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    Antagonist doesn't equate to villain though, because a villain can be a protagonist.

    ...a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel; or a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.
    A dictionary definition is simply a matter of language mechanics. I agree with it but even in the "spirit" of the word Godzilla doesn't really qualify if you're not taking a biblical point of view, for instance, that can simply view the world with a two-dimensional assessment that anything not of God or praising Him is simply evil. I'm not saying you are, I'm just saying that's a POV I understand (without agreeing with it) because it needs no literary, logical or practical basis.

    Godzilla as villain isn't supported by his filmography, the intent of his creator, explicit exposition in the original film...I don't know what else to say, other than he's not fat either.

    I wonder if that's coming from mostly Japanese folks or what. They have cultural issues with body aesthetics so I take those comments more or less with a grain of salt. The Toho guy in a suit was more dumpy looking, with no real physicality or even intuitive basis for his structure on real organisms. His shape was simply what could be done with a man in the suit and what you get as the result of these crude limitations on mobility and expression.

    Artist renderings make him look better but this is where there seems to be a real issue with a weird kind of inverse dysmorphia where the idea of Godzilla is what people recall in their heads that tends to be better than the actual image of the suit. This latest design makes him look solid and muscular and more physically realistic without entirely losing either the classic, recognizable silhouette or a shape based on a theoretical guy in suit proportions.

    XPlus-Godzilla-62-NightSky-Big.jpg

    ...that's frumpy, dumpy and fat, if we're going to start pointing fingers. The new one is built like Bane by comparison. Most of the classic Godzillas are actually People of Wal-Mart fucking fat.

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    ...he's pretty much always been a fat ass until now, sometimes slightly more pear shaped, sometimes mostly thunder-thighs, but I think ultimately these recent "fat" accusations are a case of "haters gonna hate" and regardless of anything else the simple fact that it's not a Japanese production will mean some irrational excuse will be found to fault the design or execution. The slack given to the campy, let's be real we're watching a full-body puppet show, Toho films is exclusive to those films and anything else gets, all of the sudden, folks looking without their Godzilla "beer goggles" and crying foul.

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    New godzilla is FAT.

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    Richard Simmons has a cameo in this one I believe.

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    I thought that was George Lucas with his fat no-neck. Looks like new godzilla has a massive goiter or he's part frog.

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    fat godzilla

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    Was it at least better then that other remake of Godzilla?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wax Zombie View Post
    Was it at least better then that other remake of Godzilla?
    Yes, not even comparable. It is a good movie but I expected more.

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    Godzilla is Sumo Fat = Cultural Homagehas anyone seen Monsters wasn't that the directors first feature? I passed it over cuz it looked like. An even more watered down CGIer version of the Mist. Now I hear rumblings that,that flick is pseudo cult classic status, an obviously a major studio put. Their faith in this dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountOrlok View Post
    This image explains it all:
    It explains people don't understand fat, that's for sure.

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    He's not fat, he's big-boned

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    Mu'fukkas need to watch more Discovery Channel if they're not gonna pay attention in biology class.

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    "I'm not fat. It's glandular!"

    Nope, he's fat. Just accept it.

    And Monsters was pretty weak as I recall.. good use of budget and cgi effects, but characters were lame.. sounds like this is the same.

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    Accept ignorant observation by people who see but don't understand?

    Hah.

    And Monsters was actually pretty mediocre CGI, the stuff people actually noticed. There was a lot of stuff they wouldn't have noticed that was subtle and well done. What's significant about the film is how it was made for hotel and travel expenses and none of the cast+crew got abducted along the way.

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    I have just gotten back from seeing it.......I loved it, but honestly I can't help but love it since the filmmakers clearly knew me and the fan base and made this move for me.

    OK. Godzilla is freaking awesome in this film. He is a behemoth of a beast and a force to be truly reckoned with. The new monsters are amazing too. They're design looks menacing yet they're biology and why they're doing what they're doing felt actually very believable. The story was also strong and truly did justice to the whole Nature against Man plotline that's been done before.

    Sadly, the acting wasn't completly up to b par. Cranston is awesome, but not in it as much as needed. Watasabe is a little miss guided and dosn't give all he could for this film. Same with Scott-Taylor. As good as Edwards in in this, his shot himself in the foot sadly though as he thought less was more with Godzilla. He was wrong. Also, there's a number of easter eggs for the fans and almost all of them I loved, but one at the very end I felt went too far, and you'll see it when you watch it.


    Spoiler...
    I will say though that I like the new background story, that Godzilla and the MUTOs are prehistoric creatures before even the Dinosaurs that lived off of Radiation. Also...

    HIS NUCLEAR BREATH IS BACK AND IT WAS SO FUCKING GLORIOUS!



    In the end, this wasn't the greatest Godzilla film made, but it felt damn good to know it was here. Between the failure that was the 98 film and the dissapointement of being left with Final Wars (sorry, but that film sucked), this felt so good.

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    Sounds pretty spot on with my review Aurone

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