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    PC games have been using a one-off can't sell used copies for quite a while now and PC game sales have in fact INCREASED over the past few years. There's the good way to do DRM (most Steam games) and the bad way (most EA games), but the bottom line is online DRM is going to happen though I think a constant connection is really unnecessary. While I'm a fan of collecting physical media (and I still buy some PC games on disc) the discount on downloadable titles is more than enough to make up for not having a box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMHead777 View Post
    but you can't ignore the new systems forever.
    Sure I can...


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    So, I don't know what to tell you. Might as well not even make a topic about this if you're not going to purchase it.
    It's worth the discussion and for those who are thinking about buying both systems. Plus, these are just speculations for now. As it was stated before, both companies may change their policies. Don't underestimate the consumer masses, especially gamers. They'll make their voices heard. So yeah, meh whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadmasteR View Post
    Don't underestimate the consumer masses, especially gamers
    You think companies give a crap about the consumer masses? If they did games wouldn't be coming out with a constant connection now

    *plays single player Diablo 3*

    Oh wait..

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    Quote Originally Posted by strtfghtr View Post
    PC games have been using a one-off can't sell used copies for quite a while now and PC game sales have in fact INCREASED over the past few years. There's the good way to do DRM (most Steam games) and the bad way (most EA games), but the bottom line is online DRM is going to happen though I think a constant connection is really unnecessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DMHead777 View Post
    *plays single player Diablo 3*

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    Long story short..

    DRM is here to stay. Technology is always improving, so it's pointless to complain about it. You'll have to get used to it eventually. Like it or not. You can play your old games as much as you want, but there will be a time where you want to get something new. You are prolonging the inevitable. You can complain about it as much as you want now, but when you do purchase the new 720 and PS4 I'm going to refer back to this thread and laugh and laugh. There is only a certain amount of time you can play Gears of War 4 when you know people are enjoying Gears of War 5 on the new Xbox.

    You know why?

    Because people will buy the new systems because they like change. This is the longest we have had with no new console. These new systems are going to be beasts. (Obviously I love my PC more), but for the "regular" gamers out there, they are going to mop this stuff up. You will never be able to win in this war because more people are just going to settle and go with the flow. Go against the grain as much as you like. Complain and act all cool because you think 'ALWAYZ ONLINE PLAY SUCKZ!!', but I think you should grow up and realize we are in the age of technology. You are a die hard phone enthusiast yet complaining about a new console since seven years ago. New phones come out every year and it seems you are more open to them, even though they get more and more useless.

    Bit I digress.

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    - You don't have to wait for the game to install in order to play, you can play as it is installing.
    - Doesn't the Wii have a constant connection? That thing updates on the fly all the time.
    - The down side to the constant connection is obviously the issue with used games and the monitoring.
    - The Nextbox and PS4 will be nearly identical when all is said and done, just like the 360 and PS3.
    - My main concern is MS not concentrating enough on games and more on a media hub, even more so now they have their own TV app.
    - EVERYTHING for MS's next console is pure speculation and leaked rumors. Until MS shows what they have we can play the guessing game all day long and be 100% wrong in the end. Why would you pay for an app like Netflix and also have to pay an online subscription fee for LIVE in order to use it. Especially when almost every wireless device has apps such as Netflix available at no additional cost at all.

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    I wonder how the Xbox 720 will do the XBL fee then. If it requires a constant internet connection then I don't see the point of paying for Xbox Live considering it's part of the system at that point.

    And you're right, the Wii U does require a connection I believe. That thing is doing pretty well last time I checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMHead777 View Post
    And you're right, the Wii U does require a connection I believe. That thing is doing pretty well last time I checked.
    No it doesn't, you can play games offline my roommate has one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strtfghtr View Post
    No it doesn't, you can play games offline my roommate has one.
    Correct it doesn't require one but out of the box it is set up to always be connected. I was actually speaking of the original Wii. You know how many times my daughters console would be glowing blue because it was detecting updates? It's kinda cool for system updates, just set it to update in the middle of the night whenever it detects one and no worries.

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    Meh.

    The last generation and a half was the start of catering to trolls in online gaming. This new generation accompanied with these new policies will more or less force the consumer to play with friends only or people they generally want to avoid.

    Singleplayer is clearly a dying art of consoles from two generations ago, maybe even three.

    Especially with shooters completely dominating, and saturating the market. You don't even need to be innovative anymore.

    Just call it...

    Call of Battlefield Zombies 6: Chrome Ops 5

    And it will sell like hot cakes.

    Platformers are next but at least they still hold some value. Every other genre is pushed to the back burner, and even some of them have given into the casual/online cesspool market.

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    Came across someone with an interesting idea.

    "If I worked for Microsoft, I would propose building a digital used game marketplace. Allow consumers to set whatever prices they want, but build in transaction fees.

    Imagine the following:

    1. I can choose to sell my digital copy of Skryim for $30.00 and set up the entire transaction through my Xbox.
    2. Microsoft takes a 10% cut.
    3. Bethesda takes a 10% cut.
    4. I net $24.


    Then they could really get creative and offer a bonus for taking the net amount in Xbox points instead of cash. Give something like a 2.5% for choosing points over cash. Well would you look at that, I now have $24.75 worth of Xbox points which will be paid to another developer in the very near future. Microsoft made money. Bethesda made money AGAIN off a game that I already bought from them.

    And because it's digital, they could probably set up a restriction that you can't sell a game that you bought used. Basically, a digital game can only be resold once.

    Everybody wins.



    I always welcome new ideas like this...

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    I love my 360, had it since day 1 launch. Not the very same one of course, I am actually on my 7th console due to failures. Been a member of LIVE for 7 years as well. But the more and more I hear about the Nextbox I am becoming more certain I am ditching MS for Sony.

    The mandatory Kinect rumor is what is really killing it for me. MS came up with that gimmick and went from it being optional to now possibly being mandatory to operate the Nextbox. I refuse to have something like that shoved down my throat to use when I am 100% against it.

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    I'm on my second. I have the black Xbox with the wifi on it and it's just sick. I have put this bastard through hours of torture and it's still kicking.

    As for the mandatory Kinect..that is some BS. Maybe they should just implement the Kinect inside the system itself, so you don't have to purchase it separate. Then be able to turn Kinect on/off within the individual game settings.

    There Microsoft, I just saved a lot of headaches, now give me money.

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    Yeah number 7. I do a lot of gaming and torture my system, however 7 is excessive.

    As for mandatory Kinect, it will be included however the fact they are force feeding me a peripheral I want nothing to do with to operate their system is ridiculous. That is a deal breaker for me, even after all the money and time I have dedicated to their product in the past.

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    That makes two things I am curious about for the new system.

    Will there be an XBL fee if the system MUST be connected to the internet in order to play games?
    Will a Kinect be a mandatory peripheral or will they already include that in the price/system.

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