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    Been reading some of the negative reviews. Saying the human characters suck (predictable), not enough Godzilla, Godzilla being an anti-hero instead of a villain, not using the Godzilla theme .. Sounds mediocre to me. I'm lowering my expectations if I see it (I don't read the positive reviews because they're either over-hyped fanboys or studio plants).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountOrlok View Post
    Been reading some of the negative reviews. Saying the human characters suck (predictable), not enough Godzilla, Godzilla being an anti-hero instead of a villain, not using the Godzilla theme .. Sounds mediocre to me. I'm lowering my expectations if I see it (I don't read the positive reviews because they're either over-hyped fanboys or studio plants).

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    I saw it last night in IMAX (just another reason I won't kick my boy in the nuts for SX_Tape). The negative reviews are very accurate, it is just a matter of if you yourself consider any of that a negative because it is all true.

    First off, Cranston is amazing! Thank God because if he wasn't the first hour or so of the film would have made me lose interest. It does indeed take a very long time for Godzilla to make his appearance which is feels even more torturous since that is why every ass is sitting in the theater. However any fan of Godzilla knows the original film did the very same thing. But for moviegoers thinking they are going to see a two hour movie chock-full of the giant lizard are going to be highly dissapointed. Even when he finally does make his appearance he is not in the film as much as you would think (or I would have liked).

    Without spoiling anything further, as I too have read reviews and it seems they are going out of their way in the negative ones to get people wanting to see this on the fence about it, going to use you as an example Count as a perfect example.

    I want this movie to do great, I want to see what Edwards can do with another since the story and his world of Godzilla is now established. With that being said I have to warn that anyone who goes into this thinking it is non-stop Godzilla mayhem from beginning to end better temper their expectations.

    I'll sum up some other thoughts below without going in depth.

    7/10

    THE GOOD
    - It's fucking Godzilla!
    - Cranston!
    - Watanabe!
    - Incredible special effects and set-pieces! Wow factor x10!
    - Many, MANY, easter eggs!
    - Godzilla is indeed an anti-hero.

    THE BAD:
    - Little to no character development.
    - I paid (well I didn't but you know what I mean) to see Godzilla. Where the fuck is he?
    - The very interesting and gripping story (thanks to Cranston and Watanabe) being told for the first hour disappears when Godzilla does appear.
    - Plot twist from the first hour doesn't have the impact it should, nor does it truly make sense.
    - Godzilla is indeed an anti-hero.

    ** Note** Yes I am aware I put Godzilla is an anti-hero under both good and bad. Truth is I just saw this last night and I am unsure still how I feel about it.

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    1954 Godzilla only went for 96 minutes. Besides, that was his first appearance but it pretty much builds up in a satisfying way. Well, we shall see, but to me it sounds like this is just one giant cocktease for the inevitable sequel.

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    People wanted Godzilla as a villain?

    That's fucking retarded. Fuck those people. Godzilla has never been a villain.

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    Don't get me wrong, the build up is nice because the story is very well done. But to wait pretty much an entire hour of a 2 hour movie before we get a glimpse of him is a little disappointing.

    As for him not being a villain, he certainly wasn't a friendly, giant reptile in the original 1954 flick. He went on a rampage and destroyed Tokyo multiple times, not the typical kind of monster you send an invite to for watching a game and drinking a few beers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurnetRhoades View Post
    People wanted Godzilla as a villain?

    That's fucking retarded. Fuck those people. Godzilla has never been a villain.
    Dude, you must be smoking crack. He was a villain in the original, Godzilla 1985 and Godzilla 2000. And that's just the ones I know of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountOrlok View Post
    Dude, you must be smoking crack. He was a villain in the original, Godzilla 1985 and Godzilla 2000. And that's just the ones I know of.
    Wrong. Man was the ultimate villain in the original Godzilla. Only someone who cannot read subtext would say otherwise. Godzilla is not a villain. Godzilla represents nature and "the folly of Man," to borrow from BOC. He's no more a villain than Frankenstein's Monster. Godzilla is Japan's story of Frankenstein in a big way. This is why he goes on and persists throughout generations.

