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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop2 View Post
    Just show us what all that training prepped John for dammit!
    I bet we don't see John much more in the film than we see in the trailer. This isn't about John, it's about Sarah. Something I missed in my assessment that doesn't change anything but makes Future John's decision to send yet another T800 back less arbitrary, but no less cliche now, is that Skynet sends another T1000 back, this time to the '80s to kill Reece at the downtown LA department store so that he can never save '80s Sarah from the T800 encounter at Tech Noir.

    So Future John sends a T800 back to Sarah's youth (and given that he's holding a bazooka or something when he rescues her, perhaps he's fighting off yet another Terminator in Child Sarah's past). That T800 saves her, becomes her Father Figure, trains her, and then fast forward to the '80s and Reece coming through, now she's prepared to save him. Everything from that point on is a flip of the script where she's saving Reece, erasing the events of the first and therefore second film. So then, perhaps, a trained Sarah and Reece can either prevent Cyberdyne from ever leading to Judgement Day, make a baby and then try to live happily ever after, or, stop Cyberdyne, make a baby, and train it to be the ultimate Future Badass because they can't stop Judgement Day and it's the only course of action in this never-ending game of checkers, not chess, with Future Skynet.

    So, not only does this wipe out the events of the first and best film in the franchise, which is sacrilege of JJ Abrams and George Lucas proportions, it's going to mean that the second and second best film in the franchise also doesn't take place. If you subscribe to the notion that history can be changed, the filmmakers are taking a dump on the series. Insultingly and with no due respect.

    It's less insulting if you see this as not really changing the past, just creating a new future in the multi-verse for Reece and Sarah, and it's all smooth and can still be viewed in a linear perception, because time is smooth and non-linear and it's only the limitations of our perception that means we move through time linearly and only see hints, through Relativity and Special Relativity, that time isn't linear. All we ever did or will do happens simultaneously and exists all at the same time and it's just our perception that sifts through this like the playhead on a VCR. This accounts for anomalies like precognition and allows for both the concept of free will and fate to be correct, depending on your point of view.

    If it's a multiverse then that Future John will always exist and from his perspective, Reece always dies, BUT, that John never saved Sarah with a T800. A different Future John has that memory and he too will always grow up in the aftermath of Judgement Day and do his thing. At some point, one of these Future Johns gives another version of his mother a different future, one where his father is saved from that fight with a T800 but he too will always have grown up in the aftermath of Judgement Day.

    "It messes with your head."

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    Maybe newly tough soldier Sarah will be too intimidating for Reece to make moves on thus never having Sex to conceive J.C.!!!!!

    Skynet sent the Daddy Terminator back, this was their plan all along.

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    I guess some stories are better left told than seen.

    Kyle Reese's story about John Connor and scenes from the future war in T1/T2 end up being better than anything that could be focused on in an actual film dedicated to it.

    Same idea with Vader. Obi Wan's story in New Hope (despite some fiction) ends being up a better in 30 seconds of time than what we got in 3 Prequel films based on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop2 View Post
    Maybe newly tough soldier Sarah will be too intimidating for Reece to make moves on thus never having Sex to conceive J.C.!!!!!
    She knows she has to get his sperm. Not that this series make much sense. Do they have to have sex at the same date/time to make sure J.C. is conceived? What if they do it on a different day and it's a different sperm that conceives her egg? Maybe then we will have Jane Connor instead..

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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop2 View Post
    Maybe newly tough soldier Sarah will be too intimidating for Reece to make moves on thus never having Sex to conceive J.C.!!!!!


    I guess we could get a new age sex scene between the two? Slightly Fem-domish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coker View Post


    I guess we could get a new age sex scene between the two? Slightly Fem-domish?
    The original had a bit of standard missionary finishing with woman on top. Is that not enough fem-domish?

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    Too bad Emilia Clarke has already put her foot down that she's not doing nude scenes anymore.

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    Pleasantly surprised and excited for this. Emilia looks great as Sarah Connor, even John Connor looks cool.

    My only complaint would be the guy they got for Kyle Reese, not feelin' it. They could have done better there I think.

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    Agreed. The Mother of Dragons looks dead on as Conner

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountOrlok View Post
    The original had a bit of standard missionary finishing with woman on top. Is that not enough fem-domish?
    True. I was thinking more in the "Me want Snoo snoo" category of female domination.

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    Last trailer it looked promising, now once again it is...poop.

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    Terminator: Salvation was rubbish, I hope they learned their lesson from it.

    I can even get behind T3 before Salvation, ugh.

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    The trailer during the Super Bowl looked pretty damn good.....will be interesting

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    I'm actually looking forward to this now. Can't be worse than that POS Terminator Salvation Sam 'Piece of wood' Worthington and Christian 'listen to my stupid Batman voice' Bale.

    I think out of all the Terminator movies, I'll either go for the original or Terminator 3. Terminator 2 is so overrated it's not funny.

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    New super spoilery trailer. This looks like crap, so I doubt anyone really cares. I do love me some Arnie though. Shame this looks terrible


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    Cameron needs to stop with those stupid fucking Avatard sequels and get this series back to the greatness it once used to be until T3 came out and every Terminator related things began to suck.

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    They might as well just release the whole movie online now after seeing that spoiler filled new trailer

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