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    Quote Originally Posted by strtfghtr View Post
    Friday the 13th - 1980

    Bay of Blood - 1971
    Black Christmas - 1974
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    Halloween - 1978
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    All of those are slashers and follow (for the most part) the slasher archetype and slasher tropes.
    Those aren't slashers. Horror films, yes. I keep telling you, Friday the 13th is mainly responsible for the slasher as we know it today.

    Bay of Blood - 1971 (Italian giallo)
    Black Christmas - 1974 (Canadian suspense thriller)
    The Town that Dreaded Sundown - 1976 ('based on true story')
    Schizo - 1976 (not a slasher)
    Halloween - 1978 (suspense thriller influenced by Italian films and Hitchcock)
    Tourist Trap - 1979 (Texas Chainsaw Massacre rip off)

    And if you've never seen Bay of Blood, you should watch it as some of the kills and setups from many slashers are directly ripped off (including the Kevin Bacon kill from F13)
    Yeah they ripped off a few kills, doesn't matter though. The plot is derivative from Halloween, the writer even admits this.

    Yes many slashers are influenced by various gialli and other murder/mystery films, but saying that Halloween isn't a slasher is like saying that The Girl Who Knew too Much isn't a giallo because it was so early (maybe the first) in the SUB-genre, or that Nosferatu (1922) isn't a vampire film because it was before Horror of Dracula (1958).
    Giallo predates giallo films. Giallo means 'yellow' in Italian. Yellow being the colour of the books they were based off.
    Vampire mythology obviously predates vampire films.

    Slashers are a movie genre, spawned by the popularity of Halloween and other films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountOrlok View Post
    Halloween is not a slasher movie either.
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    Slashers are a movie genre, spawned by the popularity of Halloween and other films.

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    There are a few reasons why I don't consider Halloween a slasher. Mainly because most slasher movies don't have a Loomis type character and they usually have much more blood and gore.

    But there's no real definitive answer. I only mentioned Friday the 13th because it fits the classic slasher archetype better, and was one of the first of its kind... I could also mention The Burning but that wasn't anywhere near as successful as Friday the 13th..

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    Quote Originally Posted by strtfghtr View Post
    I agree, but it's not uncommon to see someone argue it not being a slasher. The others listed are pretty much universally agreed on in terms of their "slasherhood"

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    Golden age of Slashers

    The time period when the slasher was at its height is often credited as the Golden Age of Slasher Films, a time-span between 1978-1984. The film that jumpstarted the Golden Age was John Carpenter's Halloween. That film's enormous success, and the subsequent success of Sean S. Cunningham's Friday the 13th in the spring of 1980 launched a slew of imitators, rip-offs, and riffs on the same theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountOrlok View Post
    Those aren't slashers. Horror films, yes. I keep telling you, Friday the 13th is mainly responsible for the slasher as we know it today.
    Just because you insist on it doesn't mean it's true. Did Friday the 13th influence other films? Of course. Is Friday the 13th a slasher? Of course. Was Friday influenced by Halloween? Of course. Is Halloween a slasher? Of course.
    Bay of Blood - 1971 (Italian giallo)
    Black Christmas - 1974 (Canadian suspense thriller)
    The Town that Dreaded Sundown - 1976 ('based on true story')
    Schizo - 1976 (not a slasher)
    Halloween - 1978 (suspense thriller influenced by Italian films and Hitchcock)
    Tourist Trap - 1979 (Texas Chainsaw Massacre rip off)
    Bay of Blood - Arguable, while it does come from Bava and has many elements of a giallo, it is at the same time often credited by critics and fans alike as being a precursor/leader of slashers in much the same way Black Sabbath (the band) was a precursor/leader of heavy metal.

    Black Christmas - no way you can argue this isn't a slasher regardless of you assigning a nonsense label of "suspense thriller", it has almost every archetype that makes up a slasher including many of the tropes like the "Final girl" and multiple killings only to find the bodies later.

    Town that Dreaded Sundown - "based on a true story"? that tells you nothing about a movie...it's a film where a masked maniac kills a bunch of townsfolk (mostly teens) in gruesome ways. It's a slasher based on a true story

    Schizoid - Oops this was my fault, I meant Schizoid not Schizo. I just watched this movie for the first time this year and it is a slasher that borrows some elements from gialli like showing the killer's gloves and keeping a decent "who-done-it" atmosphere going, but the movie is through and through a hearty slasher.

