

    Then there are the balls-out horror movies like August Underground, Gateway Meat, Gutterballs, 100 Tears, Violent Shit, etc. As someone said these are great movies simply because they have no limits, the only restrictions they have is budget ones. Though most usually find a creative way around these problems and come out with a better, stronger movie that just knocks the shit out of these Hollywood horror films and people like Eli Roth who truly believe that their movies are pushing the limits. Also, without these restrictions we get great horror comedies like "Special Dead" that wouldn't have a chance in hell of getting made because it could at some point in time, in some place offend somebody and we can't have that. Either everyone is happy or nobody can have the movie.

    For over priced mindless entertainment I'll watch Hollywood movies, for quality films I'll watch independent ones.

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    Still is. Like many others, he was also the one to get me started in Underground, before I spread my wings with woodenheart on this thrilling and nauseating UG journey.

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    Haven't talked to him in years. He didn't get me into the underground genre, as I had seen a few prior before meeting him, but he introduced me to some pretty awesome ones, and even ones that I still want to watch, but haven't got around to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodenheart View Post
    With Hollywood movies, there is no one person making the movie and by that I mean you have the writers version, the directors version, the producers version, the studio executives, the MPAA and test audiences who all have an input on the movie and give us the final result. You have the MPAA deciding what we can and cannot watch, and remove anything they feel is inappropriate since they obviously know what's best for us. The studio executives have their fingers on all aspects of the movie and decide what should be done that will get them the most money. When they have a semi-final product they grab some random people and show them the movie and then adjust the changes based on how they scored the movie. The problem is that these people are not the "voice" of the audience for that particular movie, if you show someone who is conservative, a horror movie of course they are going to give the movie a bad score but they don't care. They've decided these small groups of the people represent the opinions of the populous as a whole and what ever they say they want changed the people behind the movie will change it, for better or worse.

    With underground cinema, you get the vision of one person (or in some cases a group of people who share the same vision) , the one actually making the movie. Sure they get input from various sources but in the end they are making a movie they want to make, and one that they want to see and they know that others who share the same interest in movies they do, will probably like it too. Of course there will be people who don't like it, there always are but contrary to Hollywood, independent filmmakers basically tell them to go fuck themselves. They're welcome to not like the movies but they aren't the ones who the movie is made for so who really cares one way or another.

    For artistic merit, mainstream cinema has none. I know how everyone talks about how gorgeous such-and-such movie is with all of it's glorious CGI and I will agree it looks good to an extent but for me, at the end of the day its just another movie saturated with expensive computer effects. I want a movie that is visually stimulating to me, a movie that could almost be a piece of art. You'll never see a mainstream flick that looks like Tetsuo the Ironman, or any similar to filmmakers like Jordowsky, Svankmajer, Quay Brothers, Bunuel, etc. Instead Hollywood's idea of having artistic value in their movies is putting colored gel on their lights and slapping a couple filters on their camera to change the hue of the image.

    Now there is occasionally a movie that does have this quality like "The Fountain" and "What Dreams May Come" but we see how well those movie did with a mainstream audience...They just blow them off as being "artsy fartsy" and I firmly believe anybody who uses that term deserves to be socked in the eye. (Sorry, I guess that's just the "art-fag" in me taking offense and in general just hating that phrase.)

    Then there are the balls-out horror movies like August Underground, Gateway Meat, Gutterballs, 100 Tears, Violent Shit, etc. As someone said these are great movies simply because they have no limits, the only restrictions they have is budget ones. Though most usually find a creative way around these problems and come out with a better, stronger movie that just knocks the shit out of these Hollywood horror films and people like Eli Roth who truly believe that their movies are pushing the limits. Also, without these restrictions we get great horror comedies like "Special Dead" that wouldn't have a chance in hell of getting made because it could at some point in time, in some place offend somebody and we can't have that. Either everyone is happy or nobody can have the movie.

    For over priced mindless entertainment I'll watch Hollywood movies, for quality films I'll watch
    Whilst I agree with a lot of what you've said and respect your passion not all studio produced movies suffer such inteference, if the suits believe in a directors ability then they'll tend to take a back seat and let the film maker/s do their thing. Censory bodies (like the MPAA in America and the BBFC in Britain) do indeed strangle creativity although if a horror film isn't going balls to the wall splatter style then they're superfluous anyway.
    As far as cgi effects and the mongs who appreciate them as technically impressive I'm with you all the way but John Carpenter's The Thing was a mainstream feature that utilised puppetry and old fashioned technique to appeal to the gorehounds so any film... ANY film needs a strong captain at the helm to stay true to the genre, unfortunately horror hasn't really had a prime Carpenter or Craven to create gut wrenching produce in recent years. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog and after the collapse of the Italian horror movement and the subsequent dilution of the Jap Cat 3 films to relegation status mainstream shock cinema is dying on its arse.
    Finally I totally disagree with you that August Underground (and its two shit sequels) represent raw/base horror, they fucking well don't, they mark the absolute nadir of UG film making. Gutterballs was fucking brilliant though
    Overground horror has its place, I enjoy a lot of them but UG will never die and for that, I am grateful.

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    ummm, It was a quote from the former moderator of UG here on UHM. I didn't say this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodenheart View Post
    ummm, It was a quote from the former moderator of UG here on UHM. I didn't say this.

    Cata will come and copyright infringe my ass.
    I know you didn't write it but I liked it so I replied

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primetimeloser View Post
    On the recommendation front I saw a screener for #12. I thought I was a pretty interesting take on the fake snuff film. It looks like that is all the company does. Too bad some of their stuff is insanely overpriced.
    #12? Fake Snuff? Do you have any info on this film and the company behind it? Is this the twelfth film in a snuff series? Please more info, I must see! Thanks

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