    He becomes an "antihero" in every film where he fights an invading monster. Ghiddorah, Rodan, Mecha Godzilla, etc., etc. you name it. When he's the only monster he's not really the villain and he's typically cast as anti-hero when there are multiple monsters.

    One would think all the hoighty-toighty foreign films and obscurity you like to watch would have rubbed some film and narrative theory off onto you, no?

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    I haven't seen the film yet, but am planning to. I ever pay attention to critics....what they find to be trash I can enjoy, and vice versa all a matter of opinion.....besides the Godzilla films I have seen I liked...I haven't seen all but I've seen a good portion. Most of these giant lizard / creature films Hollywood does the creature isn't shown very often, when he is shown the shots are either from a distance or the shots aren't very clear as to what the creature looks like. When they do show nice clean crisp shots of the creature its not very often. As for Godzilla being the hero - antihero ....I'm going to have to side with BurnetRhoades on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macready View Post
    As for him not being a villain, he certainly wasn't a friendly, giant reptile in the original 1954 flick. He went on a rampage and destroyed Tokyo multiple times, not the typical kind of monster you send an invite to for watching a game and drinking a few beers.
    He didn't destroy Tokyo or screw with man because of an agenda. He has no judgement. He has no dark motive. There is nothing about Godzilla deserved of hate and, on the contrary, he is beloved by millions. Not in the fucked up way some people "love" Michael Myers or Jason or even Dracula. That's because Godzilla isn't a villain and whether the audience member is sophisticated enough to recognize what's really going on onr not they pick up on that. It's when this isn't respected that problems have occurred with respect to his films.

    There is nothing, not an ounce of Godzilla's being that's evil. He's no more villain than a hurricane or an earthquake. He progressed from being a force of nature to anti-hero to flat out children's hero up into the 1980s.

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    Wasnt he the villan in Godzilla vs King Kong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer View Post
    I haven't seen the film yet, but am planning to. I ever pay attention to critics....what they find to be trash I can enjoy, and vice versa all a matter of opinion.....besides the Godzilla films I have seen I liked...I haven't seen all but I've seen a good portion. Most of these giant lizard / creature films Hollywood does the creature isn't shown very often, when he is shown the shots are either from a distance or the shots aren't very clear as to what the creature looks like. When they do show nice clean crisp shots of the creature its not very often. As for Godzilla being the hero - antihero ....I'm going to have to side with BurnetRhoades on that one.
    You see plenty of him here, they aren't shy about it either. You don't just get glimpses of him here or there, you see the whole package, up and in your face often. That is ONLY after the first hour. Up until then you get nothing.

    But I have to say outside of Smaug, he is the most impressive creature I have ever seen. Especially in IMAX And the action set-pieces are incredible.

    As for the anti-hero stuff, I get it. It's like a bear someone finds cute and cuddly but when they go to give him a hug they get their head ripped off. Not the bear's fault, he is just being a bear. But there was still more of a sense in the 1954 film that he was a villain. I'm not counting any other Godzilla film made, just the original. I could care less about being a hero to children of the 80's because that is what he was morphed in to. Or when he would fight other monsters in the 70's and have a kid he would pat on the back.

    I was hoping this film was more along the lines of the original in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macready View Post
    But there was still more of a sense in the 1954 film that he was a villain.
    Not really true. Unless you're talking about the Raymond Burr version, which would nullify any legitimate point being made.

    The 1954 film clearly, not through subtlety or subtext or allegory or symbolism states that it's the nuclear attacks on Japan and the continued nuclear testing done by the USA and Russia that are to blame, with multiple warnings that if it didn't stop more were likely to emerge around the world. It's very explicit on this point. No blame or malice is really levied against Godzilla, the nuclear threat and reason for his emergence is always present and always the true villain and enemy. Godzilla is a consequence that must be dealt with.

    I believe "how could we create this?" is an actual line from one of the victims seeking shelter.

    The first casualties of the film, the fishermen, represent an true life casualty from above ground, post WWII atomic testing. They were a fishing boat that got too near.