    Halloween - HA HA HA HA...a suspense thriller...you must be joking. A costumed killer stalks the young residents of a town and kills them in various ways especially if they're drinking or having sex and leaves one final girl to fend for herself against a seemingly unstoppable killing machine. Go ahead and guess what slasher movie I just described...I'll give you a hint...it could be one of literally hundreds.

    Tourist Trap - Absolutely influence by TCM(which some will argue is a slasher in itself), but unlike Texas its horror comes not from the exploitation tone or guttural feel the movie oozes, but from the individual kill set-pieces like any good slasher.
    Yeah they ripped off a few kills, doesn't matter though. The plot is derivative from Halloween, the writer even admits this.
    No one is arguing that Halloween didn't influence Friday. No one. Halloween is a slasher, Friday took many cues from it.
    Giallo predates giallo films. Giallo means 'yellow' in Italian. Yellow being the colour of the books they were based off.
    Vampire mythology obviously predates vampire films.

    Slashers are a movie genre, spawned by the popularity of Halloween and other films.
    I don't need a lesson in gialli from someone who doesn't know Halloween is a slasher. I'm quite familiar with them. Just like I'm familiar with slashers, of which has its own sub-sub-genres and influences, but no need to digress any further into your nonsensical vortex.

    This tangent has been fun though back to the topic at hand, I really want to see this movie and I look forward to the blu ray coming out

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    Ok, I get your point. Everything's a slasher. Who cares what has influenced and came before. Thirteen Women from 1932 is a slasher as well. Why not? Throw in Peeping Tom and Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho. Why not add the Hammer Dracula films since they introduced the idea of a killer who keeps dieing yet gets brought back to life for more sequels.



    Oh and btw, Michael Myers killing teens having sex/taking drugs was not intentional in terms of a morality statement. John Carpenter said so himself. You can check that in one of his interviews somewhere. And it wasn't the final girl who defeated Michael Myers at the end of Halloween, it was Loomis "I shot him six times!".

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    I think peeping tom is considered the first true slasher film......I read that somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacknslash View Post
    I think peeping tom is considered the first true slasher film......I read that somewhere
    The POV shots of the killer killing his victims came from that movie.. it didn't invent the POV shot, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkgod View Post
    Golden age of Slashers

    The time period when the slasher was at its height is often credited as the Golden Age of Slasher Films, a time-span between 1978-1984. The film that jumpstarted the Golden Age was John Carpenter's Halloween. That film's enormous success, and the subsequent success of Sean S. Cunningham's Friday the 13th in the spring of 1980 launched a slew of imitators, rip-offs, and riffs on the same theme.
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    At this point i dont even know the point Count is trying to make.
    You think Halloween is not a slasher? Okay. well good thing no one consults you on these things.
    Psychological thriller?
    Not the first slasher, thus not a slasher?
    POV originators now being brought in?

    And then of course, theres this brilliant mess.......
    Quote Originally Posted by DMHead777 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CountOrlok
    Halloween is not a slasher movie either.
    Quote Originally Posted by CountOrlok
    Slashers are a movie genre, spawned by the popularity of Halloween and other films.
    .... i dont even know what to do with that.

    ..... wtf.... You want to cover clowns and rats in movies and their relation to slashers while youre at it? Maybe we can talk about lens flare and how Halloween never used it.

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    I'm trying to make it as simple as I can, but I acknowledge that I fail sometimes...

    The point is to think outside the box. You can go with conventional thinking on this matter. It's easy, almost everyone does it.

    If you want to believe the author of The Slasher Movie Book (which was referenced on wikipedia). That is up to you. I have not read that book so I don't know how he qualifies his statements.

    I tried to look up the etymology of the term 'slasher'. Very old word that goes back hundreds of years at least. So, if anyone can find any reference such as news articles of the time that reference the term 'slasher' in relation to movies, that would be appreciated.

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    This is not a scientific theorem or business proposition. "Thinking outside of the box" makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravenewworld1 View Post
    This is not a scientific theorem
    Why not?

    That would make a great hypothesis, actually.

    That Halloween from 1978 is a slasher movie.

    Prove/disprove.

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    Orlok...please...for the love of all things holy....drop this.

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