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    Yes but the point is he repeatedly attacked Tokyo. Yeah he is a product of nuclear testing, not or never will argue that. I'm speaking for how I see it and always have seen it. In that movie he wasn't something that was called upon to fight others of his kind no matter the consequence. That is where the anti-hero mentality comes from. That is why I only compare this film to the 1954 original. There is no possible way you can call him an anti-hero in that movie.

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    And nobody is and haven't in this thread that I can recall. In the 1954 film, as a singular monster, he isn't an anti-hero, a hero or the real villain. One doesn't have to be villain if they're not hero or anti-hero. It's not a concept that's very comfortable in much of Western culture but Japanese culture is more fluent in subtlety. You see this all through film, anime, manga. It doesn't always translate once it gets here because of fucked up baggage in our culture and a very simplistic way of looking at the world.

    But regardless, this film is a film with multiple monsters in it and therefore this Godzilla has to be judged relative to his role in other films where he's fighting monsters. In these films he is almost universally a form of anti-hero. He's got no real choice in the matter, so it's not the same as a pirate or scoundrel either directly or indirectly preventing your demise from another entity but as the Earth is Godzilla's domain he will defend his domain.

    Even in King Kong versus Godzilla, King Kong wasn't protecting Japan from Godzilla, Godzilla was awakened through foolishness, again, and he started doing what he did, reacting to what could clearly be seen as threats in his immediate surroundings (and for a creature of his size his domain is enormous, given the roaming characteristics of virtually all other, much smaller, predatory beasts). Meanwhile, some other idiot people were bringing King Kong to the same city Godzilla was likely to attack, he escapes, does some damage of his own and the monsters end up fighting each other because of proximity after the fight is instigated by people. No hero or villain but people still being people and ultimately at fault for the whole thing.

    Say what you will about Japanese culture, they don't need to simplistically assign good and evil to everything. Godzilla doesn't have to be a villain simply because he's not a hero (or anti-hero). Without evil intentions Godzilla cannot truly be a villain. There's nothing personal. He's acting in his nature and the simple presence of an urban metropolis, raining pollution, noise, radiation, light, trace smells and tastes and an otherwise considerable footprint on the senses and environment is easy enough to be seen as a threat or provocation, simply for existing.

    If you were to take the line that he's a dinosaur given enormous size then all of these new things would be threatening to him. If he is an entirely new entity without a previous collective consciousness or instinct from living isolated from mankind then everything associated with man would then likewise be naturally seen as threatening and provoking.

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    I'd say the one time Godzilla is truly an evil villian and not just a misguided beast is in Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: All monsters attack. They reworked the story in that to where Godzilla wasn't just a dinosaur that grew due to being nuked, he was the summoning up of negative energy and pain from WWII in the Pacific and manifested into a monster of destruction. Every other time he's ranged from anti-hero creature who just happens to head for civilization and causes shit to superhero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurnetRhoades View Post
    Wrong. Man was the ultimate villain in the original Godzilla. Only someone who cannot read subtext would say otherwise. Godzilla is not a villain. Godzilla represents nature and "the folly of Man," to borrow from BOC. He's no more a villain than Frankenstein's Monster. Godzilla is Japan's story of Frankenstein in a big way. This is why he goes on and persists throughout generations.

    He becomes an "antihero" in every film where he fights an invading monster. Ghiddorah, Rodan, Mecha Godzilla, etc., etc. you name it. When he's the only monster he's not really the villain and he's typically cast as anti-hero when there are multiple monsters.

    One would think all the hoighty-toighty foreign films and obscurity you like to watch would have rubbed some film and narrative theory off onto you, no?
    There are many types of villains, though. Not all villains are 'evil'. Godzilla is an antagonist, but you could say the real villain is man. But that's used in lots of stories, like Frankenstein as you mention. Man creates monster, monster wreaks havoc, man has to deal with monster.. Doesn't make Godzilla any less a villain. Maybe not of the moustache-twirling variety making evil schemes and all that, but still a villain.

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